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yes i've seen it, and i was impressed also, very good storyline and i find that it depicts well the internal organization of the armenian elite and how things really work in our country...the performances: some of them were good but others needed some improvement, but hey its a first in its kind, so we dont complaine, Khoren Levonyan's performance was outstanding, of course...

does anyone have an idea who's singing the song? theres no mention of names anywhere

aghzar, u said: "Gor Mkhitarian is no more "Armenian" music than those other guys are. He just happens to have better taste and copies American folk-rock instead of crap middle eastern pop music. " this right there is a double standard ur setting. why is it ok to copy american folk rock and its not for middle eastern pop? is that cuz u dnt enjoy middle eastern music? so no one should copy it ? is it because in ur head middle eastern music is low class, eventhough it is done way more professionally than alot of american pop? we cannot judge other cultures...and we cannot set double standards, if u want arm channels to stop playin middle eastern influenced music, then i say they should stop playin ALL TYPES of russian music, as well as ALL types of arabic music, italian music, french music, heck they should even stop playin gor mkhitaryan and ruben haxverdyan, whose music have ntohing to do with armenian music...we're left with not much eh... why dont americans have bullshit convos like this? ah shakira has arabic influences in her muisic, thats bad, were fighting the arabs theyre our enemies (in case u didnt notice im bein sarcastic, i dnt really believe in that) so we should ban shakira? this is the type of mentality were pursuing? and havent u noticed, this is the mentality that is responsible for armenian music lacking ANY type of danced music today: every new album that comes out of armenia is filled with boring ballads and slow love songs that all sound like each other; thats because our ppl has found a way to criticize the least oriental influence in the music, after all most of the danceable melodies that u can play at parties and clubs have a bit of that feel, its part of a transition period we have to go thru, we should use that touch (cuz it makes alot of ppl dance) to gradually introduce our own touch, or CREATE our own touch if we havent, and then we can take the oriental influence out once we have settled and achieved a desirable type of armenian music...american music has flourished so much because they lack the old-school mentality we pursue in our community

Anoushik, gamavor's point about the arabic and turkish music music isnt about arabic or turkish rabiz music, its about arabic or turkish music period...ok lets say we put aside turkish, what about the arabic? what is rabiz arabic music? it doesnt even exist, and i understand u said we can play non-rabiz russian music, so that means we can play non-rabiz arabic music too? what is that exactly? arabic music is arabic music, but i am sure that if horizon or any other arm channel played any arabic music, gamavor and many others would still criticize cuz we cannot get past the instant link that comes to our heads when we hear that music: arabic = muslim = turkish = enemy = bad = we shouldnt listen to it (and i add = censorship and double standards) i think its too shallow to convince ourselves that we have nationalistic emotions by ignoring and not listening to turkish music or arabic music...anyone who turly believes in music as an art is way beyond that...

actually i think ur wrong on this onw, in no ways am i protecting horizon, i dnt particularly enjoy their programming, but on the contrary, i find that they rarely play rabiz music on horizon tv except for the music shows, most of the time they play the same shushan petrosian or anna khachatryan clip over and over again, cuz since they avoid playin anythin that sounds slightly oriental, they dnt have alot of choices to choose from, heck they even censored aram asatryan many times... as for calling the channel and tashnags name, i find that lacks maturity, and u cannot generalize about a political party from the music that they play on their channel, no one understands that music is way over the political thing, so what if they play arabic (im not sayin tehy do, but so waht if they do?), im sure u wouldnt say the same if they played russian, cuz thats ok...u gotta realize alot of armenians grew up in arab countries and turkey, they are influenced by that, they enjoy that, u cant force ur taste on them sayin that u have a better taste than they do, thats against any kind of free speech principle (and we know the US is strong on that (!) )

wow im shocked at the welcome u gave Delala, Arpa...i mean, that song is just another popular song right now in armenia and its everywhere on tv, just because she posted the link she got the finger? i think thats kind of vulgar on ur part and not thought at all

listening to the shiker's remake of et ko sev acherov and namak namak, i couldnt help but realize how good yeghia sanosian's music was, and how much its taken for granted today in the armenian music industry... what do u think?

well why do u say that about her demeanor any experiences or stmhn?

why do you say that? i find that shushan petrosian is much more modest and humble than nune, and i find that her performances are a notch higher than anyone else in the current pop music scene...

and u think every armenian song that comes out should represent us very well? that is not realistic, i mean, half of the songs which were posted in this thread do not represent us...even the slow ballads from arame, for instance...nothin armneian in them, but its pop culture...pop culture is an international genre...if u can incorporate armenian themes in it then good, but i find that song had an armenian theme, or an oriental theme... if were just gona listen to armenian music that represents us well, then we'll be stuck with the old stuff everyone already listens to and there will be no progression...half the music that greeks make today is original songs that have a turkish theme, nothing greek about it, and yet these songs are well accepted, and they get worldwide recognition...

i personnaly like that song, i find the music video ok, but we need that kind of music, enough with the remakes, and enough with the stupid ballads and jazzy songs...someone would think armenia's in depression if they listen to our music...we gotta realize that fast music isnt just for weddings, we have no good dance music to play in clubs, like greeks and turks and arabs do..."tes" is a good one... as for ur post, i see where ur coming from, but ur post is filled with hypocritic remarks such as: first...sako"p a s h a" is turkish, and refers to turkish men... "menk hyenk.." and a few words later "DUMBO music"...and u say "meze hamar asank panner chee vayler"? but its ok to say dumbo music right? i know my remarks might seem irrelevant, but what im tryin to point out, is that the music video of "tes" is in no ways non-armenian, so we cant say that its embarrassing for us or that it makes us less armenian...but our words and language used in a non-appropriate fashion CAN make us less armenian...

i said im not going to write a reply but i couldnt resist... firtst of all, sry Revolution2 i dont know of any Armenchik fan clubs on the web... as for the rest, the guy didnt ask for ur opinion about armenchik, he asked if u knew of websites about him why is it that wnvr some1 asks us smthn about a singer we just jump on the opportunity to badmouth the singer if we dnt like them? im not a crazy fan of armenchik, i like him, but my reply has nothing to do with my liking or not, its just a matter of principles...im sure Revolution2 didnt wana know who liked him and who didnt...plz lets stop bashin singers when were not asked to express our opinions, and even if we are to, lets be respectful...for one armenchik might be the worse singer, but for another, ruben matevosyan could be on the same list... (i have nothing against either singers)

well that same beat can be applied to many armenain songs and yet theyre all written in 3/4-6/8...i hope ur not counting the fact that the variation of the beat changes, thats because i havent practiced on that beat for a while, so it took some time to get into the correct variation, but just like on keyboards u can choose a rhythm and it has like 2 or 4 variations, the ones im playing are variations of the same beat, as in the same time signature, except sometimes we hit the bass drum twice (with a slight pause in between) and the snare once, or the bass drum twice, the snare, the bass drum again then another snare, but both are the same time signature...or else the keyboard wouldnt accept it anyways, i dono if i explained it clearly...lol if i find time ill do the same thing with an armenian song which has a simple 3/4 beat ...

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yes i know lol, but thats only when there are actually different time signatures...when u can write all of them on the same time signature no one would complicate matters like that...i know in armenian too there are some scores which have different time signatures, but what u guys are proposing is to have 2 time signatures 3/8, then one 4/8, then one 5/8 (i think those are the numbers) and then back to 2 x 3/8, etc. when u change time signatures, normally its for small parts here an there, and theres no short distance pattern, however in our case all these fit on the same rhythm... check out the file i uploaded with the keyboard

actually i took the time to record the drum part with my keybaord, but i gotta warn u i did it manually cuz i dnt have to record a complex beat with the tempo and everthing, but im sure ull get the idea...im able to play the same thing over and over again and it always fits into the rhythm, and what im playing is a 3/4 or 6/8 slowed, depending on how u count it, basically a rhythm that is often used in armenian...and the song superimposes perfectly on it...i must say i didnt put any drums int he beginning because it is an intro just like an intro in any other song that starts without a drum or percussion part...and sry for the quality i didnt realize my keyboard volume was pretty high, but the quality isnt fantastic i didnt get the time to arrange it...last point, i did a small mistake somewher in the middle, its not that i fell off the beat, i was just distracted, otherwise it would perfectly suit the melody... heres the link: http://www.mediafire.com/?4e2yxcgbjdm

actually i dnt think its a complex measure like u said, i understand that the beat might sound weird, but pay attention to the pauses, they all fall at the same place, and thats at the end of the 3/4 time signature measure...in every song there are lags in the beat because of the fill ins...a fill in is not always in the same time signature as the main melody, however it is not written as a different time signature on a score, we just use silences n stuff to accomodate them...this is the same principle...the pauses are sometimes misplaced for an occidental score system, but to me it makes perfect sense to say this is a regular 3/4 or 6/8, or maybe even 3/8 rhythm... ill try to record a keyboard beat on top of it at the same time when i have time...or play the drum manuyally on the keyboard with the same beat to give u an idea, which is easier

but can u honestly imagine a score with 3 different time signatures on the same line and that on each line? for instance a 3+3+3+3 beat is written 12/8 or 12/4 depending on waht were counting with...i can ask my music teacher about it, but according to what i remember if u can write a time signature that applies to all the song then its that time signature, then u adjust where u want the bass notes to be...i dnt see the point of switching time signatures and thus making the whole measure complex, even though we can totally play the tune on a 3/4 or 6/8 rhythm on a keyboard...the keyboard plays the beat continuously and doesnt care where the basses are, and if were able to play this song on it, then it means its written on a 3/4 or 6/8 time signature, i didnt have time to actually try it with my keyboard, but i have the impression that it will work. i had an example in mind of a greek beat which was in fact a simple 4/4, however they played it in such a way that would make u think that its a totally crazy rhythm...unfortunately, i cant think of it right now, but ill try to get back to u on that

i agree that it doesnt feel like a traditional 3/4, but what im saying is if we were to have the score of this melody, the rhythm would simply be a 3/4...the place the notes are put, especially the bass notes gives u the feel that its another rhythm, but what im saying is u could play this song lets say on a keyboard if u put a 3/4 beat...it wont be written 15/x or smthn like that on the score... also if u hit at the beginning of each measure on a bass sound (try knocking on the table at the beginning of each measure) in a 3/4 fashion ull be totally in the beat

well i think ur combination of 3+3+4+5 is just a repetition of the 3/4 (5 measures): - the first 3/4 is ur first 3 - the second 3/4 is ur second 3 - ur 4+5 = 9, which is 3 times 3/4 i know that anatolian folk music has alot of crazy rhythms, such as the 10/8, 7/8, 12/8, but i really believe this one is a plain 3/4 in essence; of course, when u play a 3/4 u can have pauses and the same beat can be played in different ways...

yes i know, but they also use 3/4 alot; modern turkish music has abandoned that, but classical, folk and azeri music still uses it...i dono if someone can confirm if the one in the video is 3/4

that rhythm in fact is simply a 3/4 or slowed 6/8 (6/8 divided by 2), according to me...i havent reviewed my musical theory for a while now, i might be wrong, but i think its that, its the same rythm used in other armenian songs, such as "ashxarhum sirel em kez", "mi gyank enk menk aprum", etc

besides some armenians are centered only on a few singers and wtvr else u present to them is not worth them listening to it...and its funny most of these are focused either on harout or paul or spitakci hayko... according to me...if we send harout out there at eurovision we'll make fools of ourselves, no matter how much armenians like him ... we gotta be realistic just because we like someone doesnt mean that hes the best to represent us at an "international" compteition...what harout lacks is professionality in the musical sense...most of his msuic is improvized and singers like him have a hard time giving concerts, and rather prefer throwin dance parties...

hehe ... i guess we have different tastes, cuz i really didnt like andre's video...first i didnt like the song (mainly cuz of the maeningless lyrics...see other post about it), and second i dono why i cant stand seeing andre anywhere anymore...but i must admit i cant explain exactly why, so i guess my whole opinion is un-credible lol

they were no 1 on m club's top 10 video clips (eventhough that show is very corrupted and put up wtvr they like in their top 10)