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Հայրիկ, մայրիկ ու մեծ մամիկ/պապիկ: Ամէնքն ալ ունին մեծ գաղտնիք . Տեսնելու Հայր Բարսեղ նիք նիք. Ծխանեն վար գալու գաղտնիք: Is the reason why it is “Sirats HAYRIK@s” , not “anoushik MAYRIK@s”, because it is sung by Mayriks, not by Hayriks? SEXIST!!! How many fathers sing "Qoun eghir balas"? ---- Now we proceed to ՄԱՅՐ http://virtualani.homestead.com/files/MotherArmenia_Armenian_legends_and_poems.jpg Compare. ՄԱՅՐ ՀԱՅԱՍՏԱՆ - Mother Armenia http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b9/Mother_Armenia,_Yerevan,_Day.jpg Mamma; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMfpiIkBacc Who knows the lyrics of this song, Merik Merik? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dB1j53dOI0&feature=related Mayr Araksi --- Let us invoke “Ave Maria, Mater Dei”, Ողջոյն քեզ Մարիամ Մայր Աստուծոյ We skip the Sanskrit, etc. … Advance to the Eng “mother” and the German “mutter”. How does the T in “mater” turn to Յ /Y in Armenian? We’ll let Johannes answer that. In the Arabic “mother” is “um”, and “my mother" is “ummi“. I was flabbergasted when my neighbor adopted a second child/girl from Korea who was old enough to kind of speak. When she cried she would invoke “ummi, ummi”. As always, the word is “baby talk”. Have you noticed the sound of a baby sucking at the breast? Yes, we know, in the Armenian that sound is interpreted as “ծիծ/ ծծիկ/ծծել/ծիծիկ/to suck”, and in other languages it is known as “tit/teat/tittie”. **Have you noticed why in the Armenian and others, food/eat in baby talk is called “mam/ham”? Have you wondered why the breast, the natural milk bottle is known as the “mammary gland”?” Utter/Udder mammogram? http://finickypenguin.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/udder.jpg ** That “great philosopher P. T. Barnum said “ A ‘sucker’ is born every minute”. How come in the Armenian a “sucker/idiot” is not known as “ծծան” ? PS. Have you noticed that I have been trying, perhaps in vain, to “sucker in”, invoke our language geek friends like Johannes and Nairi who know our language and beyond. Please! All “rabiz/rubbish” aficioanado’s save your precious pearls for other topics. Have you ever wondered that the Armenian “ՄԻՏ” and the Anglo-Latin “mind” may have a connection?

We are still spinning our wheels. ---- ՀԱՅՐԻԿ is the diminutive endearing version , just like “daddy” is the endearing of “dad“. As in this Nursery rhyme- Twirling the hands in circles, rubbing the stomach and pretend to peek. Կլորիկ, կլորիկ շաքար հաց Փորիկըս անօթի մնաց: Երթամ նայիմ պատուհանէն, Սիրած ՀԱՅՐԻԿըս ու՞ր մնաց: ----- Dedicated to Khrimian Hayrik Daddy of us all. ՀԱԱՅՐԻԿ, ՀԱՅՐԻԿ Words by N Salakhian , music- H Janikian (Խրիմեան Հայրիկին) Հայրի՛կ, Հայրի՛կ, քո հայրենիք Վասպուրական մեր աշխարհ, Վարդի փոխան քեզ փուշ բերաւ, Ցաւերդ դառան բիւր հազար: Մայիսն եկաւ սոխակներով, Վարդի թփիկ որոնեց, Փոխան թփի փշեր գտաւ, Լալահառաչ ձայն հանեց: Հայրիկն ասաց՝«Իմ հայրենեաց Փուշն անուշ է քան զվարդ, Եւ այն փշոց մէջը դարձեալ Կ՚որոնեմ ես սիրուն վարդ: «Այն սայրասուր փշերն ամէն, Փունջ կապեցէք շար ի շար Թողէք գլխիս պսակ կապեն Որուն ճակատս է յօժար Հայրիկ, Հայրիկ , քո սուրբ ճակատ, Արիւն, արցունք են ոհ միշտ, Փթթեալ վարդիցկարմիր թերթեր Կը սպասեն փառոք զարդ: Որքան ստոր դաւեր լարեն Սեւակրինչ ագռաւներ, Չէ կարելի առծիւն իւր բարձր Դիրքիցն երկիր, վար բերել:

Among the many variants of “ՀԱՅՐ” like father, pater, peder etc. is the German “vater” (V in German sounds like F and W like V as in “Folksvagen“.. Be careful not to pronounce the E as EH/Ե, as our choirmaster would say “don’t pronounce like a german jew”. I sounds like the Armenian Ը/@.) See where the word “vater/father” is used. Another break for your enjoyment. See where the German “vater” is invoked. Yes, this is the kind of musice I listen to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnjHt18lb28&feature=related I had known the Brahms masterpiece quite well, but I did not know it was based on a poem by Goethe. See the last stanza. Do you see “balsam” in stanza 2? I didn’t know Goethe spoke Armenian “բալասան” He may not have spoken Armenian but we took one of his poems and turned it into a song- Փոքրիկ տղան մի վարդ տեսաւ** The Rhapsody is a setting of verses from Goethe's Harzreise im Winter. It was written in 1869 German original English translation ---- **Who knows this song? ---

Karvajar and Berdzor Էշ են տաղում Also note that the English of Esh/ԷՇ is ASS Here is what I said here; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=12030&pid=149276&st=20entry149276 --- Survey this map http://www.armsite.com/maps/ ---- Let me repeat what I said then. Under no circumstances must those canines be allow in between Armenia and Artsakh, Karvajar, Berdzor, and for that matter between Artsakh and Iran ---- And now, once a gain those puppies are talking about “occupied territories”. They’re’ looking to have their asseri donkeys/asses to be totally khorvel/grilled. http://snap.lbl.gov/2008_SNAPCollab_FNAL/pigroast1_789l.gif There is a Persian Armenian anecdote - “Էշ են տաղում/They’re branding ASSes-donkeys” that may best describe their dream. See #195, Aug. 16, 2009 here; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=17935&st=180 ----- --- Goran again.

In the Marash dialect Varadavar was also known as Vardivor**. At times it was known as “mendivar/mendivor “ (I don’t know why.) It was one of the major holidays with all the contingent (pagan) rites and celebrations, like going to places of waters, springs, rivers etc. dousing each other with water. All this was done on Saturday and on Sunday it was all moved to the church to observe the Transfiguration/ Պայծառակերպութիւն http://www.sourphagop.org/vartavar.jpg One of the highlights of the festivities was the Vijak, just like at Hambartsoum, where young girls would drop their charms in a bucket of water and draw one at a time reciting wishful poems. I remember one of them. Ախ մէնդիվառ, մէնդիվառ Մենդիվառի ժամեր կան Մենդիվառի եկողին Դրախտում հինգ բախտեր կան --- Ah mendivar, mendivar A time and place for it are All who take this enterprise Have five chance in paradise. -- ** We have already spoken about this, where the A turns to O as in la-tgha, la-tgho, la-to, la-o. PS. I have no idea why we name our children Vardavar/Vardivar./Vartavar/Vartivar. Google and see all the Vartivars and Vartivarians.

This Sunday July 11,2010 is Vardavar ---- ՍՈ'ՆԱ ՅԱ՜Ր Երաժշտությունը՝ Կոմիտասի Սո'նա յա՜ր, Սո'նա յա՜ր, Սո'նա սիրուն, Սո'նա յա՜ր, Վարդավառը գալիս ա, Սո'նա յա՜ր, Սո'նա յա՜ր, Ծաղիկը ցնծալիս ա, Սո'նա սիրուն, Սո'նա յա՜ր, Ա՜յ գյուլում կանչող աղջիկ, Սո'նա յա՜ր, Սո'նա յա՜ր, Ձենդ ծլվլալիս ա, Սո'նա սիրուն, Սո'նա յա՜ր: ---- http://www.report.am/IMAGE/vardv.jpg http://i29.tinypic.com/2a9r5lt.jpg http://tesankyun.do.am/img_9_vardavar.jpg http://ankakh.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/site012.jpg Related Water, water. http://www.zhamanak.com/2008/6/28/a-9668-b.jpg http://www.armenianow.com/sites/default/files/img/imagecache/600x400/ff_14.jpg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB1IvbBR0k4 And a related story? Someone please throw a pail of water on her !!! http://www.armenianow.com/sites/default/files/img/imagecache/600x400/MHM50097-copy.jpg http://www.armenianow.com/social/24088/hot_summer_in_armenia

Please don’t let me get off track. We will get back,. ONE at a TIME. Only after we have exhausted the etymology of HAYR and MAYR. -- Yes, Dear Louise. Where are all our linguists? That is exactly my point. In time we will come to each and every one of those words Yes we do have specific words for some of our relatives. The best of them may be “keri/քեռի”. Even though we use it to mean the mother’s brother, it in fact means the husband of a sister , Quyr/Քոյր. All of the words like moreghbayr/mobar horeghbayr /hobar**, horaquyr/hoqqour, moraquyr/moqqour are more specific than the generic “uncl” and “aunt” etc, are not native Armenian words. They are artificially compounded and composed. There are so many linguists here. Pleas tell me. What has bothered me all this time . What is the Armenian word for “cousin/cousine”? Please tell us the Armenian words of the above list, aside from the obvious? Yes, yes. I know. The artificially composed “horeghborordi/moreghborordi/tgha, horaqroch/monarqroch aghjik. Why are we so xenophobic/այլատեաց fratrophobic /եղբայրատեաց that we don’t even have native names/words for the children our brothers, sisters, aunts and uncles? **When our mothers and fathers teach their children to call their father’s brother (Arabic)“ammi/ammo” and the brother their mother (furkish) “dayi/ (childish)dayday”. ***What is wrong with “hobar” and “mobar”? *** Ammian and Dayian are Armenian(?) surnames (I personally know a few of them)? What’s wrong with “hobarian” and “kerian”? Hi Ed/Keri!! I am an uncle, a brother of the father, and the brother of the mother, but I hate it when some will introduce me as “ammo”(Arabic/Kurdish) or (furkish)“dayi/dayday”. How difficult is it to recite “hobar” or “mobar”?

Merik merik/ Mayrik, mayrik. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dB1j53dOI0&feature=related Please pardon me. Most of the below is in furkish. Why is this under this thread. Shoot me if you will Please click on may versions of the same song. Marashdan bir khaber geldi (News arrived from Marash) . I have listened closely to see what that “news” is. All sung to the tune of Merik Merik. Do they know what “merik//mayrik/mother means? There is also a version where it is lip synched with furkish words. You can see many versions of it at the side bars.

Thank you Ohan. That was very helpful. We will expand on each of them. Please don’t let me get me ahead of myself. We have not yet fully extended on Father/ՀԱՅՐ and Mother/ՄԱՅՐ In the meantime, a list of most all relatives. How many of these have Armenian counterparts? Who knows them? Note below, “mum” - “amerik” Merik Merik/Մերիկ մերիկ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dB1j53dOI0&feature=related Sorry. I couldn’t resist. Pleaae google “merik merik” and see how many furkish sites will respond He is one “antep havsi” Sorry again. Johannes սա խզակը** ճանաչում ես? ** In Marash vernacular խզակ/ խոզիկ/piglet is a nickname for furkish girls just as լակոտ/լէկիւտ/lakot is applied to boys. (dear mods, if you deem this is off topic and offensive, please remove it. It is only to show how those dogs have stolen our music, without even knowing the meaning of “merik/mayrik“) ----- Members of a Family father dad mother mum , mummy , mom (amerik.) parent parents child children son daughter ɔ brother sister grandfather granddad , grandpa grandmother grandma , granny grandson granddaughter ɔ grandchild uncle aunt cousin nephew niece boyfriend ɔ girlfriend fiancé fiancée bride groom, bridegroom wife husband spouse father-in-law ɔ mother-in-law parents-in-law son-in-law daughter-in-law brother-in-law sister-in-law godfather godmother godson goddaughter Godchild

Yes indeed Yervant. "shove it up her...." What did she think Tsitsernakaberd is? Some kind of zoo, a tourist attraction? Just like that so called church at Aghtamar.

As always an excellent find and a good article. Dear Aratta,thank you for the item, we love you and we appreciate your passion of posting very thought provoking articles. Have you seen this Subject Topic? http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=18730&st=0&p=62706&hl=archeology&fromsearch=1entry62706 Yes, of course the above article is a matter HISTORY, but “history” without the corroboartion of ARCHEOLGY would be mere “mythology”. Allow me to add. Archeology in Armenia has not even, if you would the pun/barakhagh has not even scratched the surface. Aside from identifying a pile of rocks as a "church".

What do think? Did anyone here hear or see even a blurb about Ms. Hillary’s visit of Armenia? I have seen blurbs about her visit to baku and Tiflis, but not even a mention of the A word. Even when it was announced that she would be visiting the three South Caucases countries the A word was not mentioned. Who controls the news media CNN or TNN? ----- The photo in question of the Near East Relief Orphanage in Gumri; http://blogian.hayastan.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/archive/gallery_13717_4_24830.jpg http://www.armenianow.com/commentary/analysis/24028/clinton_visit_armenian_genocide_memorial Analysis | 06.07.10 | 17:00 The Clinton Visit: “important symbolic act” or “missed opportunity”? By Gayane Abrahamyan ArmeniaNow reporter United States Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s brief visit to Armenia has sparked extended debate and discussion. Some are satisfied that Clinton visited the Tsitsernakaberd Genocide Memorial, however, there are still speculations: Why was it simply a private visit, why didn’t she enter the Genocide Museum, and finally, why didn’t she personally receive souvenirs presented by the director of the Genocide Museum-Institute? Hayk Demoyan, Director of the Armenian Genocide Museum-Institute in Yerevan, says that the visit of the US Secretary of State to Armenia is “a historical event in itself.” “Of course, we would like the visit to have another format, I mean, (an official) visit, within the framework of which both the visit to the museum and planting a fir-tree in the Memorial Alley would be included. However, even the private visit is extremely important and historical,” Demoyan told ArmeniaNow. Nevertheless, it was not possible to pass souvenirs personally to Clinton even at the private visit. According to Demoyan, a historical medal issued by the American Near East Relief Committee in early 1920s to award the organization’s employees for their work in Armenian and Middle Eastern orphanages was sent to Clinton even in the evening preceding her visit, because Clinton wanted to have a look at it. A photo, depicting Armenian orphans in the American orphanage in Alexandrapol (present-day Gyumri), where children stand to form a sentence: “America, we thank you,” was received on Clinton’s behalf by her bodyguards, as Demoyan says, “for security reasons.” Controversial opinions on Clinton’s visit are voiced in Diaspora. According to the Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA), it (visit) was “a missed opportunity” and “a step lacking a material movement,” whereas, the Armenian Assembly of America (AAA) highly appreciates Clinton’s overture. “Given the secrecy surrounding this visit, and the absence of any publicly released remarks – much less a full and formal statement recognizing the Armenian Genocide by the Secretary – it would seem at this point, sadly, that this visit, while holding certain special importance in its own right – does not represent material movement toward proper U.S. condemnation and commemoration of this crime. This visit truly was a missed opportunity for the Secretary and for America,” ANCA reported. Nevertheless, AAA thinks that Clinton’s visit “provides new impetus to affirmation efforts.” “This was an important symbolic act and is appreciated. It was not only consistent with her long-standing and public record, as well as America’s historical record acknowledging the Armenian Genocide, but also helps us in achieving universal recognition and justice," stated the Assembly's Chairman of the Board of Trustees Hirair Hovnanian. Even though the US Secretary of State’s visit to Armenia was private, it roused a great response in Turkey, too. Hurriyet Daily writes that the US Secretary of State’s visit to Tsitsernakaberd was “shocking.” The daily writes that Deputy Chairman of the Parliamentary Commission on Foreign Affairs of Erdogan-led Justice and Development Party (AKP), Mehmet Ceylan, said: “Hillary Clinton’s visit is unacceptable within the context of the suspended protocols. The visit is of grave concern.” Deniz Bolukbasi, member of the oppositionist Nationalist Movement Party (MHP), said that Clinton’s visit to Armenia was the responding step toward “the failure of the Armenian-Turkish protocols caused by the Erdogan-led party.” http://www.armenianow.com/commentary/analysis/24028/clinton_visit_armenian_genocide_memorial Copyright © 2002-2009 ArmeniaNow.com All rights reserved.

ՀԱՅՐ եւ ՄԱՅՐ PATER and MATER --- This topic was prompted by this question by Sebastia; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=28673&pid=273274&st=0entry273274 --- At this point I will only scratch the surface and let Johannes/Sebastia et al to expand. I would like to invite everyone to contribute. No input will be dismissed. Also use this thread to expand the subject to Armenian words for all relatives, brother, sister, niece, nephew, uncle, aunt…. and many more even those related by marriage like mother/father/daughter/son/ in law etc. Please. Let us take them one at a time and expand. --- Both ՀԱՅՐ and ՄԱՅՐ are native Armenian words going back PIE(Proto IndoEuropean/ՀՆԽ (Հնդեւրոպական Նախալեզու). They can be seen in many languages in one form or other, all the way from India to Iceland. This I find very interesting. Among many languages where orne or other letter may be added, dropped or altered, in some of the Balto-Slavic it turns to “atta”. AHA! Look how some people have added the word “ata” to their non-language. Look what they call their “father” of the republic. --- One more note. All these words and other seem to have arisen from “baby talk”. Why do children learn to recite “/dada/pap” before they learn to say “mama”? Once again. I initiated this topic, and promised to just “scratch” the surface. Let Johannes tell us what Ajarian says. --- Here maybe the best examples of “Pater” and “Mater” ---- Հայր Մեր- Pater Noster Ողջոյն Քեզ Մարիամ “Մայր Աստուծոյ Mater Dei”

AAH!!! SHE DID!! http://www.armenianow.com/news/23986/us_secretary_clinton_visits_armenian_genocide_memorial http://www.armenianow.com/sites/default/files/img/imagecache/600x400/clinton_tsitsernakaberd_genocide.jpg Photolure US Secretary Hillary Clinton, accompanied by US Ambassador to Armenia Marie Yovanovitch (left) and director of the Genocide Museum Hayk Demoyan, paid tribute to the victims of Armenian Genocide. By Gayane Abrahamyan ArmeniaNow repor Clinton at Tsitsernakaberd: Secretary makes “private” visit to memorial . United States Secretary of State Hillary Clinton spent only about 18 hours in Armenia, but it was a few minutes Monday mid-morning that took the spotlight of the brief visit for Armenians looking for intent in gesture. Clinton left Yerevan at about noon today for Tbilisi, Georgia, the final stop on a five-country diplomacy tour, but before leaving the Armenian capital she visited the Armenian Genocide Memorial where she laid roses at the Eternal Flame. It is not unusual for diplomats to include a visit to Tsitsernakaberd (the memorial), however speculation over whether Clinton would make the customary walk included debate over whether the simple act might also have a political subtext. Soon after Clinton went to Tsitsernakaberd, the US Embassy in Armenia put out a press release clarifying that Clinton’s visit was not official. Clinton attended the memorial in the company of US Ambassador Marie Yavonovitch and Director of the Genocide Museum-Institute Hayk Demoyan. No representative of the Armenian Government accompanied her. In summarizing the secretary’s 18-hour visit, the embassy said “. . . The Secretary also made a private visit to the Memorial at Tsitsernakaberd as a sign of respect for the 1.5 million Armenians who lost their lives in 1915.” A detail that is likely to draw speculation as Armenians look for any subtle sign, is that the sash across the wreath laid by Clinton identified it as “From Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton”. As a senator, Clinton was a staunch supporter of US resolutions recognizing the Genocide and promised to see legislation passed to that effect. But as Secretary of State, she has just as staunchly stood against the current House Resolution, saying that passing such legislation would hurt US relations in the region, specifically with Turkey. Following Clinton’s visit today, Giro Manoyan, Director of the International Secretariat of the Armenian Revolutionary Federation (Dashnaktsutyun) Bureau in Yerevan, told ArmeniaNow: "There seems to be some contradiction between what the US Embassy in Yerevan has announced about her visit to the Genocide Memorial and what's written on the wreath that she placed there. In any event, if Hillary R. Clinton did not visit the Armenian Genocide Memorial in her capacity as the US Secretary of State, then the US Secretary of State has insulted Armenia and the Armenians for not doing so. If, as the writing on the wreath says, she visited in her capacity as the US Secretary of State, then it either means that the Obama Administration has changed its policy and will agree to have the US House of Representatives pay its respect to the victims of the Armenian Genocide or the Secretary's visit to the Genocide Memorial is not an honest expression of respect.” Anticipated reaction from Ankara today will reveal whether Turkish officials see the secretary’s gesture as an affront to its denial of history for which the Genocide Memorial is a reminder

To me it seems like it is a misspell, I think it meamt to be Կարեւորութեան "importance". This is common since at times we don't know if it is կ/k,գ/g դ/d or տ/t ջ/j չ/ch ձ/dz ց/ts, and many more specially when eastern and western Armenians meet.

ՀԱՅԿԱԿԱՆ ՍՈՒՐՃ/Haykakan Sourj We have an otar hars in our clan who will shoot and kill you if you say “furkish kaffi”, she will not serve you until you recite “Haykakan Sourj”. ---- This is kind of a response to this; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=28701&pid=273043&st=0entry273043 See who introduced coffee to Europe, yet we clowns, just like at other times told the world that they were “furkish” , not to forget “yeghurt/yoghurt,” or the Armenian biscuit bread that we called it “akmak”. Akhmakh/fool/idiot indeed!!! http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=1629&st=0&p=118030&hl=akmak&fromsearch=1entry118030 ------ http://savvytraveler.publicradio.org/show/features/2001/20010330/feature2.shtml http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=4458&st=40 Հոմանիշներ - ՍՈՒՐՃ ( Արեմտահայերէն)* խահվէ, ղահվէ. սեւ ջուր** * Is the above saying that “sourj” is WA word? **This is interesting as we will see why. Արմատական Աճառեան(It is mainly conjecture) He intimates that “sev jour/սեւ ջուր” was a code word which eventually ended up as “ՍՈՒՐՃ/sourj”, like when the head of the household would ask the daughter or the servant to treat the guests with “black water/սեւ ջուր/ՍՈՒՐՋ/ՍՈՒՐՃ”.\ This is verrrry interrresting. Most other sources say “coffee” was named for the Ethiopian region known as “kaffa”. * I had known that word and that in the Arabic “bunni” means brown. Except that raw coffee beans are green http://www.metaefficient.com/images/green_coffee.jpg Only roasted coffee is brown. http://www.carbuyersnotebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/coffeebeans.jpg Ah!!! Here is what I never made the connection, Bunn Coffee maker;Except that raw coffee beans are green http://www.metaefficient.com/images/green_coffee.jpg Only roasted coffee is brown. http://www.carbuyersnotebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/coffeebeans.jpg Except that raw coffee beans are green http://www.metaefficient.com/images/green_coffee.jpg Only roasted coffee is brown. http://www.carbuyersnotebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/coffeebeans.jpg http://www.dvorsons.com/bunn/commercialproducts/images/CWTF_TC.jpg Armenians call this Srjep/Սրճեփ, the Arabs call it “rakweh” and others call itc “jezveh”. http://www.aldoukan.com/dk/images/food/IMG_8828-g.jpg We call this sourji gawath Demitasse- Sourji gawath/ Սուրճի Գաւաթ http://images.oneofakindantiques.com/5208_limoges_demitasse_cup_saucers_1.jpg http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B001B1AGCO/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=284507&s=kitche And this theyi gawath Թէյի Գաւաթ http://www.palletmastersworkshop.com/images/Teacup.gif And for added fun;. Is it “mi gavath shakar” or “mi dgal sourj”? ** Please note how they spell “eden” the name of the country we know as “Aden/Yemen”

OK, OK, let me spare you the trouble and embarrassment, let me say it first- I AM AN IDIOT I NO UNDERSTAND. Any one understand what is being said here? Are we saying that Western Armenian will be taught in Armenia? Is that like saying Western Armenian will be taught as a “foreign language”? Just like the suggestions that Eastern Armenian be taught at Diaspora schools. DUH!! And double DUHH!!! What is there in to be taught Eastern or Western Armenian!!?? Does it mean to teach the diasporans to learn Armenian and forget “tajkahayeren” , and teach the Yerevanites to learn Armenian rather than “russahayeren”? How about we teach our children real HAYEREN , forget all that nonsense of tajka, or russa.** And all this gobbledygook in the midst of the debate about Foreign language schools in Armenia. **Please read Johannes’ writings and tell us how much “tajka” Hayeren he speaks. You will see that he takes the best of the Languages of Varuzhan and Sevak and melds it into ONE UNIVERSAL ARMENIAN. OK, OK, here is the Hayhoyank of the day. WILL THOSE DAMN PRINTING HOUSES IN YEREVAN STOP BASTARDIZING THE “ORTHOGRAPHY“(VORTHOGRAPHY ) THE WAY VARUZHAN AND SEVAK(Ruben) ***WROTE!!! ***OK, some diasporan idiots transliterate his name as “rouPen”, and Varuzhan‘s name “Daniel” as “Taniel“.. Every time I pick up Grigor Zohrab’s masterpieces, and see the bastardized “orthography” I have to run to the bathroom to throw up! Did he write Լուռ ՑաՎեր or Լուր ՑաՒեր, ԾանՈթ ԴԵմքեր or ԾանՕթ ԴԷմքեր? Does Miss Hranoush speak Armiansky , or is her mother tongue russky? Yes, yes we know she speaks ermeni with every other word is կրթ ՈՃԱԽ ոճախ and գաղթ Օճախ . Are we speaking Armenian? Whose "armenian"? Is “ojakh” an Armenian word ? When did it become so? Speaking of teaching Western Armenian, she should read the likes of Varuzhan to see that the word for hearth /fireplace/կրակարան/ վարարան is “ԱԿՈՒԹ/akouth”. OJAKH up their big Armenian NOSES!!! Did you know that nowadays the City of Ani is superseded by a furkish village called "ojakhlu"? See my signature below. Paruyr Sevak wrote those lines over 50 years ago (1959), yet after all these years we are still talking about “tajka-hayeren and russ-ahayeren” Amot and http://www.mindiaspora.am/en/News/883

Այո Մովսէս, շատ հասկանալի է: Այդ բոլոր գործիքները եւ շատ ուրիշներ, դհոլ, ծնծղայ, թմբուկ եւլն բնաձայն անուններ ունին: Տես նաեւ սա գործիքները trumpet, trombone, cymbal, drum եւլն բոլորն ալ բնաձայն բառեր են: ---- Սիրելի Մովսէս, վստահ եմ դու հասկացար իմ պատգամը բայց անտեսեցիր ուր ես հսկայ հարցանշան զտեղեցի սա տեղ: Տես թէ ես ինչ ասի վերեւ, մի մեծ հարցական նշանով: ??? Հիմա աւելի հստակ ասեմ: ԴՈՒԴՈՒԿ բառը Հայերէն է : Նրանք մեզմէ են փոխ արել քանի իրանց լեզուով «դիւդիւկ» նշանակի սուլիչ, տես որեւէ ֆուրքերէն բառարան: Առաւել համացացնցում ասեն թէ նրանց փողը շինուի թութի փայտէն, իսկ միայն մերը ԾԻՐԱՆԻ փայտէ: In conclusion “duduk” is an Armenian word, they have borrowed it from us. Now it is our duty to show the world this fact.*** Let me post this from that mickey-media site where the writer, obviously an Armenian clearly says that the word is furkish. If we say so then what do we expect others to say? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duduk Se what this clown says.

WILL SHE WILL SHE NOT! http://news.am/pic/news/24121.jpg http://news.am/eng/news/24121.html July 04, 2010 | 18:25 U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has arrived in Yerevan. From the airport Clinton went to the meeting with RA President Serzh Sargsyan followed by a joint press conference with Armenian Foreign Minister Edward Nalbandian. On July 5 morning Clinton plans to meet with the representatives of the opposition and civil society. Thereafter Secretary of State will leave for Tbilisi. News from Armenia - NEWS.am Will She Will she Not! Reminds one the one time ad about Miss Clairol hair dye. “Only her hair dresser knows“; http://adage.com/century/people024.html Also remember the cliché “Beware of Greeks bearing gifts”. Now that she is flying in directly from baku, what kind of “gifts” is she bearing? Getting back to Will She Will She Not! Several items have expressed opinions about whether She will visit Tsitsernakabrd and place a wreath at the Monument commemorating the BIG G?

Congratulations. The fact that you spell your screen name with the B=Բ not P=Պ as an average diasporan would speaks well of you. You seem to be well versed in the subject, or in the least interested as a few of us, you may find the following thread interesting , and add your your wisdom. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=14306 Ps. It is time that WE Armenians deepen in these matters rather than mouth what disinterested third parties like Germans, French, Latins and Russians have said. Aramazt mi arastse! those other cursed armenophobe neighbors of ours. Yes. If one reads the biblical mention of Ararat, one will see that it says "On the mountainS (plural) of Ararat". ***The paper copy spells it as ԱրարաԴ, while the other above spells it as ԱրարաՏ. No wonder we are such a confused lot!!

Dear Sebastia, you're basing your assumption solely on the English diphthong as in “faTHer/moTHer”. It is not TH it is T as in “paTer/maTer“. It is much deeper and wider than that which deserves its own consideration. I may delve into it under another topic. Yes, pater becomes hayr and mater -mayr, we will se why

Dear Ed, I did not start this aspect of the thread. Look above and see who started the “kardASSian” sideline. As to the world cup, I could care less when Zimbabwe is playing the Zululand. Where is Ararat (Armenia), and Dynamo( Russia).. Few here may remember the days when the biggest excitement would be when Ararat played Dynamo, where, as a rule, more often than not Ararat would always kick their a*s. === http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/cwl/lowres/cwln214l.jpg === It seems nowadays they are both "kicking" the bottle, rather than the "butt". Ararat is kicking this. http://armflorist.com/images/cognac/ararat_3.jpg and Dynamo this http://www.hobisef.com/hobisef/wp-content/uploads//smirnoff-vodka.jpg to know where their foot is from their v***k.

Beauty is in the aye-ss of the beholder. Here Yervant, this is special for you . I have long passed the stage of judging beauty by boobies and boodies. Butt-meter? http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/06/30/amd_kk.jpg http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2010/06/30/2010-06-30_kim_kardashian_gets_her_behind_measured_for_madame_tussauds_wax_figure_in_new_yo.html

Why would I be a "born again"? Is it not enough that I was born ONCE as a Christian. Let those who were not be born again.