ThornyRose

Too long ago - the first money - to have anything to do with Turks, who appeared in Anatolia in the beginning of the past millenium!

Alright! I'm all for it! We'd have'em strip, too! Howzat?

Erh, sorry, not for me. Can't believe if I can't see it. LOL...

Goody!

quote:Originally posted by Kazza: I don't know about the rest of you, but some of these wives..doing all the cooking, cleaning, looking after the kids, running of the house...I'll tell you I wouldn't mind having a wife! Or if I ever get married, I'd like to get a house husband. That would be the life, don't you think ladies? LOL! Xlnt! I agree.

Lemme see if I remember correctly - the Lydians? (Hi!)

Unbalanced? I'm perfectly balanced, thank you very much. Yeah, I broke up with my boyfriend, but that was a long time ago. So?

Which leads me to ask... Is Agop Dilaçar there mentioned as "Martayan" or "Dilaçar"? Or would he not be added into "Ottoman"?

Places' names seem funny to me. Like Pretoria... Or - get this - my cousin has a colleague whose name is Berlin. Most people don't believe her when she introduces herself. "Oh yeah, funny - and I'm Frankfurt." LOL...

Gosh, Ali, there was some funny stuff in theonion.com - God finally giving a briefing - "You shall not kill - even in my name - I can't be any clearer than this, OK?" etc... LOL... But looks like it is not archived... Can't find it...

Here it is: http://network54.com/Realm/Arhavi/Orkhon10.jpg Looks like anything but a lion. You see Radloff's signature on the lower left, I think.

Much thanks, Ali! Actually, there WAS (or still is, but is at the brink of extinction) such a thing as a Siberian tiger, right? My thoughts of the lion's geography were rather up north, quite far from India... Now that I remembered, lemme see if I can fetch that photo... I think it was the last lion that was sited in 1971. Speaking of which, have you heard about that Turkish scientist or some such guy who says he saw one sometime ago recently somewheres? I think he works in TÜBİTAK... Nothing has been backed up since then, so I guess it was baloney.

Ah, but, Ali, it was so, ah, tempting!

quote:Originally posted by gamavor: Mehmet, I do not want to kill turks. I'm not bloodthirsty. I simply wish they were not existent. We love you, too, Gammy, baby. Myself, I simply wish you (you and only you - not all Armenians - no, not at all) would have to wear your shoes the other way for the rest of your life, your underwear would be pulled over your head, and that the flesh around your urinary tract would be stretched out and tied up in an ızbarço (is there an Italian word like sbarciare? I've found only sbarcare) knot. I don't need an atomic bomb for that.

quote:Originally posted by Aghtchik: We aren't animals to be judged, compared and sold as animals in a market place, or to be looked into the mouth to see who has the better bite. We are humans, not armenians or americans, but simply humans. I am what some of you call and odar, but I am human and a WOMAN.... WOMAN.... WOMAN.... Yay, whoooooooo! Way to go! But, Aghtchik, don't you think this comment of yours is a bit too heavy? I myself have used this "looking at the teeth of a horse"... It was with this Muslim fundamentalist Turk I know (here is his forum) from other boards... He made fun of me because I admitted to not being a "virgin" - said Turkish men wouldn't want to marry me or something because they cared about this. I only retorted by saying that I wouldn't go for someone of his own mentality and that there were plenty of Turkish men who are civilized enough to take me for what I am instead of looking up between my legs to see if my hymen is ruptured or not - hence the analogy with the ho'ses... I don't really see anything wrong in asking such a question as the above, because it is like asking "Which men are better in bed? Africans, Asians, or...?" 'Sides, the point here is that, when marrying, you are making a commitment with someone you feel close to. This can be anyone. Myself, I've never understood limiting oneself to an ethnicity... It's like blinding yourself - someone who shares much with you may not be someone from your own ethnic group. Ah, but, most often, what some dweebs are after are servants they can also dress up and carry around with them. They have to cook, sweep, wash, etc. That is what is meant by a "good wife" - otherwise, why would anyone look for such in a group? They would share the housework and the like if they really like the other. Maybe this can be clarified?

quote:Originally posted by Aghmug: Sarma is the grape leave dolma that is served as part of mezza. Also known as yalanchi. For us, dolma is made with meat, tomato sauce, rice and parsley and wrapped in cabbage (or stuffed into a bell pepper, tomato, etc). It's served hot as a main course. Mike Well - I think of all of them as dolma, served hot or cold (drenched in olive [<-- this is where the olive is, alright ] oil). Take, for instance, the ones we have with those bell peppers - they have the rice and a few herbs in them (like dill-weed)... If as a hot meal, there is minced meat added (and often times the place where the pepper is cored is capped with sliced tomato). If as cold, then there is not the meat - just the olive oil. I've had the eggplant variety of dolma hot - but never cold. (Have never tried.) At home (don't know about other Turkish families - and reading cook-books is not a habit of mine), "sarma" (fm "wrapping") is used mostly for the olive-oiled cabbage stuff. With the grape leaf (always called "dolma" if not "yaprak sarması" at home), we have it both ways, too - but I always prefer the olive-oiled stuff and not the hot one filled with minced meat that, in my opinion, doesn't really go well. I've never had the tomato variety...

quote:Originally posted by edward demian: Olive leaf dolma? I'm missing something here. The leaves of the olive tree are too thin to wrap anything in. Shoot - I meant to say "grape leaves" - I was too tired Friday and Saturday. Thanks for pointing it out. I seem to remember not being sure about something I was writing a while ago - this must have been it!

quote:Originally posted by MJ: Gotto fly! Wish me happy landing. Happy landing!

quote:Originally posted by MJ: Thorny, "Aslan" is not Armenian word. So what is lion in Armenian?

quote:Originally posted by khodja: Who needs Turks these last few years? Fellow Armenians are killing Armenians. LOL... "With Armenians like these, who needs Turks?" LOL...

quote:Originally posted by gamavor: Listen Mehmet, Your great-grandfather was lucky that I was not his contemporary. I would gladly shoot him. Yee haaaaaaaaa! Armenian cowboy...

So, "aslan" means "lion" in Armenian also. Maybe it is Armenian (or Farsi or other) anyway, because I doubt there were lions in Central Asia... I do, however, remember there being the statue of a beast somewhere around the whereabouts of those inscriptions in Mongolia... I don't remember what it was - will have a look to see if it was actually a lion! Lion is written as "aslan" or "arslan"... And it is funny that it's like writing "ass" or "arse" in English... LOL. It is used as a proper name by Turks, and Circassians (and perhaps 'most everyone else in the northern Caucasus) do, too, although I don't know if it is the same "aslan" (meaning-wise)... Aslan Maskhadov is a Chechen example. If the Circassians got it from Turks (either by migratory tribes or contact with the Ottomans), it wouldn't surprise me, because Circassians also used "Tengiz," the Turkish word for sea (deniz) as a proper name (before we in the republic made a move toward more Turkish names and less Farsi and Arabic)... I know about that name because I also read it in Fazyl Iskender's "Sandro of Chegem"... And Turkish was pretty much understood by the elderly there. It can also be the case that "aslan" is a Caucasian word (shared by Armenians and Circassians and who else) and the Turks got it from them. It seems more likely to me, almost. That said, it would seem odd that the earliest Turkish conquerors in Anatolia adapted the word so readily as to actually have names like Kılıçarslan and Alparslan. But... Where were we? Oh yes.

quote:Originally posted by MJ: No. It doesn't. Any Greek will tell you that it is a genuine Greek food, and will give you the translation for the word from Greek. Yeah, it is called "dolmadakia" but has no meaning - from a Greek.

One fast question - does "mashat" mean cemetery, grave-yard, etc., in Armenian? [ November 03, 2001: Message edited by: Thorny Rose ]

Aren't the best wives those that are happy?