Hakob

I didn't really answer the sex and rape part of this thread. source: http://members.boardhost.com/tajikistan/msg/7792.html 1. SEX Carnal gratification, man's greatest desire, is the first temptation that the concept of Jihad carries. A Mujahid i.e. the Islamic warrior, who at that time suffered pangs of sexual starvation in the torrid land of Arabia, was promised plenty of sensual enjoyment as a reward for participating in the carnage whether or not he survived the rigors of the battlefield. If he got killed, he was assured that the houris waited for his glorious company in Jannnat i.e. paradise, and if he survived, he had a share in the plunder, which included women of the infidels. Islam has prescribed flogging, and death-by-stoning for sexual offenses such as fornication and adultery because it holds such acts as unlawful when committed out of wedlock but when a Muslim "fights in the way of Allah" to murder the infidels and plunder their property, then the Koran relaxes this rule: "And anyone of you who has not the affluence to be able to marry believing free women in wedlock, let him take believing handmaids that your right hand owns ......So marry them, with their people's leave, and give them their wages honorably as women in wedlock, not as in license or taking lovers." (Women, IV: 25) These verses demonstrate beyond a shadow of doubt that the Koran forbids sexual intercourse outside wedlock: marriage is a must for the fulfillment of sensual desires, but this law is blown off by the wind of change when it comes to a Muiahid (the Holy warrior): During the battle of Autas, the Muslims captured some women along with their husbands. Though earlier, a Muslim had been forbidden sexual intercourse with an unbelieving married woman, at this occasion, it was revealed to the Prophet that Allah had relaxed this restriction and permitted copulation to the warrior if she had fallen to his lot in the battle and thus became his property. ( TIRMZI, vol. one, P 417 ) What a lure for becoming a fighter! Even the institution of marriage loses its varnish, value and validity. It must be remembered that having carnal relationship with one's concubine in the Byzantine Empire, was considered an offense punishable by death, but Islam, the true religion of God, permitted it at will! Even the Prophet Muhammad himself indulged in this Divine Concession. Having forced the Jewish tribe of Banu Qureza to surrender as an exercise of Jihad, he put 800 men to death. Among the victims were the husband, father and brothers of Rehana, a twenty-year-old Jewish beauty, who fell into Muhammad's lot as his share of the plunder. Having presided over the massacre of the Jews, he returned to his tent where mournful Rehana awaited her fate. Charmed by her radiant figure, the Prophet proposed marriage to Rehana, sobbing with grief and utter frustration. Realizing that he was so impervious to other peoples' bereavement and sorrow, she refused to acknowledge him as the Prophet of God and preferred to end up as his concubine instead of wife. Sex was a big bait to attract followers, and eventually, make them sincere devotees. After the people of Taif surrendered in February, 1639 AD to escape horrors of the siege, Muhammad was presented with three beautiful women; he gave one of them "to Ali, another to Usman and the third to Omar." To realize the significance of this episode, one ought to remember that both Ali and Usman were his sons-in-law and Omar was his father-in-law. The holy warriors of Islam have been given an unusual privilege of sexual merriment. If they survive the battle, they secure concubines but if they fall, they are sure to enter paradise full of houris, living in the most luxurious environment. See for yourself: " For them (the Muslims) is reserved a definite provision, fruit and a great honor in the Gardens of bliss reclining upon couches arranged face to face, a cup from a fountain being passed round to them, while, a pleasure to the drinkers ..... and with them wide eyed maidens flexing their glances as if they were slightly concealed pearls. (The Rangers, 40-45) "Surely for the God-fearing awaits a place of security gardens and vineyards and maidens with swelling bosoms." (The Tidings: 30) The houris are ever-young women who have wide eyes, flexing glances and swelling bosoms. Fancy the modesty of Allah and holiness of His manners. Can anyone honestly say that it is not a lure to attract followers? How desperate Allah is for votaries! To bring out the veracity of this point, I may refer to HADITH TIRMZI, volume two (p 35-40) which gives details of the houris: 1. A houri is a most beautiful young woman with a transparent body. The marrow of her bones is visible like the interior lines of pearls and rubies. She looks like red wine in a white glass. 2 She is of white color, and free from the routine physical disabilities of an ordinary woman such as menstruation, menopause, urinal and offal discharge, child bearing and the related pollution . 3. A houri is a girl of tender age, having large breasts which are round, and not inclined to dangle. Houris dwell in palaces of splendid surroundings. Now add to this description of houris what MISHKAT, volume three Says on pages 83-97: 4. If a houri looks down from her abode in heaven onto the earth, the whole distance shall be filled with light and fragrance ..... 5. A houri's face is more radiant than a mirror, and one can see one's image in her cheek. The marrow of her shins is visible tothe eyes. 6. Every man who enters paradise shall be given seventy-two houris; no matter at what age he had died, when he is admitted into paradise, he will become a thirty-year-old, and shall not age any further. 7. TIRMZI, vol. 2 states on page 138: A man in paradise shall be given virility equal to that of one hundred men. Need I add more to the sexual temptation that Islam offers to turn its followers into warriors?

Muhammad did conquer and unite all the Arabic tribes (whether Jewish, pagan, Christian, etc.) of modern Saudi Arabia before his death. Read, that these nomadic Bedouin people are the only true "ARABS." The others of Magrib (North African countries) and Levant (Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, etc.) are only those who became "Arabs." Before his death, he had invited the Byzantine Romans and Sassanians (Iranians) to join Islam or invite war. His later companions and relatives then went on to complete his envisioned mission. No one started no wars with them. Ask: who are the aggressors?

"Finally, when you see Hakob next time, tell him on my behalf that he is an ass.hole, a pathological coward and a degenerate voyeurist." I am not here on the Net to make friends nor enemies. I'll take it as a compliment. If you had noticed, on CyberIran, I had refrained from make all the namecalling or mudslinging against you awhile ago. The IPs are there for you to check now. To me, all of this is now water under the bridge. I am not here to make friends nor enemies. I am just to post viewpoints whether one likes it or not.

Any of you know the exact figure for this population group in northeastern Turkey? I have relatively little or no info. about this group on the Net. Some say they are around 50,000 while others say they can be as high as 2 million? Are there any in the republic of Armenia? When exactly did their ancestors convert over to the Muslim faith? I heard they became Muslims just to avoid the massacres? It is sad that Armenians refuse to acknowledge this group and the Turks resent them for maintaining their Armenian language. Their future does not look too good. I really think Armenians should try to reach out to them and show them back to the way of God and Hayastan.

I don't need to lie. Look everywhere in this world and you can see Muslims cannot coexist peacefully with others from different faiths. Either in a Muslim dominated nation like Indonesia or even in non-Muslim dominated society in the Phillipines, the Muslims cannot tolerate differences or get along with others.

majya, The West is prejudiced, but yet there is a little grain of truth to every falsehood. Can we not say that the Taliban in Afghanistan is not living and ruling according to the codes of the Prophet 1,400 years ago? Are we not using a Western yardstick to measure their actions? Maybe that is how the real ideal Islam is and was? I know I cannot accept that.

Harut, I agree with you. I am very subjective or religious matters. But, this religion is the only one that promises life in heaven after killing a non-believer. This is the only holy book where I have seen so much references to fighting, killing and slavery. Qur'an sounds more like our Old Testament, but more violent in my opinion. Muhammad, I think did not create the religion out of his own. He must have took a lit bit here and there from both Christianity and Judaism, along with the harsh realities of the nomadic Bedouin Arabian deserts. This is the only holy book where killing and war is prescribed. I have read other religions and their texts, and none to this extent. It is relatively easy to understand how they became 1 billion. Jihad and jizya.

If there are any Muslim friends/visitors to this thread and have read what they do not want to read, then I sincerely apologize toward any ill feelings generated from this. Yet, I don't hold back what I have posted (actually cut and pasted). The issue is an emotional one for me. My people have dealt with it for more than one thousand years. It was as if we were cursed.

What is the exact meaning of Jihad? Should I ask the modern Muslim scholars educated in the West, or should I find out from hojas in isolated Muslim villages of the Middle East? I got this article directly from a Tajikistan discussion forum: http://members.boardhost.com/tajikistan posted by: "Ayatollah Rock'n'Rollah Human rights abuses happen in many countries, but never to the proportion and the magnitude of what is happening in Iran and other Islamic countries. In the last few years, and with no little thanks to the Islamic Revolution of Iran, I noticed that the major human right abuses are perpetrated in the name of religion. I became concerned for the plight of my people in Iran and her neighboring countries and decided to investigate the cause. I asked myself whether all this is because the gentle and peaceful message of Islam is misunderstood and whether there is a way to revive the pure Islam and save my country. It was in this quest that I realized, to my chagrin, that the human right abuses are not deviations from the true Islam but they ARE teachings of Islam. I realized that in Islam, Man has no rights! All the rights are reserved for Allah. Man has only duties. Among his duties, he has to pray five times a day, believe in the religion of Allah and submit his will, thoughts and intelligence to him. Any independence from Allah, even at the level of thought is punishable by beating, imprisonment and death. All the Islamic countries have signed the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights; despite that gross violations of human rights happen in almost all of them. The reason is – the laws of Quran and Sharia take precedence over the human rights whenever they are in conflict. You are in violation of the laws of Quran and Sharia if you apostatize. Apostasy is the biggest sin that Allah cannot forgive. If you decide to turn your back to Islam, you must be killed. The prophet himself killed those who rejected him after they had accepted him and there are many verses in Quran from which the Islamic governments can get their guidelines in killing the apostates. (Q. 2:39,, 3:90-91, 4:89 , 9:66)If you apostatize your marriage with your wife is annulled and your relationship with her is adulterous, which means not only you should be killed for heresy, your wife also should be stoned to death for adultery. If you are a woman you cannot marry a non-Muslim, or both of you could face death. If you belong to a religious minority; a Christian or a Jew, you may live but not before paying a penalty tax. This tax that is called Jizyah could be as high as half of your income. This was the amount that the Prophet exacted from the Jews of the Kheibar after he raided that town and killed many of their able men, taking as sex-slaves and maids their young and pretty women. Torture in Islamic countries is common but it is also inspired by what the Prophet did. Muhammad is reported to have employed torture to force his victims reveal the information that he needed. The oldest biography of Muhammad called the “Sirat Rasulallah On page 515, tells of Muhammad’s conquest of Kheibar. He ambushed this city without any provocation, and. “Kinana al-Rabi, who had the custody of the treasure of Banu Nadir, was brought to the apostle who asked him about it. He denied that he knew where it was. A Jew came (Tabari says “was brought” , to the apostle and said that he had seen Kinana going round a certain ruin every morning early. When the apostle said to Kinana, “Do you know that if we find you have it I shall kill you?” He said, “Yes”. The apostle gave orders that the ruin was to be excavated and some of the treasure was found. When he asked him about the rest he refused to produce it, so the apostle gave orders to al-Zubayr Al-Awwam, “Torture him until you extract what he has.” So he kindled a fire with flint and steel on his chest until he was nearly dead. Then the apostle delivered him to Muhammad b. Maslama and he struck off his head, in revenge for his brother Mahmud.” Taken from “The Life of Muhammad”, or Sirat Rasulallah”, translated by A. Guillaume, page 515. One wonders why the same angle Gabriel who told the Prophet about the plot of the Banu Nadir against his life, a plot that no one heard of except the Prophet, thus giving him the excuse to exterminate that tribe and confiscate all their property, did not come to tell him where the treasure was hidden, forcing the impeccable and compassionate mercy of God amongst men to commit such horrendous act with another human being? Muhammad himself raped the captured women in his raids. Rayhana and Safiya from the Jewish tribes of Banu Quraiza and Banu Nadir were the shares of the Prophet and were allotted to him before other Muslim warriors could get their share of their sex slaves. Assassinations is the preferred Method of the Islamic regime of Iran. Hundreds of dissidents, whether inside of Iran or outside, have been eliminated by this way. Not surprisingly it was Muhammad who set the example. More than a dozen of people were assassinated by the followers of Muhammad and at his behest. One of them was a 120-year-old man called Abu Afak whose crime was to mock the Prophet in the street. Another one was Asma Bint Marwan who composed a lyric cursing the Arabs for letting Muhammad get away with his crimes. The Prophet asked: “Who will get me rid of her”?. “Umayr b. Adiy al-Khatmi who was with him heard him, and that very night he went to her house and killed her. In the morning he came to the apostle and told him what he had done and he [Muhammad] said, “You have helped God and His apostle, O Umayr!” When he asked if he would have to bear any evil consequences the apostle said, “Two goats won’t butt their heads about her”. Asma was the mother of 5 small children. When her assassin came to her, she was asleep and her youngest baby suckling from her breast. Every torture, every cruelty, every inhumanity perpetrated by Muslims in authority is inspired by the words and the deeds of the Prophet and can be found in Quran and hadith, the two sources of guidance for 1.1 billion Muslims worldwide. This is a long subject and one could write a book about it.. Human rights violations cannot stop while Islam dominates the minds and the hearts of these people. The violence perpetrated by the Muslims is not limited to the Islamic countries. Although the Muslims are the primary victims of this cult, the West is not immune to Islamic terrorism. With the growth of the Muslim population in European and American countries, the inhabitants of these two continents could expect to see more terrorisms, World Trade Center style, and more loss of innocent lives. The United States, Canada and all the European countries expend millions and millions of dollars to counter terrorism. But the sad reality is that Islamic terrorism is not the problem but the symptom of the problem. It is Islam that rears terrorists. You fight one terrorist group, ten more emerge from beneath the rock. “Fundamentalism is the poisonous branch of the poisonous tree of Islam” says Taslima Nasrin, the Bangali doctor who’s death is now decreed by the Muslims Ulama, “as long as the tree is standing these poisonous branches will keep shooting out”. To eliminate Islamic terrorism we have no option but to eliminate Islam. Despite the anger and the threats of violence by the Muslim fundamentalists, Islam is a very vulnerable religion. The majority of Muslims are not aware of the inhumane teachings of Islam. The best part of them will leave Islam once they learn the bitter truth about it. This is why I have dedicated my energy and life and have embarked on the self imposed mission to introduce the real Islam to the world, stop this insanity, bring common sense, call for unity of human kind, promote equality of the genders and advance science and reason

Ottoman Turks during Genocide as well as current Arab suicide bombers in Palestine often quote from this chapter and verse.

Friends, Please read Surah (chapter) Muhammad, Ayyah (verse) #4 in the Qur'an. (ch.47) Bismillah-ir-Rahman-ir-Raheem In the name of Allah, the beneficent, the merciful. (Ch.47, verse 4)---(English translation from the original Arabic). Whenever you encounter the infidels, seize them and strike their necks until they have been subdued, then tie them up as prisoners, either in order to release them later on or also to ask for ransom, until war lays down her burdens. Thus shall you do-; yet if Allah so wished. He might defend Himself from them-in order that some of you may be tested by means of one another. The ones who have been killed in Allah's way will never find their actions have been in vain. He will guide them and improve their attitude and admit them to the Garden He has acquainted them with. "NOBLE QUR'AN"---English translation by Thomas Irving.

In and near the city of Isfahan in Iran, there exists an ancient fortress by the name of "Kala Mamikun." It is believed to have been established during the early reign of the Sassanians, but locals claim it was built during the waning years of the Arsacid dynasty, only to be rebuilt and rebuilt time after time. Some Armenians live within this vicinity and when their ancestors where deported here during the Safavis, they claimed this land as their own saying that they were returning to the old Arsacid lands of their forefathers. In Afghanistan and all the way up in the northern coastal Caspian regions, many towns bear this title "Kala." I don't know the meaning of this word. But, people say it means a fortress or a castle. Kala Mamikun, doesn't name sound familiar? Perhaps, it was a fortress built by the early ancestors of the Mamikonian dynasty? History says they (Mamikonians) came from the lands east of Iran, and this fortress is located in the east of Iran. I would like to check out this place someday. Iranyar knows better about this.

I am sick of it and before anyone cast stones to my statement, think about it logically.

Maybe that is why they posted on the Net in the first place? Out of desperation?? This my first time seeing girls post pictures of their boobs and butocks and shaking it on the dance floor! I have been to various Russian, Ukrainian, Filipino, Columbian and Armenian dating agencies on the Net and I have yet to see something such as this!! I thought we put our women on such high standards and expected them to be angels? Well, I guess some guys can't control their instincts and these girls know it.

Turkish who converts himself to Christianity and tries to do the same to other Turks or else I would be a Turkish Marcus Garvey and tell fellow Turks to pack up and return to Turan (Central Asia) on horses. Jirit, jirit.