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This is a true story lol. Now I understand why there is a sign in Hamburg's Sankt Pauli District (red light district) telling: No Women, No dogs ! Man marries bitch to beat curse http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/07/south_asia_enl_1194978757/img/1.jpg http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7093422.stm The "bride" wore a sari and a garland. Enlarge Image An Indian man has married a female dog, believing the union will help him atone for stoning two other dogs to death. P Selvakumar, 33, said he had been cursed since the killings, suffering paralysis and a loss of hearing. The wedding took place at a Hindu temple in Tamil Nadu state. The "bride" wore an orange sari with a flower garland and was fed a bun to celebrate. Superstitious people in rural India sometimes organise weddings to animals in the hope of warding off curses. 'Tried every cure' Crowds cheered the newly-weds at the end of the ceremony in Sivaganga district, about 50km (30 miles) east of the city of Madurai. The "bride", who is called Selvi, was led to the temple in Manamudurai wearing a sari before vows were exchanged in a traditional Hindu ceremony. A relative of the groom who attended the wedding said he hoped Mr Selvakumar would now be cured. "Fifteen years back Selvakumar was physically fit. But, once he attacked a pair of dogs and thereafter Kumar could not move his limbs freely," the relative, Ramu, told the BBC. "He tried every cure for his ailment but could not be rid of his disability. "On the advice of an astrologer and others, he decided to marry a bitch to get cured. Then we arranged Selvakumar's marriage with a bitch."

Ladies and Gentlemen, the showdown begins... http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/11/13/europe/turkey.php TUNCELI, Turkey: Four Turkish soldiers were killed Tuesday in clashes with guerrillas of the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, and Turkey sent hundreds of anti-terrorism special forces to the region bordering Iraq. Military sources said the special forces would join up to 100,000 Turkish troops near the border. Turkey has threatened an incursion into northern Iraq to root out PKK rebels who use mountains there as a base for attacks across the border. It was not clear whether the presence of the special forces in the provinces of Sirnak and Hakkari in southeast Turkey was linked to an offensive launched Tuesday against PKK rebels following clashes that left four soldiers dead. Troops, backed by tanks, attack helicopters and fighter jets, have been on standby for weeks in case the Turkish government authorizes an incursion. Washington and Baghdad oppose a major cross-border offensive, fearing it could destabilize northern Iraq and potentially threaten the wider region. Today in Europe Müntefering to quit as German vice chancellor Report describes abuses in Serbian state mental institutions EU moves to reduce aircraft emissions Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, under intense domestic pressure to act after some 50 soldiers were killed in recent weeks, has pledged to send troops into northern Iraq if such attacks from Iraq continue. The Web site for NTV, a Turkish news channel, reported that Erdogan told a meeting of his Justice and Development Party on Monday night that "a cross-border operation is approaching." The meeting was closed to the media. "This business needs to happen before winter conditions worsen," he was quoted as saying. "If we don't see concrete things from the other side, an operation is near," he said. The death of the four soldiers in Sirnak Province on Tuesday is likely to increase pressure on the government to authorize an operation, despite logistical difficulties as the weather closes in across the rugged, mountainous region. Security sources said nine others had been wounded in the Sirnak clashes, which lasted more than an hour. President Abdullah Gul sent a message to General Yasar Buyukanit, chief of the armed forces, conveying his condolences to the soldiers' families, the military and the Turkish public. They were the first casualties of the conflict on Turkish territory since last week, when one soldier and three PKK guerrillas were killed in clashes. Separately, the Kurdistan regional government in northern Iraq denied media reports that Turkish attack helicopters and warplanes seeking PKK rebels had bombed empty villages in the area Tuesday morning. CNN Turk and NTV, citing Iraqi officials, reported that nobody had been killed in the bombings. Jamal Abdullah, a spokesman for the semiautonomous Kurdistan Regional Government, said two Turkish warplanes had dropped flares over a village near Zakho in northern Iraq on Monday. About 3,000 rebels use northern Iraq as a base for attacks in Turkey. The PKK took up arms in 1984 with the aim of creating an ethnic homeland in southeast Turkey, which is mainly Kurdish.

Kenny G is fine But I personally call his music and most of contemporary jazz (smooth jazz) "lifti mej lselu erazhshtutyun"

Ayoooooooooo You made my day! Levon is a great. Everytime when I am in wynn (Vegas) I wish he plays there. Es angam Yerevanum vochmidsev chhajoghvec gnai "Malxasnoc" Edo qeri myus angam miasin enq gnalu?

When I listen to Chick Corea I can feel the Bach's, Bethoven's influence/inspiration also Spanish folk music in his works. Keith Jarrett reminds about Mozart. Buena Vista Social club's jazz is about cuban folk music. John Mclaughlin (sometimes with other performers) has indian, middle eastern and other influence in his music. I can feel the old black folk in Miles Davis's music. There are many more. Like you have said above "you don't like distasteful and often exaggerated desire to "jazzify" everything". It depends who does it and how it is done. I think Tatevik is fine. She also introduces Komitas to world. It is always hard to find common taste in any kind of art. P.S. What do you think about Arto Tung Boyajian?

hagopn what do you think about jazz- man/women who perform old compositions. "Take Five" or "Summertime" or Jobim's "How Insensitive" etc. works have been played by many other performers. Do you still think they are copycats and clones (of Dave Brubeck or Paul Desmond)? Do you think other performers of those works don't deserve to be called jazz- men/women? I myself don't like plagiarism. But jazz is something different.

hagopn somehow I have a feeling that you have a personal problem with Tatevik. There is no need to generalize it. Alot of people like her performance so do I. I won't change my taste to her music after reading your opinion about her. I think it is useless to debate about the tastes. Arshakyanner and Tatevik are two different topics. I am not familiar with Ayo show maybe you are right about them but not about Tatevik.

She is 13 years old: http://youtube.com/watch?v=D-bumYe5mfA

Hagop you do prefer tatul over Tatevik right?!? The other day I have heard someone comparing Arshakyan sisters to Charlez Aznavour and confirming that Arshakyan sisters are much better lolololol. I know many jazz pianists, guitarists, etc who take their themes or inspiration from known classical composers. I don't see anything bad in it. Where did Ella Fitzgerald take her lyrics? Other advantage is that she is introducing the world komitas.

The question here is not whether Hrant's son and others want to move out or stay in Turkey. It is more about how much turkish authorities will do to protect him while he exercises his right of free speech and free press.

I think we should let her go

No but seriously she has "something" in her curvature published in playboy.

LOL I have just noticed that I have confused Avo47 with AK-47

lol I have no doubt

I didn't follow the whole thread but I think the following picture will fit to the topic http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44229000/jpg/_44229148_sacks_afp220b.jpg http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/7087000.stm P.S. Country like this (Turkey) wants to join EU ????

Avo47 I don't suggest you to teach her anything She may turn your nick Avo47 to Ahh69 bro

Arden download em arel nayel em. Yete Moson tuyl ta karam mejneric qich te shat "patshach" mi nkar stegh post anem. So people can see what I am talking about

I kinda liked the curvature

Is her last name Qartashyan or Gardashyan? She probably doesn't need the -yan suffix anymore. Right Arpa? P.S. By the way are they natural ? You know what I mean

Well whoever will be the next president of Georgia beside Saakashvili, he is going to be the puppet of Russia. Perhaps small countries are always puppets of big ones. That's the law of survival in international politics. The question is now who is going to benefit, what will be the result from the leader/epoch change in the region.

Gamarjobad, doprigalisj...

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Hilarious

Prime Minister Erdogan is no historian either. So his big mouth can stay shut and his opinion does not count.

Now it claims that PKK has an office in Armenia. WHAT A BULL ... I don't understand why Wall Street Journal hates Armenians so much? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1194231762...=googlenews_wsj Storm Clouds Over Northern Iraq By NORMAN STONE November 5, 2007; Page A19 ANKARA -- Condoleezza Rice stepped from an aircraft onto Turkish soil last week for a short, and surely uncomfortable, visit. The U.S. secretary of state fielded sharply pointed and well-informed questions about Iraq and the ongoing attacks on Turkish troops just across the border. Many of those questions will no doubt be repeated in Washington during today's scheduled meeting between Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan and President Bush. Despite assurances from Ms. Rice that Turkey and the U.S. share a "common enemy" in Kurdish militants, the situation boils down to something of a conundrum: What for America is a solution -- the Kurds -- is for Turkey a terrible problem. In the last few months a terrorist organization, the PKK (it stands for Kurdish Workers' Party) has been killing young Turkish soldiers -- reportedly, at times, with American weapons -- and has established safe havens just over the Iraqi border. The PKK is -- along with Sendero Luminoso in Peru, and the Basque terrorists in Spain -- the last of the Mao-inspired "National Liberation Fronts" that caused such mayhem in what we have to call the developing world. The PKK was founded in 1979, by Turkish-educated students, and in the 1980s and 1990s it was responsible for 37,000 deaths, most of them Kurdish. Now, from its apparent safe haven in Kurdish northern Iraq, and with an office in Armenia -- was the timing of the U.S. Congress resolution anent the "genocide" coincidental? -- the PKK is back, and this time in a much more dangerous form. The attacks in Turkey have been well-organized, and seemingly on the basis of serious intelligence. So it was that Ms. Rice landed in a Turkey in uproar -- and with an increasingly anti-American citizenry. One must remember that Turkey and the U.S. have long been key allies, if not dear friends. Adnan Menderes, the first Turkish prime minister to be democratically elected (in 1950), said "whatever America does, is right for us." Menderes opened up the economy and joined NATO. Turkey is a relatively new country, established in 1923 in the rubble of the old Ottoman Empire, and foreign models have been very important. The dominant one was once French, but is now American; and if imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, then Americans in Turkey have good reason to be pleased. Turkey is now in the same league as, say, South Korea or Taiwan or even Japan as a testimony to the incredible positive influence of postwar America. With her geographical location and her demographic problem, she could have been an Egypt. Instead, she is a Spain -- industrialized, literate, and the only place between Athens and Singapore where people actually want to live: Turkey is home to two million refugees, many from Iran. American hard power is here, in the shape of NATO institutions and the great air base at Incirlik; and the IMF has been called upon to support the Turkish currency. But it is the "soft power" that you cannot miss. The Turks have even set up private universities on the American model, far more of them than in Western Europe, and thousands of Turkish students make for the States each year. So, will the PKK and the troubles in northern Iraq bring this so positive relationship to an end? Probably not. Mr. Erdogan and the Turkish elite understand the value of their alliance with the U.S. -- and are unlikely to let the mess of Iraq undo it. The Turks know Iraq historically and very well. In the days of the Ottoman Empire, three disparate provinces had been ruled from Baghdad, which the Turks had taken in 1638. The empire had originally been Balkan-based, looking to Europe. But the long war with Persia sucked the Turks into the Middle East, and the character of the empire changed. In the 19th century, following French precepts, the Sultans tried to centralize it, but over Iraq they gave up, and simply did deals with the local powers-that-be, whether the Sunni elite in Baghdad, the Shia (and proto-Iranian) groupings in the south, or various Kurdish tribal chiefs in the mountainous north. One way of controlling them was to set up a "tribal school" in Istanbul, where the sons were educated (they often fought). One result was that, of all the elements in Iraq, it was the Kurds who were in the end closest to Turkey. After World War I, the British took over Iraq, and there were also shadowy ideas of dividing eastern Turkey between Armenian and Kurdish nation-states. The Kurds, on the whole, opted for Turkey, and contributed much to her war of independence. They were good fighters, which the Armenians, mainly traders, were not, and the Turks won in a remarkable comeback. At the time, they drew up a "National Pact," and the Kurdish areas of northern Iraq were included as a territorial claim. The British, then occupying Iraq, did not intend to let these oil-rich areas fall into Turkish hands, and manipulated the League of Nations into leaving the Kurdish area in the British-dominated Iraqi colony (or "mandate" as it was known). They then faced a war of all against all, and their chief expert, Lawrence of Arabia, sagely wondered why it was that the British, with 100,000 men, tanks, aircraft and poison gas, could not control a region that the Turks had run with a native army of 14,000 men, executing 90 men per annum. Then, as now. The Turks' National Pact had much to be said for it, and when the first Iraq War occurred, the then Turkish leader, Turgut Özal (himself half-Kurdish) might even just have annexed Kurdish northern Iraq, if the first Bush administration had been in a creative mode. Iraq in the end is just another of those artificial, post-1918 creations, like Yugoslavia or Czechoslovakia. Kurds, nomadic tribes for the most part, are settled all over the Middle East, even in Afghanistan, but the Kurdish state is really Turkey; and Istanbul, where (after Black Sea migrants) Kurds are the largest group, is the biggest Kurdish city. These millions of Kurdish migrants are rapidly becoming assimilated, speaking Turkish among themselves, with, in heated moments, some Kurdish words. Some have become very successful indeed; many have intermarried; even Black Sea taxi drivers, fulminating against dirt and thievery, will say that they have several Kurdish friends. The Istanbul-based Kurds do not vote for a Kurdish nationalist party at all, and just follow the Turkish ones, secularist, religious (they like the present government) or middle-of-the-road. The fact is that most Kurds in Turkey just want their children to go ahead in the national language -- the more so as there is not even a single Kurdish language: there are four, or even seven, depending on how you classify dialects. However, in the southeast of Turkey there is a huge Kurdish problem. The region is far poorer than anywhere else: Hakkari on the Iraqi border has a tenth of the GDP per head of Istanbul, and there is a terrible demographic problem, of endless raggedy children, little girls of four dragging tiny tots of two across motorways. The tots will in some cases grow up to hate the Turkish state, to join the PKK, and to look at northern Iraq as the future Kurdistan. And there they will encounter some sympathy. Northern Iraq is uneasily settled as a Kurdish entity, as the result of a compromise between the chiefs of two tribal federations, Massoud Barzani on the border, Jalal Talabani to the east, and now, formally, president of Iraq. They have fought, in the recent past, but made up their differences in a flood of dollars (which, incidentally, flow back to Turkey, where the dollar and even the euro have been plunging as a result). Mr. Barzani's own family has a long history of fighting for Kurdistan, and all Turks think that he is playing politics. He does not like the PKK: let the Turks deal with them. On the other hand, with the PKK out of the picture, he will be the lion of the Kurds, as his father tried (with Soviet help) to be. Meanwhile, if American-Turkish relations are soured, then so much the better: The Americans in Iraq cannot do without him. There is also huge money to be made out of oil, and out of the smuggling of heroin and hashish, as 500,000 trucks go back and forth every year through Mr. Barzani's fiefdom. So he plays his game, allowing the PKK to raid southeastern Turkey, in the expectation that the resulting trouble can only bring him profit. Mr. Bush and Mr. Erodgan, in their meeting today, should make certain he's wrong. Mr. Stone is a professor of international relations at Bilkent University in Ankara and author of "World War I: A Short History" (Penguin, 2007).