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Bad but not anusual. Recently I had watched a documentary about Roman Catholic priests who were effected by HIV. Almost 300 priests were experiencing homosexuality inside their churches. I think its better to make sex with nuns than with each other, and may be the time had come to allow priests and nuns to get married and raise their family officially . Any comments? ----------------- Dragon

Red lipstick-red shoes, these are the favourites of Armenian women in Armenia...waw...when I was studying in Yerevan, one day all the girls in university were wearing the same red shoes, with the red lipsticks on their lips...I get shocked...what's going on! What is this about! A new ''garmir heghapokhoutiun''??? After a while I understood that ''Univermak'' had a new delivery of red shoes from China (very low quality for sure) and all women in Yerevan run for it the day before... Iragan khentenalik pan er` garmir-garmir vern ou varu...hayasdantsi aghchigneru... ------------------ Dragon

Still I haven't read any armenian book that can bring all together all these bad years and experiences that Armenian people lived in Homeland from 1991-1994, the years of cold, ''dzaragudroom'', hunger and darkness. Although the independency gave a new inspiration for some of armenian well-known writers to write about their feelings towards their Homeland, but none of them have had properly touched the issues I mentioned above. The patriotism made them blind. They were visiting Armenia in spring or summer time, enjoying the life there, spending hundreds of dollars in hotels and restaurants, or by being the official guests of the governmental and intellectual societies, they were just expressing their sorrows about the beggers in Armenia, and all of these through their interviews with the local newspapers, radio or TV. Armenian media was out of control that time. There was true madness in the atmosphere...very, very hard time, which must come to the light, to show in clear the attitude, character, psycology and the mentality of Armenian people, dealing with outside and inside EVILS at the same time... In past years, I had the chance to read some books of Diasporan writers about their personal experiences in Armenia, first of 90's...I felt pitty for some of them...they were there, in Armenia, but have seen only the little part of reality...their reality of travelling here and there, meeting this and that, feeling happy to be free of ''nationalism'' trade-mark... I felt sorry for them from bottom of my heart...but I have nothing to say, because they have the power to biult up the public opinion by their books, written only from their side... In their books the missing part was the people of Armenia and their life experiences in that mad time . ---------------------- Dragon

After independency, studying in Armenia became difficult for uspiurkahayer around the world, but it was great advantage only for Iranian-Armenians, who were arriving over Meghri, by paying $ 50 bus fee. Others have to pay by hundreds for tickets. The days of ''ousanoghagan-arkayoutian'' was gone with the collapse of USSR... I have lots of stories to tell, but now I have to focus on iranian-armenians girls (in general), who first of 90's were coming in big numbers, filling the rooms of the hanragatsarans, which were for rent. At the first look, all of them were more like muslems than armenians...after a while, you can never recognize them...all were wearing short skirts, losing weight, full make up and a boyfriend in there room...They were great in finding husbands among Spiurkahayer...they were not interested in Iranian-Armenian guys, as much as Lebanese, Syrian, Iraqian and others...sometimes even fighting with hayastantsis for that... Waw...lots of stories to tell you guys about my experience in Armenia, from 1991-1993...I can write a couple of books, but how to publish it, this is the main point!!! PS.- Please be sure that what I said above was in general . -------------------- Miss Dragon

Not only red lipsticks and red shoes, also GARMIR-ANGIUN... Guys who had the chance to study in Yerevan, they will remember ''Garmir-Angiun''...The name of the hall in hanragatsarans, where the students supposed to rest and have their weekends parties. My door was against that ''angiun'' which had nothing red but its name...Communism was still there, yet after the independency, but in that ''angiun'' was nothing left...no TV, no seats, not either windows...all were stollen by the guardians of the biulding, and for the parties students were knocking my door for chairs, table, electricity (if we had the chance to have it), and it was my destiny to share their parties even without invitation...''Garmir-Angiun''...I was laughing for the stupidity I was aware of and enjoying my room leaving the door open and my music high! ...Great days...no electricity, no heater, sometimes not even piece of bread, but there was the challenge of being uspiurkahay living in Homeland, sharing the worse with the people around you, and writing a journalistic articles about the life in Armenia... ''Inch gu nshanage Hayasdani Tsumer''...this was the title of one of my articles, which has been used (and still is in power) as a refference for those, who wanted to study more about that period...Even Hayastantsis get shocked, by facing their upsetting reality in my article... For Hayastantsis I still wish the same:''Charu gna, parin mna''... ----------------------- Dragon

Abris Mos Jan, Vorkan al shoud kidtsar ! Iragan al toun ourish es . ------------------ Dragon

Poor Gayane... I feel with you...put everything aside and c'mon join us. Dragon

A lovely sunshine...walk at the seashore, turn left to the bushes, some poetry and a warm hug of my wife, after having a great lunch. This was all for today.

Let me try... 1- a big lie. No one dies for his beloved. 2- lung 3- you cannot eat it, unless you are Vartanik. 4- a male name in Armenian. ---------------- Dragon

There is no armenian culture in Lebanon, there is only the ''remainder'' of the ''great past'' (1940-1970's), mixed with lebanese and turkish ''flavours''... Is it a culture? Why not, it is the reality of our people and the real image of Armenian spirit dying over there. A community who can not renew itself, who cannot creat new ideology, can only follow the rules of adoptation, aylaseoum or whatever. Lebanese Armenians are in the same situation. Arabic and turkish are the dominating language and spirit. The first on the ''high'' level, the second on the ''low'' one. Where is the Armenian??? I think it has already lost somewhere in between... Armeniannes in Lebanon is living the ''kaskushouk'' of death.

Armenian Diaspora is not a stable situation, never was. Yesterday we had strong communities in Galguta(India), or in Eastern Europe, although in France, or in Egypt, etc..now none of them has the same image. Diaspora is not homeland. It is the changing reality of Western Armenians, and Lebanon is part of it. No much lebanese born armenians left there. Mostly they are syrian armenians, who got lebanese identity in the past years and became part of armenian community. Although community had a grow in number, but the ''magartag'' went down...Unfortunately, being very close to turkish culture ( TV, Radio, video...mentality...), Syrian Armenians brought with them all the habits and ''flavour'' that they were enjoying in Syria... Now, in Lebanon, Armenians and especially new generations are more interested in turkish culture than armenian or even Lebanese one... Armenian Organizations are trying to fight against this ''yerevouyt'', but they are reaching nowhere. They are losing members day by day and of course there is some reason for that. Please be sure that what I said was in general and ''joghovurtayin magartagi vra'', which I care most. I'm sure there are lots of great Syrian Armenians on whom communities can count. Before all these, I think we must discuss the Lebanese war and its effects on Armenian community over there. It is really a big issue. ------------------------------------------- Dragon

GAGHABARNERU... **************** Bedk e pushrel gaghabarneru! Yev gdornern anonts Aynbes oujknoren otin mech tsurvel Vor voch meg pegor hantibi miusin... Gaghabarneru?... Mer hakaknern en Gerger-paghatsayn Khjalour vanger Yev hanker angab Ur tsaynavorneroun Mashdotsu chga~ Zoulal khazerou Gomida~s chga Ayl Aghmoug aghmoug gordzanitch gaghga~nts... Aha te inchou Yes nman em kezi Toun nman es anor Ou menk gu khosink Miyevnouyn lezvov Megoun tkadzu Miusu gu dzame Yev ayt al I~nch akhorjagov... Aysbes ''Gimasdasirenk'' Nmanoghoutian hnarknern polor Ouju gu gurdenk! Keghu gu kheghenk! Kordi gurgurots gu khunpavarenk! Minchter gurnayink Jikov mu vsem Ararich tarnal INKNADIBOUTI~AN... Yerp bidi pushrenk gaghabarneru???... ---------------------------------------- Dragon

Abres Sulamit jan, Es megu shad deghin ou kaghtsur hunchets, vonts vor nran bedk ouneyi arten. Shnorhagaloutiun, aziz jan, vor Sevagov es letsnoum mez. Dragon

I think we are almost saying the same thing. Dragon

Unfortunately, untill now there is no reason to think the opposite...poor Armenian people... Asdvadz mi arastse! Dragon

Lousasdgh ********** Vichen Zakaryani hishadagin Shirmakarit Garmir varter tsoghetsi Ou bortgatsogh lroutiunut Letsoutsi var pouyrerov... Artsounkus karut dzagets... ---------------------------------

Thank you

Really? is that what you think? Anyway, thanks for the comment. Dragon

Cage? for DRAGONs? you must be kidding! O, no, may be you are mixing between toys and real ones... or you have on your mind the skeleton of hand made dragons, presented in museums. For your information, there is no Dragon left...I'm the last ''mohegan''. Try to catch me...you might become a billionaire Dragon

I'm not reading you, I'm enjoying you (I mean your articles, thoughts and style of writing). Dragon

I came accross to this article posted by HOKIS (new volume) and wanted to share it with you. Comments will be welcomed. Dragon ------------------------------------------- Let's be serious- do you see yourself with an Armenian? Does one of the qualifications for the guy or girl of your dreams happen to be that he or she is an Armo? It seems impossible to find someone who is everything you want AND Armenian. Look back at all of the people you have had a relationship with. Howmany of them were Armos? It's true; a lot of us around the world are turning to odars when it comes to dating and the love scene. Why? Why don't all of us expect to marry an Armenian man or woman? We have to face the facts and take into consideration the blatant truth. With our community so spread throughout the Diaspora, it doesn't seem likely to date an Armo. It's easier to come across guys or girls who are the nationality of the place we live. It's likely to fall for odars when they lighly outnumber us. Ask any Armenian girl, "How are the Armenian guys in your life?" I would bet you their clichéd automatic response would be, "What Armenian guys?" The sarcastic reply sounds so familiar. I think all us Armo girls, including myself, have heard and said that too many times to count. So where are all those sought-after, unseen Armenian guys? Well, they're somewhere. And they are readily looking for a "nice Armenian girl." It's possible that expression is even more overused. Girls say the guys are too possessive and controlling. Guys say the girls are too materialistic and gossipy.But fellow Armos, these are mostly stereotypes. Stop focusing on the negative and find the beautiful things like those "sev sev acher" and of course the incredible feeling of being with somebody who you can share your culture with! Some people who have never even seriously thought of being with an Armenian guy or girl consider it quite disturbing to actually be with one. The girls think that hearing guys speak in Armenian is a huge turnoff because it's like hearing their own fathers! On the contrary, some people think it's a turn on. The sound of hayeren coming from a guy's lips is sweet and hits the spot. Getting further into the issue, views are very different, especially in the US for example. This is what we know as type A: Armenian guys want a nice Armenian girl for their future, but meanwhile they screw around with odars (for lack of better phrasing). They say it's to respect the Armo girls as to not "ruin" them. "Ruin"? What century are we in? Some girls would rather believe that guys just can't control their physical "needs" so they go out with odar girls and convince them to put out. These odar girls have no idea that these guys have no intention of having meaningful relationships with them. They are then blamed and labeled sluts at the end for giving in. Well, of course this is not all of the guys. However, there's enough to be making a bad name for the rest of them. Not long ago, I was enlightened with a new point of view - Type B: Armenian guys who mess around with Armenian girls and then end up marrying odars. Ok, what's better- type A or type B? It confuses the hell out of everyone. Most type A's seem to be hayastansis and most type B's seem to be spyurkahyer. Once again, there are plenty of Armenian guys who are not type A or type B. It's just that same old Mars and Venus story... From a guy's point of view, they don't want the "typical" Armo girl. The typical ones are obsessed with gossip and getting a guy with an expensive car and money falling out of their pockets. The females who aren't like those seem to be too independent-minded, and want to be domineering forces. They don't want serious relationships, or only would because everyone is asking, "When are you going to get married?" There's no doubt that Armenian parents pressure us to some degree to get involved with an Armo rather than an odar. Whether you're 16 or 40, parents would internally jump for joy if they know that you were going out with an Armenian. For those of us who don't see what the big deal is, it makes no difference what they want. If you don't value the Armenian culture, there's no way you're going to end up with an Armo. Fortunately, there are many of us who actually hold high the meaning and significance of being with someone of our culture. Especially after having an at least semi-serious relationship with an Armo, it's hard to turn back. This is because you have gotten a taste of how priceless it is to be able to connect with someone on a cultural level when you're going out with them. Odars then seem a little bit like strangers in your eyes. It must be admitted that it becomes more difficult to bring oneself to fall for an odar after that. An absence is felt - most say - and there's a loss of connection with the person. However, one bad experience with an Armo can turn someone off completely of having further relationships with Armenians. An unpleasant episode can surely scar someone and lead him or her to swear off of Armos. How many of the marriages you hear about lately are Armo-Armo? Mostly, it's Armo-odar. That's just the way it seems. It's also true that the longer your family has been living away from Armenia, the more likely it is that you'll date an odar. If you're the first or second generation, then there's a much higher chance of having your heart set on a dreamy Armenian man or woman. That may be the reason why so many more spyurkahyes rather than hayastansis get occupied with odars. One thing for sure is that Armos' views on the subject vary greatly from one person to the next. Guys see it differently from girls, spyurkahyes from hayastansis, generation from generation. Some of us think being with an Armo is the greatest thing, while others debate that it's just as good if they date an odar. Perhaps the best (and only) thing to do in this situation is whatever tickles your fancy. Feel more comfortable with an odar? Then that's your thing. Prefer an Armo? Then by all means, go for it! Why not put your views across on this topic on the Hokis Discussion board?

??? **** Man or woman Does it matter? Some is ugly Some is nice Some is tall And some is short But all of them Have one heart A head on top Toes at the edge. What does matter Is one thing: Not all of them Are human. Man or woman first be human. ------------------------------- Dragon

Teyev veru nshvadz yerku lselou aritu chounetsa dagavin, payts HOKIS-in arachatradz hartseru haygagan gyankin ungerayin yeresu gu nergayatsne ir unthanroutian mech. Mishd harkelov patsaroutiunneru bedk e usel, vor haygagan-azkayin gyanku arten shadonts gorsuntsoutsadz e ir hmayku` arjanabadvoutian, badivi, partsr idealnerou, IRAGAN ARACHNORTNEROU patsagaypoutian badjarov. -Hayu aysor aveli ''charchi'' e, kan azniv vajaragan. -Hayu aysor aveli mageresayin e, kan khorki mart. -Hay gineru aysor aveli tetevamid en, geroukhoumov, hakousd gabousdov pavararvogh, kan irents undanikin ou zavagneroun hokevor arjeknerou ajoumov. -Hay dghamartig aysor aveli yesagetron ou ampardavan en, kan nvirvadz irents undanikin ou azkin. Isg yete kani mu ghroush al tram ounin, ouremn` Asdvadz okne irents tserku ingoghin... -Hay harousdu aysor aveli paraser e, kan iragan parerar. Portsetsek vorpi mu, gam ousanoghi mu hamar oknoutiun khuntrel ou bidi desnek, te vorkan arkahadagan bidi ulla irents badaskhanu. Payts yete arachargek BADVO HIUR gam ORVAN NAKHAKAH ullal tsernargi mu gam barahantesi mu, anonk sirov bidi untounin` mughvadz irents parasiroutenen (teyev yerpemun al chvjarelov irents khosdatsadz koumaru, gam al payment-i veradzelov zayn...) - Hay ggheraganu aysor aveli MEDZAPERAN e, kan iragan voghormadz ou oknoutian poutatsogh. Daregan yergou merelotsnerou dzkhader kahanan gaytsele ir hodu...miayn tram havakelou nbadagov. ''Hayr Mer'' mu agraneroun mechen (achgu chors goghm tartsunelov...) aba anmichabes usdatsakiri dedrag! Ays poloru mas gu gazmen aysorvan hay-anmshagout mshagouytin! Ungerayin tsaver ou parker miajamanag, voronts harazad dznountneren megn al HOKISn e anbayman... Yereg Paul Baghdadliann ou Pierre Shammasiann eyin, Garo, Maro, Noushig ou Ara Kekejian, aysor HOKISn e ou Aram Asadrian, Tata ou kich mun al Noune, voronk shoudov gu tarnan mer mshagoutayin arjekneru, kani vor noreru bidi kan, ayt al aveli anmagartag... Tujpakhdapar, jamanagu bidi usdibe mez untounil anuntounelin, minchev ayn aden vor Mer Joghovourtu chi partsranar hay hokevor irav arjekneru knahadelou magartagin. Hos yevus knnatadoutian slaku gerta mer azkayin GHEGAVAROUTIAN...vor medz patsaga mun e sagayn... OV E IRAV GHEGAVARU??? Hartsoumu arten gu bardatre inkzink.

Te inchbes Hisus chouru kiniyi veradzets ************************************************** Asdvadzapanagan hamalsaran mu gu haydarare murtsank` verohishyal hartsoumu nergayatsnelov ir ousanoghneroun, baymanav vor badaskhanu ulla garj, ampoghchagan yev kegharvesdagan. Murtsanku gu hadgatsvi ayn ousanoghin, vor aysbes kradz er: ''Chouru ir DERu desav yev garmretsav''. ------------------------------------------------------ Dragon