ThornyRose

quote:Meanwhile, the Armenian Public TV reports that the Azeri representative, who was present at the session in Yerevan, blamed Armenia of unilateral revealing the problem. He said that the similar problem stands before Azerbaijan, which memorials of cultural heritage are being destroyed in Nagorny Artsax, and promised the participants of the session to represent the appropriate photo documents. EEOK Dipshit! What has he done to ask for the reciprocal?

Khodja, MJ does not think a/b is a buffoon. In fact, they are close friends (from what I gather)...

Winston, I agree more with MJ than I do with you. A racist is fundamentally nasty - however, neither a/b nor Steve are like that. And I agree with the observations bit... And neither get all prejudiced about anything.

OOOOOOOh my gooooooosh! No - I didn't see any such piles. But, isn't it a bit odd that the colour of the stone in the first picture is much lighter than the original stone overall, which is somewhat very light brown?

quote:Originally posted by Azat: Torture is common - yet look at what the U.S. is saying it is going to do now to make suspects talk. Thorny for those of us that do not know, what are they going to do? I've heard on news on TV here that they are going to torture mere suspects they think are responsible for or somehow involved in the Sept. 11 attacks. I've also read about it on other forums. And everybody and their cats and dogs were talking about it here the day it was made public.

LOL! Good, Azat!

Gotta go beddy-bye myself!

E-mail? I didn't send you e-mail, MJ.

Nope, I had meant this one: http://virtualani.homestead.com/files/db1.jpg The striking contrast on the walls are not new to me - I've seen the same and have provided pictures above.

I wonder, what about the quality of the works elsewhere? I haven't seen much outside Side. I also wonder if the choice of quality work (or who is going to qualify) depends on whether there are going to be a lot of tourists or not... Had it been like that in Aspendos (and was it restored by Turkish teams, by the way?), it would have caused an outrage of great magnitude... But, here, out in the wastelands of Eastern Turkey - daah... Who sees/notices anything (in Turkey or around the world)?

quote:Originally posted by khodja: Thorny, Gamavor is a girl! Is?

quote:Originally posted by Paul bunyan: hmmmmm, what I meant was which women were the most feminine, most sweetest, most beautiful, most mature, and most capable at housework, American, or Armenian women? All of the above except for the last one depends on the person. In some cultures, the kitchen really IS the woman's place. I'm not sure it is something to be proud of. Take the Japanese, for example - and even today, Japanese women are discouraged from seeking "heavy" professions.

quote:Originally posted by THOTH: Thorny, While I agree with you that Steve/BTC is not in the same category as those also mentioned - I must add that he has sometimes shown that he is very quick to flame away - and has - IMO - shown a racist (generalizing) attatude towards Armenians (and other Anatolians...Kurds come to mind) on occasion. I'm not sayig he has done anything to warrent banning or such - or even comparsion with the more lunkhead elements - in fact he is a great asset and contributor - but he is certainly no saint either. MJ is just taking another little dig - he really can't help himself (it seems)...I say we forgive him on this (and these) minor slights... Winston, is a/b racist/generalizing, too?

Kazza, the Turkish police are abusive, true... Torture is common - yet look at what the U.S. is saying it is going to do now to make suspects talk. But it is not by and large against its own people. It's not like an army - it has a flexibility of its own. And the people there are the same as myself or any other citizen. My younger cousin is married to a guy who used to work in the police force - he had been raised to be one from high school, onward, because it was the only way for him to get out of his world and get somewhere. He did get to eventually study at a university (management, I think). He admits that most of the geeks in there are from the lowest cut of our society - people with no brains but perhaps some physique (and not always that)... However, I do get angry when they (foreigners) talk about the police abusing citizens during protests. I have seen on TV the same being done in Germany, beating folks up with battons. I am not saying I am for it, but I also think some people are not in the position to talk. Additionally, I hadn't believed my father when he said it was usually the guys walking about that instigated the whole thing, until a few years ago, I saw on TV what it can be like. One cameraman was present at one protest, and the policemen were there with their barricades and everything. One of the protestors actually started the whole thing by pushing one of the cops and perhaps making a slur - his lips were moving. The policeman moved him back, but the guy's friends this time attacked him for daring to touch their friend. The whole thing grew like a grain around a nucleus. The whole thing turned pretty violent, totally out of control. It's not like I'm saying that the cops shouldn't have had better control over the situtation. But, under these circumstances, with such an ignorant population, this is what you get - IMO. Now, take Italy - the dweebs passed a law recently, reducing the Italian policeman's rights to a level below that of the ordinary citizen - that he is not allowed to protect himself from verbal or physical abuse. The protection here is not about not being allowed to run away - it is about his having to accept beatings if he is cornered or something, not allowed to fight it off. Another thing I have to say about torture: I am not totally against it. I am for it if the people involved are not suspects but proven terrorists or equivalent criminals. Anyone watched "Dirty Harry"? I don't care for a piece of shit's neurologic comfort if there are lives at stake. I don't say the same for "information" - the hierarchy of an illegal organization or what have you. My stance there is clear - it is only and only for human life. I know it is not sound or likely to get correct information from people who will, under the circumstances, say anything if you feel they are not telling enough - even if they have told everything they know - but then the "experts" can think for themselves. (Doesn't the lie-o-meter really not work?) I am against its use randomly, with women and children and elderly picked up from the street. If only the U.S. had said this earlier. Maybe even the good old Europe will get to use it if it ever comes to that, Europe being subjected to terrorism (except it will use scientific and healthier methods to be more "civilized"). Then I will laugh my butt off. I say this even though an innocent relative of mine (make that a cousin - daughter of my mother's cousin) had to "disappear" on her own will because of the police - and she was tortured often. That is why the "proven" aspect is important. However, until there can be a mechanism, bureaucratic or otherwise, set up to ensure a proper way to go about this, the world sucks with torture the way it is.

quote:Originally posted by MJ: Thorny, Nothing directly. Just the imporper conduct is imporper no matter how it is packaged. And just what is Steve's improper conduct supposed to be if it is competing with Jerky-vore's racist crap? I think that your trying to compare the two is a gross exaggeration - though "exaggeration" is not the right word. For there to be an exaggeration, there has to be at least a stump - and there's not! They aren't people that can be categorized together in any way, save for being humans.

What about my bringing up the controversy over Şerare Yetkin's work on Turkish carpets and whether some of them might indeed have more to do with Armenians than they might with Turks? Don't they mean anything to you?

Have been treating myself to boza (millet ale, it says on one site) for the past few days... The first time I tried it, I didn’t like it – that was two years ago, I think. I had found its flavour too sharp for my liking. I am/was not the only one who doesn’t enjoy it. Last Saturday, I got to see boza in bottles in a supermarket here. Thought it interesting, and got one. The flavour wasn’t sharp at all (someone later told me that it gets that way if left out in the cold or something – “soğuk yemiş” – so maybe it was my luck?). In fact, I liked its creaminess so much, I’ve been drinking a liter a day of this stuff. I’m thinking, maybe the “food additive” they list on the label is actually MSG and is the reason why I got nuts over the stuff? I’ll have to try it again at Akman Pastanesi (they prepare their own) sometime and see how it differs from commercially produced stuff. (Well, Akman’s is also commercially produced, I guess – but you know what I mean.) I remember asking my aunt that time, whether boza was Islamically OK to drink (whether it contained any traces of alcohol)... She had told me that she didn’t know, but that it was probably very little anyway and you had to drink so much to get drunk on it that you would have to burst first. So, its harms were negligible when you considered the benefits (good for the skin, she said she had been told)... I wonder, does it make you put on weight, too? It says it is an “energy house” or something on the label...

Did I tickle a nerve, Khodja? 80+ is VERY old in my eyes. I'm not saying life is over at age 40. Another thing that struck me odd about the man was that he was walking around with a T-shirt in November in Ankara. :-

quote:Originally posted by Kazza: If you think of it, Thorny , The Cat and Ali also train them. Thanks, guys. What? Who said that? I do?

Today, at school, I gave an old man (50-55 years of age) my seat on the bus. He didn’t understand why I had got up in the first place, and then saw me standing up past one bus stop, past the other, etc... Then asked me, “Did you get up for me?” I nodded, and he said, “Well, that’s the nice thing about getting old. Nice girls give you their seats.” LOL! Then the boy sitting next to him got off at another stop, and so I sat next to him. He told me that if I ever dropped by Indianapolis, he would be happy to give me his seat. LOL! He was lecturing at a university there.

And, of course, it is the Europeans' (and perhaps the whole world's - but Belgium and Germany keep coming to mind) "bad" not having raised their voices when all those you outlined (asking for visas, killing babies) happened but rather doing so when militants were perhaps pulled a bit too hard by the arm or something. "Human rights" - if only those who championed such, I could call humans myself.

quote:Originally posted by aurguplu: steve, we know of the deeds of the turkish commandos. all commandos everywhere have always been doing the same, that includes the serbian, russian, british, and american commandos. we know that they kill non-terrorists (not whomever they like) and put guns next to them. but the thing is when you kill such ones, you are unlikely to pose with their heads (just speculating). second, being paranoid does not mean you don't have enemies: one of my duties as a translation officer was listening to the med-tv (the pkk propaganda channel) and there they did not deny the things we have always accused them of doing. you do not live in a country where you experience everyday terror. i do. if in my country you stop buses, ask for "visas" to kurdistan, kill turkish civilians, poison city water mains, explode bombs in shopping malls, kill teachers in front of their wives, scalp the heads of my soldiers and PUT THEM ON and take pictures with them (have you seen these pictures? i have, and not in govt propaganda channels), kill two year old kurdish babies in their cradles, then i chase you to the ends of the earth, and when i get you (there is no if, i will get you), i do as i please with your head. and if people cannot accept this, they should first turn around and look at themselves and not support such organisations in the first place. the pkk had semi-official status in almost all of the eu until it turned around to shooting germans. if i am going to be called a barbarian for that, so be it. i couldn't care less. I have watched MedTV aka MedyaTV a few times when I've gone abroad for a couple of weeks at a time... And they have disgusted me. Total zombies. As for the above, I wish they didn't happen at all. Nobody has the right to say we can't fight against such agressors, true (only stuck-up-pig European MP's that wear the PKK's colours do - sod them for not wearing Circassian motifs [i think I said something about that somewhere a while ago] on the rims of their coats ); but I also think that such shouldn't happen. Those people above are sickos - not avengers. The same may happen with other countries' troops (let's see what happens in Afghanistan sometime), but I think we could have set an example by seeing to it that such acts do not occur. They cannot be justified. Thus, we would have prevented ours while the others wouldn't have, and we, "Turco-barbarians," would have had the right to scoff at them, "noble Europeans" - not they at us.

quote:Originally posted by MJ: Thorny, First, I am not obsessed with "Hovhanness," but rather the opposite. I can deduce who are you referring to in your comment above. I can also understand that he is the person who has provoked such attitude towards him. I am not happy about his stance. I don't know what is he trying to achieve or what is he trying to neutralize. I don't even know what he thinks he is being able to achieve. But the fact of the matter is that I know him personally, and I know him as a person. I know that he is a well educated, very informed and very reasonable person - a friend that one may enjoy to have. That's why I find myself in a very contradictory situation. It is always easier to "fight" a person who you don't know otherwise. I think the face that he has decided to put in this forum is totally irrational and unjustified. Perhaps he hates Turks. OK. Nothing new about it in the Armenian domain, right? Perhaps he has reasons to do so. If so, there is nothing I can do to change it. Maybe you can? Is your question why is he not banned from this forum? Perhaps for the same reason The Cat is not. MJ, what does this have to do with Steve (or Steve to do with "improper conduct" [obviously Jerky-vore's problem])? quote:Originally posted by MJ: Kazza, Everything you said before was your opinion to which obviously you are entitled. But the last post of yours is a misleading statement, simply put. People have been banned or have been at the brink of being banned in this forum for their conduct, not becasue of "saying things against other members' wishes."

I used to know a couple about men, Kazza. Will let you know if/when I remember.

quote:Originally posted by Kazza: OK, sick joke. Why did god give women legs? To get from the kitchen to the bedroom Very dry. Bleah.