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ArmoArmeN, It was the conservative isolationists in the US Congress who were opposed to a US mandate over Wilsonian Armenia. Stalin was in total contol. Are you saying that he was a Zionist Jew?

It is inconceivable that a country that would prosecute a journalist for such statements could EVER be admitted into the EU. When are they going to show that their purported reforms are more than just for show? They are showing their Achilles heel, that they are not real Turks at all but predominantly a melange of former Christians, forcefully converted and assimilated. The real Turks of Central Asia do not have an identity problem for which they have to maintain absurd laws such as these.

All these problems today because of "papa" Stalin's meddling.

Domino, Can we be sure that had Ataturk's life not been saved by this Armenian, that another Turk would not have arisen who would have followed Ataturk's footsteps?

Ara, It does not require one to be a dissident writer to have comments such as these hurled at one. All one has to do is proclaim one's membership in a specific sub-group of our community to members of another sub-group. I once had a couple get up and abruptly move to another table at an Armenian fund-raiser when I told them that my great-grandfather was a prominent Armenian Catholic. My own family has vilified me for attending functions at the Prelacy church, where my ex-wife's family were members. This list goes on and on.

Per Domino's astute perceptions, this was not done by Turks. This is a typical ploy by those who have something to gain but want to shift the blame to someone else.

Oh How Peachy. Poor Armenian nannies and laborers leaving a destitute Armenia to work in Turkey. (They don't mention the Armenian beauties working as prostitutes in Istambul). Meanwhile, the remnants of Ottoman Turkey's Amiras are scattered around the world, many struggling to make a living in foreign lands. They have Armenians right where they want them, in a subservient position. Meanwhile the grandchildren of the Ittihadists, now entrenched in the Turkish legal circles, do everything to maintain the status quo so to hold on to the booty their grandfathers confiscated from the Amiras.

I found him in about 10 seconds. I slowly scrolled down from top to botom and found him near the bottom. What does that say about vegans lacking protein?

Azat (Mr. Apple Fast), How many times have you visited Seattle and have you left the tourist and yuppie areas?

My relative is an Armenian prince. He has bearing and he oozes $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Harut, My very close relatives get red carpet service on the spot in Las Vegas. It is all based on attitude. When I lived in LA, I considered the locals "kughatzis." Outside of the strip unless you live where my relatives live they are all double-kughatzis. That is what you get by living with cowboys. Only East Coast and maybe SF Bay area or Seattle has any class in the USA.

OK Anahid, Leave your baby with your mother or mother-in-law. We are going to dress you in Army fatigues and send you to the Turkish border, armed to the teeth. There, with other Armenian soldiers you will do battle with the Turkish Army and Air Force. You will have to fight with outdated Soviet armaments against the latest state-of-the-art military machinery supplied to the Turks by the US, Israel, etc. What will you gain for your martyrship? Perhaps a temporary taking of Ani and Ararat.... and how will the Turkish military respond to this? The Pan-Turkish advocates will stir up a fervor among the fanatics in Turkey so that their dream can be realized. Do you know that just last week groups in Baku called for Yerevan to be "returned" to Azerbaijan? Arpa is so correct. Try to gain the trousers and lose your vardiks in the process? Now I see what my great-grandfather had to deal with among his own people. There is the possible and the impossible. When there is no vision, the people perish. The possible is to mesh with a progressive Turkey in a greater EU.

Anahid, I would like nothing better than for Erdogan and Gul to go to Yerevan and meet with Kocharian and Oskanian and voluntarily cede Eastern Anatolia (as Western Armenia) back to the Armenian Republic as compensation for the annihilation of the Ottoman Armenians, which included about 85% of my family. What are the other scenarios that you folks propose? Turkey is armed to the teeth. Only the Russian bear or Persians could militarily give the Turks a scare. Turkey is not Azerbaijan, where we had the Russians on our side. Then, if by a miracle we gain these lands by force, how are we going to hold them? Become another Israel? The better way is to open channels with the progressive Turks. Break down barriers.

Dave, I don't think that you are being realistic. So the property rights of the survivors will be swept under the rug while the ROA top-brass cut a deal with the Turkish government for the land under Ararat? How typically Armenian!

Anahid, The territory issue is the thorniest and most difficult to resolve. It will bring the heaviest Turkish resistance as it is the most permanent and long-lasting change. The other reforms will help Turkey's efforts to join Europe and grow wealthy. It put a distance between itself and Europe when it annihilated the Armenians and other Christians. This is a distance she can no longer afford. She HAS to become a multi-ethnic multi-religious secular state again. Therefore, it is in her best interests to set back the clock. Can you project what the diaspora Armenian entrepreneurs will do to the shores of Lake Van? Territorial issues will be much more difficult to resolve because Turkey can not view this as in her self-interest. If borders in the EU dissolve, and she is part of it, perhaps borders will no longer matter. Yet, nationalism is still strong in the world. In any case Turkey will never willingly give up territory. That is a pipe dream.

It is time to settle this issue. That does not mean that we have to capitulate. Use your wits. The progressive Turks want this settled also, but are walking a tightrope with the fanatics and the military goons. Unreasonable perpetuation of the impasse is not in our best interests. Recognition and the private property rights of the Armenian, Greek, Assyrian and EVEN Turkish CHRISTIAN Churches, past and PRESENT is at the top of the agenda. Next come the property rights of All Christians past and present. Then the cultural rights of the Kurds and other minorities in Turkey. Thr potential rights of the ROA to the territories of Kars, Ardahan and other areas of Eastern Anatolia are a MUCH trickier issue for resolvement. Furthermore, what Diaspora Armenian is going to move there permanently from the hills of Glendale or the tony suburbs of Paris or New York / New Jersey, etc. etc?

Anahid, Now you see why I have long stated that Verginne (AKA: Anoush, Armenian Revenge, AR) and the word "khentanotz" should meet. Either that or he/she is a Turkish provacateur here to stir up trouble.

When you quote Zohrab you pull me back to my childhood roots, now severed as I associate now solely with odars. I remember my grandmother putting me on her knee and talking so highly of him and his friendship with my grandfather, who she dearly missed as he was brutally killed in the prime of his life.

Ara, With your last post, you have distilled the essence of our collective demise.

On the othere hand, many conservative Republicans Senators voted for Justices Kennedy, Stevens and Souter and are dissapointed by parts of their record.

Holy S--t! I just read that my former neighborhood is toast.

Hell fire has come to Soddom and Gomorrah!!!!

Traditionally each of the US parties has been a mosaic of beliefs, a coalition of different interest groups. Therefore, an adherent to either party after being confirmed to the Supreme Court sometimes surprises both their suppporters and detractors. We have had members of each party vote independently of the beliefs of their respective parties on individual issues.

Technology has advanced to the level where these kinds of discussions will be moot. Anyone can go, and for a small fee, discover exactly where his/her ancestors originated. Armenia is not some isolated island near the North Pole, it is on the major routes of antiquity.

At the end of the AGBU video about Stalin called "Enemy of the People," is a display of the faces of hundreds of Armenians. You would be surprised, while seeing so many faces in close succession, how many of these faces are the faces of East Asians.