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The Waltz of the Waltzes! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTxlmHHEbLo

I can't remember the name of the General who asked for permission to invade Turkey. But according to the sources he promised Stalin to invade and control Turkey within hours.

What happened? The moron has closed the forum? I can't post there. He thinks he is a journalist? He blames other users of beeing biased but he mainly uses denialist sources. He suggests people to do more research but he doesn't know crap about the issue. Then he bans people because he cant argument against the facts? Is he Canadian Journalist or a moron hired by turkish government to spread lies?

I heard in the news this morning that a major invasion from turks side to Iraq will be only after the Erdogan's trip to USA. Interesting what are his demands? Oh I shouldn't have asked that question we all already know what those demands are.

It is just too bad that an issue like Genocide is beeing used by politicians as a political card in a political poker game. They can hold it in their hands or "play" whenever the time is right. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/26/washingt....html?ref=world

If it doesn't pass then I guess the new one will have to go through the foreign affairs comitee again since it is going to be a "new" resolution. Just a guess...

femme333 I completly agree with you. I think pushing the vote back for a month and two is for our benefit. Turkey is playing diplomatic games for sure and who knows maybe Turkey's nerves will give up and they will start Iraqi invasion before the vote.

It is interesting how many times in the history Turkey escaped of total collapse or invasion. What do you think is it luck or carefully calculated steps from Turkey's side or maybe it's the patriotism? Let me list here some recent facts from the last century. 1. The World War I and the battle of Galipoli. The "Sick man of Europe" the ottoman empire fighting in two fronts against French, British and Australian armies on the west and Russian army on the east. It was on the verge of collapse but they won and founded the Kemalist turkey later on. Patriotism? 2. World War II: Turkey makes an alliance with Nazi Germany and they had to open second front over Caucasus if the Stalingrad was going to fall (but the plan failed after the leftovers of German 6th army with Fieldmarshal Paulus surrendered to Soviets). Soviets knew about the secret pact between Turkey and Nazi Germany and they have placed big military forces along the border with Turkey. According to some unofficial soruces the General in charge to the soviet military forces contacted Stalin (when Stalingrad was liberated and the soviet forces were advancing) and asked for permission to invade Turkey but he has got refused. Luck? 3. The Cuban Missle Crisis: It started after US has stationed some middle range ballistic missles in Turkey on the border with Soviets. Thanks god the tension ended in favor of peace but imagine if US invaded Cuba to neutralize soviet missles there what could happen in Turkey? Turks were refusing US to take the missles out of Turkey in the aftermath of the confrontation (what an idiocy). Calculation? I am sure there were more such situations in the past centuries when Turkey was about to fall apart but they have managed to avoid it. What is your opinion on this? Maybe we should learn lessons from this? It keeps growing and getting more strong even with Kurdish separatism and Cyprus problems. I wonder now what is going to happen with the Iraqi Kurds issue. Another lucky outcome? Just like in comedy movies...

hey I think it is time for you to stop provoking people in here and I mean stop posting your BS in this thread. Capito?

lol qavor@ inch GAZAN demqa bayc. Paps asum er "Geghacin vor qaghaqacia darnum 40 tari vric geghacu hota galis yev hakarak@ qaghaqacin vor geghacia darnum 40 tari vric qaghaqacu hota galis"

It's that simple.

So what do you propose? Invade turkey?!? What is your point again? Tell us please a better way to have turkey to recognize Armenian Genocide!

Hey I followed your comments in this thread. Seems like you are the only one to dispute the genocide recognition. What is not so clear for you about the res 106 ? What is your point? What are you trying to say? You dispute the conventional ways of genocide recognition but what do you suggest? If you don't have anything substantial to offer in our struggle for genocide recognition then please show us your avatar in other threads (like chit chat or humor). I am all for freedom of speech too. Remember you are free to express yourself but you are responsible for what you are saying. I won't question the facts and I won't let other cynics question the fact of armenian genocide too.

But if they move they should take with them everything they have invented, invested here.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CDXf_O8uvIM http://youtube.com/watch?v=ATD1FHKCbvc

I really hope for the full scale invasion from the turks to Iraq before the vote. That may change some flip flop's voices. But turks are not that stupid. Their diplomacy is the second in the world after british's.

Support Wanes in House for Genocide Vote http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/17/washingt...nd-cong.html?hp I see flip flop... P.S. I thought USA is the only super-power in this world. Bravo turkey, it can now dictate politics to US.

Tomorrow the turkey's parliament will give the "license to kill" to Erdogan. What's next? My guess is turkey will not do anything until the Resolution 106 vote in the house then it will proceed accordingly. What is your guess?

Very well said Domino. I will also add that Turkey always used to catch fish in dirty waters. Now it is a perfect time for them to realize their criminal plans. Armenian Genocide Resolution has nothing to do with Kurds and Iraq invasion.

The guy (Bruce Fein) is waste of time. Ahmenijad's type of moron. I would ignore him.

They have hired/forced chechen, polish, ukrainian, afgan, russian etc mercenaries against us but still lost the fight. But, now their defense spending is $1 billion ours is $180 million. So lets be realists and let's not underestimate the enemy.

From http://www.cornellcaspian.com/ Good research Domino! And this is the source for the BBC to write articles about Armenians and Armenian Genocide. http://www.cornellcaspian.com/whoweare/SC1.jpg Svante E. Cornell Executive Director Postal Address: CCC Head office Topeliusv. 15 SE-16761 Bromma, Sweden Tel. +1-202-663-7712 Tel. +46-70-744-0995 Fax. +1-253-550-4390 E-mail Svante E. Cornell is Executive Director of Cornell Caspian Consulting. He is the Editor of the Central Asia-Caucasus Analyst, a bi-weekly publication of the Central Asia-Caucasus Institute of The Johns Hopkins University's Nitze School of Advanced International Studies. He is also Research Director of the Silk Road Studies Program and Associate Professor of East European Studies at Uppsala University. In 2002-2003, he served Course Chair of the Caucasus Area Studies at the Foreign Service Institute, U.S. Department of State. His specialization is on conflicts, regional politics, and state-building in Southwest and Central Asia, especially the Caucasus. Cornell holds a Ph.D. in Peace and Conflict Studies from Uppsala University. His dissertation examined the role of territorial autonomy in the emergence of ethnic conflict in the South Caucasus, particularly Georgia. He also holds a B.Sc. with High Honor in International Relations from the Middle East Technical University in Ankara, Turkey. Prior to that, he obtained his Baccalaureat from the Lycee Charles de Gaulle in Ankara, Turkey. He has traveled widely in the region, participated in numerous international conferences on Eurasian affairs, and published numerous articles on conflicts and geopolitics of the Caspian basin, as well as two books. His research on the Caucasus was recognized in 1999 by the Behmenyar Institute of Law and Philosophy of the National Academy of Sciences of Azerbaijan, which awarded him an honorary doctoral degree. 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Sent. I will expect for an answer from them and will post it here. Thanks Domino! Very well concepted letter.

I have a feeling now that BBC is on the paycheck of turkish government. Now thy have an article about the genocides but they don't even mention our cause (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7043170.stm). On the other hand they still speak about the "unrests" armenians have caused in the international politics lately. But yesterday their lies about the armenian student from Yerevan denying genocide was even in the headline in google news.