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The reason I asked why you converted to Islam since Christian faithfulls say those exact same things except with different lables: "Christianity is the true path. Christianity is truly simply perfect. The Bible cannot but be God's word. Christianity has not only given a spiritual basis for followers, it has also ordered society and societal relations. If you look at life, and all the things that go on around you, you will find its explanation in the Bible. When you pray, you feel you are not alone. In short, finding Christ is the solution. To everything. Accepting Christ is, literally, submission to God." So now again my question, why Islam? If the same exact aspects of Islam that you have brought up can be (and are) said of Christianity, why did you pick Islam? Seems like both religions provide the same promises in the context of everything you have mentioned.

Sassun, why did you switch to Islam? And if it was because of your parents, why did they switch to Islam? What was in it for you (them)?

By the way, having thought about this a bit more, I have come to the conclusion that forbidding one "Xhozi xorovats" and "oghi" really goes against everything that means to be "Armenian".

I am converting to Arpaism Am I still Armenian?

Stop asking stupid questions. You know full well what it all has meant as you are avoiding the essense here and are trying to twists my words around. Again, WHY would Allah care how you wash your HANDS after having wiped your ass or passing gas or whatever else you might have done to have invalidated the hand washing. I think these are important questions to ask an Armenian don't you think? After all, we use toilet paper. How do the Vudu rules apply to us?

Yes, how could you?

Read previous posts Didn't say anything about washing private parts ... just washing hands. Calm down Your question has not been evaded.

I don't know to whom you are directing this post but I think I have answerd it in the opposite. I consider Muslim Armenians just as Armenian as Christian Armenians or Jewish Armenians (with the additional pun about the women being 1/2 human/Armenian after converting). However, I redicule the fact that anyone would "switch" faiths in this case. I also consider Islamic principles of degrading women and the barbaric acts used in defending it to be faaaaaaaar inferior to true Christian beliefs. That is why I will redicule it though I also redicule the rediculous aspects of Christianity (aka "believing" in the fairy tales of the Bible rather than the good morals thaught through them). Now it is obvious you expected to get some sort of angry response and want to desparately defend an Armenian's right to choose Islam. But I guess you didn't expect you would have to defend "Islam" first. Welcome back to Hyefoum indeed.

1. Are you serious? 2. Are you saying the wudu rules in Wikipedia are incorrect? Please explain why you are putting down the link to wiki in this case? Why would you feel sorry for someone who is bringing you a FACT (unless you dispute the wudu rules as being fact). 3. "Muslims are required to perform wudu in preparation for ritual prayers and for handling and reading the Qur'an" ... I think this is more than enough of a justficiation for my statement above. Do I have to explain more?

By the way, I just learned this one myself: Invalidation of wudu Theoretically, one can perform one wudu for fajr salaat and this wudu would be considered valid for the rest of the day. However, certain things invalidate the wudu (often referred to as "breaking wudu") and these can be stated generically thus: 1. Defecation, passing gas or urination. Well there goes the wudu of pretty much 95% of the men about 30 seconds after performing their wudu. I can just picture them all trying to hold it in before prayer is over. No wonder they want to blow up the world. Ok sorry about my rediculous state in this thread and I appologize. But I just can't help with when I see people take such things so seriously and actually think it is some sort of divine rule worth killing over. Holding Gas? Baaaaaaaaaaahahaahahaha

For your enjoyment, please check this link mister Islamic expert How can you claim to know anything about Islam and not know about all the elaborate washing rules set forth by it?

I think the relevance is being Christian is Muslim in defining ones "Armenianness" is probably just as relevant as whether one wears briefs or boxers. In the end fo the day, people will do whatever makes them feel comfortable. As far as religion being "man-made", of course it is "man made". Why would Allah care how you wash your hands after wiping your ass with it? I mean come on.

I don' t know where you are getting your info but pretty much all cases of Islam conversion that I have seen among Armenians has had to do with Marriage. Maybe the kind of Islam they practice in Iran is a different Islam than you have in mind? But there is no way as far as I am aware that a Christian Armenian can marry a muslim in Iran without converting. Also, I highly doubt the Armenian Church (Orthodox) would allow a muslim to marry in their Church though admittedly, I am far from being an expert in such matters, including marriage. PS, as far as I am concerned, if a Christian Armenian doesn't marry in the Armenian Church, then by all practical purposes he or she has abandoned the Armenian Church as has "converted" to something else.

quote name='Azat' post='199498' date='May 25 2007, 12:20 AM']I am going for the blood test tomorrow Maral jan Yes all the best bud. Bayts yete hangarts asen "herika ed chepats shushi mushin yev banjareghene ... marmined xorovats pedk uni", shut asa! Yes u Movsese djare gidenk

If it's a man, I'll still consider them an Armenian. If it's a woman, I'll consider them 1/2 an Armenian according to Islamic rules. But in true Armenian style, I'll make fun of their stupidity and put them down either way, any chance that I get. Of all the dumb ass things to do, why would anyone willingly convert to "Islam" beats me. I mean I understand a guy converting to Islam to get it on with a girl but I will never understand the desparation level required for a woman to convert to Islam to marry an Islamic man. Other than marriage, I can't see any other reason why ANYONE would convert religion ... hmmm I guess surviving in prison is another good reason but that's not really "converting" ... that's pretending.

Swelling in all the wrong places, eh?

http://www.seapahn.us/misc/boat/boat_tow1.jpg http://www.seapahn.us/misc/boat/boat_tow2.jpg http://www.seapahn.us/misc/boat/boat_tow3.jpg The cute little baby ... I call it Chuchunezumi

Hmmm ... I second thought, maybe it's not a bad idea to give a big boost to Armenian population. Let's get to work fellas!!!!

My brother is a very smart kid. Probably much smarter than I am. He also happens to be 10 years younger than me ... he too was starting to hang out with some very shady characters who may or may not have enticed him to do stupid things. But my brother had something that those poor idiots didn't have ... me There is no doubt we need good people to step up and be role models. Most kids that I see just do drugs and stupid things because they have nothing better to do. They have no hope. They have no self respect. They see all the crap going on in the world and just think to themselves "what's the point" ... that slowly leads to a vicious cycle of self destructive behavior and after a certain point they just can't recover from it. As far as the Armenian community as a whole in California, kids doing drugs is the least of the problems. I am often disgusted at the crap we do. Everyone and everything seems to be revolving around somehow defrauding the system, doing shady things, cheating taxes, insurance scams, embezzling money from others, etc etc. Basically to be honest, I just think in this respect, our commnity as a whole is really stupid. They carry their corrupt post-soviet Armenia mentality over to the states and think they can just go on keeping their old modus operandi. I don't think the Church is the solution. I don't think political leaders are the solution. We need good families and good parents. Parents that like my parents will make their kids the central thing in their life. I know I would never be able to do that so that's why I'm never having kids. Unfortunately, not everyone is as smart as me so this is going to get worse ... much worse.

He's just scared his relatives are going to try to fix him up with you femme

Wait I don't understant the whole confusion here ... is it really a surprise that there are prostitutes? Or it is a surprise that there are Armenian prostitutes? or Is it a surprise that link to smut like that here gets deleted? In any of those cases, I don't think it's anything to get surprised about. That's just how things are. And I doubt anyone here needs "education" or "educational links" in such matters Edit: Well, except maybe Mosjan.

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/pics/Feedback_Muslim_Woman_Defends_Oppression/Muslim_family_photo.jpg The latest Spring Calendar Photoshoot ...

take off that scarf

OMG you read my mind.

I take it the dealer didn't want it?