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Achkneris luys !

Am I a fool for believeing it may end in our favor?

Exactly. Let us call their bluff...that is what we are waiting for!

I despise false sympathy ...

Something statrted.....

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this is my personal mantra; what i base every decision on. i do agree that Meschyan is a drug..addictive and destructive (emot.), so i take him in small doses but often.....

"Does poetry bring misery or misery brings poetry?" Maybe I am insane, for poetry gives to me hope, life, courage, laughter and peace within my soul. Even the saddest of poems has not brought me misery... but i understand how the misery can create such btfl writings.

Maybe the "emotionally unstable" poets were very much quite sane and normal (i don't like this word much ), and they naturally felt a need to explore the scariest and the most unknown facet of life: death. Maybe by attempting to analyze it, they were trying to underdtand it and get accostumed to the finality of it. We know so much regarding what happens to the body, but we cannot stop pondering if there isn't much else...a soul, and afterlife, a hell. I am not a poet. I do not write because I have to (like I have to read, like I have to breath or eat or sleep) but at a very early age in my life I wrote about my death. And it isn't coincidental that this occured right after my grandmother read Tumanyan's Maro to me. I don't know the actual title but it is the one wherein they..."psaketisn Maroyin, tvin choban Karoyin". I could not fathom at such an early age that a 13 yr old child can have such courage to end her life and it prompted me to examine my young life and imagine/write of a romanticized, tragic death....... I assure you, at that age I was not yet "emotionally unstable" i was quite unaffected by death...but it just shook me, and it became quite the topic of interest for me.

Arpa you are seldom wrong and are right once again! I very much agree wiht the following comment you made: "It may be a sad commentary that we are talking about death and thanatology, yet ironically, it seems some of our best and most lyrical works are about the subject." I think death is is such a grandios and mysterious a subject that it piques our interests and plays upon many emotions well above all other subjects. My favorite poetry is of death and the dying. Sadly, I am past the love mumbo jumbo...lol. I love the one by Teryan..beacause I personally reead so much longing to live between the lines of death. Maybe it is just my skewed interpretation of it....

Thank you, thank you so much Nairi. I have not come across either of those. They are beautiful.

Maral tantik....tell our hubby that at least the cake doesn't bite! Lol. So Edo Qerri thinks you prefer "kapiki pes" tghamard... please say it isn't so... But just in case you do like 'em hairy, this guy is willing to sub in for the "gay" * one. *Qerri jan, inchu es et sirun tghun anun k@pcnum...xo ira mexk@ chi vor perfect- a tsnvel?!?!?!

Happy Birthday Maral! Wishing all the best for you. Now, since I have been designated to get you your b-day gift, I was thinking that you would probably like a day at the spa; being pampered and taken care of for a few hours. Then I realized that it is your b-day, not mine and you might not like the spa experince as much as I do. So I sat here thinking, what would Maral enjoy most???? Then it came to me.... a woman of impeccable taste who happens to be a gourmet chef....I thought of the perfect gift! Please make plans accordingley.... gift # 2 will come over before midnight holding gift #1. Enjoy......

Just when you think you have seen all the weird stuff that the human brain can fabricate, along comes this.... I had no idea there was a demand for such an invention. Avo, I will refrain from asking how or why you found/ ran across this thing. Lol.

Indz tvac te Movses@ poxaberakan imastov er grel "et mek@ vstah qanzi vorsel em yeghnikner yes shat" . Misht uzum em hartsnel te etqan vor gnuma "fishing", chlini yerku votani dzuk brrneluya grum?????? I apologize in advance to Mos. Just kidding.....lol.

Vor Haruti grats@ kardatsi gites inch hishetsi? Anyone who took at least Psych 101 should be familiar with Freud's pen#$ envy theory. (For all others: Freud saud that all little girls are infatuated with their fathers, envy their mothers and want to have a male organ so that they can be like their daddys . I do not remember the whole thing well (since I disagree with his theory ), but I think it was along those lines. I have no desire to pee standing up. I would just like the freedoms and entitlements that comes with being the opposite sex.....interpret that as you will. Bayst Ani has a point; of all the reasons to envy men, I am amazed that peeing upright was the primary reason given.

I must say, this is my favorite piece from your collection. Lol. I may be a tad bit bias...lol. Thank you QUYRIK!

Random thoughts: Life is a series of encounters, meeting strangers, growing very close--inseperable, and evetually and perhaps fortunately drifting apart. With each stranger turned friend (?) taking a piece of you with them. So making new friends = losing pieces of self... what a trade off. Does financial security equate to moral bankruptcy? Is Bill Gates as philantropic as he appears? Is he trying to save his soul by donating large portions of wealth? Tomorrow....tomorrow...tomorrow...until one day you wake up and all your yesterdays have created your life, your chosen reality....... you walk a path..chosen unwillingly, unknowingly by the stranger that yesterday was you. And yet you must walk it..like it or not. Love kills slowly. -Ed Harrdy Unrequited love kills quickley and takes no prisoners. -Me Muys anqam tgha em uzum tsnvem...From my mouth to God's ears.

Seven year lease with option to buy?!?!?!?!? Lol. Glamorous politician wants law to allow 7-year itch By Madeline Chambers Fri Sep 21, 4:00 AM ET BERLIN (Reuters) - Bavaria's most glamorous politician -- a flame-haired motorcyclist who helped bring down state premier Edmund Stoiber -- has shocked the Catholic state in Germany by suggesting marriage should last just 7 years. Gabriele Pauli, who poses on her web site in motorcycle leathers, is standing for the leadership of Bavaria's Christian Social Union (CSU) -- sister party of Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservative Christian Democrats (CDU) -- in a vote next week. She told reporters at the launch of her campaign manifesto on Wednesday she wanted marriage to expire after seven years and accused the CSU, which promotes traditional family values, of nurturing ideals of marriage which are wide of the mark. "The basic approach is wrong ... many marriages last just because people believe they are safe," she told reporters. "My suggestion is that marriages expire after seven years." After that time, couples should either agree to extend their marriage or it should be automatically dissolved, she said. Fifty-year-old Pauli, twice divorced, is a maverick intent on shaking up her male-dominated and mainly Catholic party which has dominated Bavarian politics since World War Two. "This is about bringing ideas into the CSU and starting a discussion," she told German television on Thursday after she had unleashed a wave of criticism from other politicians. Former foe Stoiber said she did not belong in the CSU and European lawmaker Ingo Freidrich dismissed her views. "She is diametrically contradicting our Christian, ethical values," Freidrich said. Peter Ramsauer, head of the CSU in Germany's parliament, compared Pauli's ideas to "the dirt under your fingernails". Pauli, who attracted attention earlier this year when she posed for a magazine wearing long black latex gloves, was at the centre of a snooping scandal which eventually led to Stoiber, Bavarian premier for 14 years, saying he would stand down early. She said his office tried to obtain details about lovers and alcohol consumption to use against her. The CSU will elect Stoiber's successor as party head at a conference next week. He will be replaced as state premier in early October. Viewed as a party rebel, Pauli stands almost no chance of winning next week's vote. The contest has been fought mainly between Bavarian state economy minister Erwin Huber and German Consumer Minister Horst Seehofer. The popularity of Seehofer, a 58-year-old married father of three, has suffered from the disclosure that he had been having an affair with a younger woman who recently had his baby.

Ehh, jishtn asats yes hognel em char yev erku eresani mardkantsits. Ani, Movses, Anonymous, and Edo qerri jan, hatuk mek@ chka....bayts vat chi vor mard sents meshk uni. Xorrin shnorhakal yev shoyvats em! Hents mek@ indz neghi, dzez em dimelu....lol. Maral jan, to elaborate: What good is a starving artist who produces no work and neglects his children in the name of "finding" himself? Yervant jan, I think winning the lottery would entitle the person to proclaim themselves anything they wish to be..because in reality, money can buy almost anything in this day and age. Sushin gitenq, bayts et xetsgetinn@ incha?

Does talent excuse cruelty? Should genius override responsibility? Can one become a self-proclaimed "anything" overnight?

Arzhi, jutik jan, arzhi. Mi or yev@s aprecinq..tesar, etqanel vat cher. Lol. Inch cavaliya che et asatsvatsq@ "merrneliq chhi". Uremn etqanits avel spasel@ shat klini. Vay Astvats mez hamberuytun tur (u mi kich el pogh). What would I do w/o you? You have always been "...the wind beneath my wings..."

My turn to disagree. Just because the minority is dressing a certain way within the community does not mean that it is accepted or welcomed. THe community as a whole has not progressed as much as you would like to think they have. They are not adapting, they are merely "putting up" with the scene because they would not be able to live in the midst of Hollywood otherwise. And those girls who are sporting more revealing attire are not being supported; as Movses said prior, they are labeled "pchatsats". Why do you equate showing skin with being provocative? Are the 50/60/70 year-old grandmothers trying to be porocative when htey have half their bossoms showing at any given time? No, I forgot, we only pick and choose what is appropriate/ inappropriate as it suites our needs. God fobid we label our elders as being wrong. In fact, can't we say that since most of us have grown up seeing our tatikneri dosher@ half uncovered, we have grown desensitized to this showing of skin and therefore it is "natural" and not sexual or suggestive in any manner? So as I understand it, if it is pleasurable or attractive to look at, then it is wrong, provocative and diminishing and offensive to our culture, traditions, and values. I understand what you are trying to say with the hooker analogy, yet you are totally off with that example. I am cheating myself in a sense that I am not free to be who I am when among these people. I feel like I am putting on an act, dressing in certain costumes so that I may be accepted as the "right" type of character for this play. I whole heartedly agree with Nairi in the fact that our community does not value or accept anyone different from them. So if you want to fit in, you either: a) follow the pact or b ) dress as you wish but be kept at arms lenght and labeled according to their narrow beliefs. If I have to drasticly alter or refrain from regular habits in front of someone else to accomodate them, then I am compromising my ideals and myself and am not representing my true self to that person. If I have to present myself under false pretenses to you in order fo ryou to like me, am I not cheating myself as well as you? I can go on for pages about the false pretenses we live in to fit into the community. But I will spare you my rant. I don't know exactly who you associate with or what you see on a daily basis, but I can say from my experinces and views of our community that a lot of it is just pure B.S. There are so many outdated traditions and customs being upheld for the good of "keeeping Armenian face" that I feel we are discrediting the very fabric of what our forefathers were trying to keep. FOr the sake of God, at least when the entire wedding party is aware that the bride and groom have been getting it on for ages before the wedding, they can refrain form bringing "karmir xndzor/ achkalusank" to the brides family. Mtastumes u du kez hartsnum te ov e umin eshi tegh drel..... Seriously, lets try not place so much importance on the showing of some skin, God knows we have bigger fish to fry.

Mnal@, paykarel@, aveli shat xizaxutyun e pahanjum kan te “walking away”. Haregli en nranq voronq mi zam, mi or avel payqarum en (henc da e u haxtaharel@).

What is so wrong with seeing some skin? Anahid is making it seem as if these women are parading around in full frontal nudity. I can’t believe that the lower back and stomach area are offensive to some. I very well know that in our community (Armenians of L.A.) it is an issue; even though I was hoping that we would have progressed at a quicker pace. I personally choose not to dress this way in the presence of my community. Anoushik jan, it is not because I am a better person for doing so, it is actually because my people are so repressed that I have to alter myself in their presence so as to not make them uncomfortable. I do this consciously and intentionally because I want to be accepted by them; however, I feel as if I am cheating myself and compromising who I am. My issue with this is the right of choice, I don’t want to be restricted by a dress code. If I choose not to dress this way, it is my choice not to. How much police power will the gov’t be given? When will we wake up and realize that pretty soon, there will be no “personal” liberties? I would like to mention that I am refraining from answering Anahid’s posts directly since I know she will perceive anything I say as a personal insult to her. I will just point out that she is not the only mother on the forum, hence not all mothers feels as she does regarding this matter. And I am sure if Nairi were to get married and have a child, she would not change her views on much. And she’d be in her right not to. RE: Gap, I am too thin to fit into their clothes and I personally do not like the cut or wash of them.