Dave

Some of our authors were lucky enough to be in other countries like France, when the orders were given. Some of the less fortunate, such as Krikor Zohrab, Siamanto, and others perished. Apparently, Krikor Zorhab's head was smashed under a big rock... Yesterday, I went to an exposition of old Armenian postcards. Under the picture of Sultan Hamid, it was written that his mother was an Armenian, called Verjin. Is this true?

Some massacres in Constantinople took place in 1895-96, but I do not know any details.

What will you do on the 24th of April - the long awaited 90th anniversary of the Armenian Genocide? Will you participate in any of the protests or commemoration events? Traditionnaly, I go to Ottawa on the 24th to protest. Last year we were around 3000 there. Usually, we walk from the Canadian Parliament to the Turkish Embassy. Two years ago, the protest in Ottawa was cancelled, because of SARS.

Apparently, the makers wanted to go to Syria to shoot for the film. The Syrian government refused.

PM Calls for Armenians to Apologise to Turkey Prime Minister Erdogan said that his party and the opposition will be united in challenging the Armenian claims. April 11 - It is up to the Armenians to apologise to Turkey over allegations of genocide during the First World War, Turkish Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Monday. Speaking in Norway while on an official visit Erdogan said that Turkey was prepared to openly discuss the claims made by Armenians that the Ottoman Empire had committed genocide against its Armenian citizens “We are opening up all of the state archives. Let everyone come and study it, we are ready to settle accounts with our history,” he said. Erdogan said that they would send a letter to the 11 countries that had chosen to use the Blue Book, a study of the allegations and that is used as a basis for the Armenians claims, seeking for an apology to Turkey. He said that all the 550 deputies in the Turkish parliament would sign this letter. Not only Armenians ''have to apologize'', countries that recognized the Genocide have to apologize too??

Then what word do Hayastantsis use to refer to Muslims? I like to call them Islam.

Is ''aga'' that common? I never use it. My Armenian entourage rarely uses it.

Instead of ''neh'', we have to used ''yerp vor''. And a lot of Western Armenians use hadé (turkish) or yallah (arabic) instead of ''shoud eré''...

Even Muhammed Khatami will be there.

Thursday April 7, 2005 The Armenian community in Cairo Although their numbers have dwindled in the last 50 years, Armenians have lived in Egypt since antiquity, and have played key roles in shaping the country’s history. Badr Al Gamali (d.1094), an Armenian by birth, was called to Egypt by the Fatimid Caliph Al Muntasir and given the military command of the Fatimid state. Some centuries later, Boghos Youssufian (1768-1844) was an Armenian banker and businessman who Mohamed Ali chose as his official dragoman and personal friend. Yousssufian’s influence was such that he was often described by European consuls in Egypt as Mohamed Ali’s “minister of foreign affairs.” Then there was Boghos ***** Nubar, who served as Ibrahim *****’s private secretary. He was one of the negotiators of the digging of the Suez Canal, and entered the service of Ismail when the latter became viceroy in 1863. Although not popular with the people, and in and out of favor with rulers, he was widely regarded as the most astute politician of the time. As for Armenian community in Cairo, it grew sizably with an influx of refugees after the Armenian massacres of 1914, reaching 40,000 to 60,000. The community was served by several schools, churches, social clubs and newspapers (most of which are still running today, albeit not at full capacity). Armenian artists and tradesmen left their mark on Cairo’s new downtown and on Egypt’s cultural landscape. While the cartoonist Saroukhan illustrated the jokes of Rose Al Youssef, jeweller Vartan was the place to go to buy one’s wife (or mistress) a precious bauble. Armenians also introduced photography to Egypt, and dominated the field for many decades. The great studios of the 1930s, 40s and 50s—where singers, actors and society belles went to pose for glamorous black and white shots—were run by photographers like Van Leo, Alban, Cavouk and Armand. But much of this came to an end with the 1952 Revolution. The majority of the Armenian community left during1950s, when President Nasser nationalized their land and factories. Today there are about 5,000 Armenians in Cairo. Some of the Armenian schools, churches and social clubs are kept open by dedicated community members and partly funded by the Prelacy of the Armenian Church in Egypt. Copyright © 2005 Cairo Magazine from http://www.cairomagazine.com/?module=displ...787&format=html

from http://www.eubusiness.com/afp/050407150221.663oxg2s Visit the site and take a look at the denialist comments by Turks...

I didn't say that I've never heard ''neh''.When I said that I don't know about ''neh'', I meant - its' origins. "Ishteh" and "lan" are common too. My parents try a lot to avoid these words. Beynsouz? lol I've never heard of that word. I'm sure you know about ''chenesiz''! No. We're from Beirut, but we originate from Cilician cities or towns, such as Ourfa, Marash, Birecik, Yozghat (central Anatolia?), and the famous Western Armenian mountain region - Sassoun.

heh! Turks are probably furious by now! People now know more about that Turkish terrorist than the Armenian terrorists of the 1970s-80s -- something that the Turks want to show to the world...

Don't know about ''neh'', but ''muh'' (katsir muuuh?) definately comes from Turkish. I think ''ya'' (ge pavé yaaaaa) comes from Turkish too! What about ''hetch''?

It's not like the recognition will happen instantly in one day. It will take time and it will have to come from the Turkish people...

I don't think Turks have ever visited the Armenian archives.

He was ill ever since that assassination attempt.

You beleive in the Azeri crap, that wants to make us beleive that Eastern Armenia was Islamicized during the 18th-19th centuries? What about the Armenian Melikates of Syunik and Artsakh? Weren't Iranian Armenians descendants of the Nakhichevani Armenians?

TURKS ARE BIGGEST BOOSTERS OF 90TH ANNIVERSARY COMMEMORATION Several months ago, when Armenians started planning commemorative activities for the 90th anniversary of the Armenian Genocide, little did they know that the biggest boost for their efforts would come from the Turks themselves! Long before the upcoming observances on April 24, Turkish journalists started publishing articles with ominous headlines such as, "The Approaching Armenian Tsunami" or "The Anniversary of the Armenian Genocide Would Be a Big Nightmare for Turkey." Knowing full well the extent of their guilt and the fact that no amount of denial had succeeded in covering up the crimes committed in 1915, the Turkish leaders thought it wise to make a pre-emptive strike in order to undermine the planned Armenian commemorative activities. The Turks did not realize that their actions were effectively helping to publicize the Armenian Genocide to millions of their own citizens, many of whom know little or nothing about these crimes, and to millions of other people around the world. The Turkish government enthusiastically embarked on forming so-called "expert committees" and allocated huge sums of money for their revisionist activities. As a result, before the Armenians organized a single commemorative event, the Turks had already made the entire world aware that this year was the 90th anniversary of the Armenian Genocide. Here are a few examples of recent Turkish contributions to the commemoration of the Armenian Genocide: Prof. Justin McCarthy of the University of Louisville was invited to Turkey last week to deliver a series of lectures on the Armenian Genocide and meet with the local media. Zaman newspaper reported that he spoke about "The Reality of the Armenian Genocide," at a conference held in the Turkish Parliament. Prof. McCarthy, a revisionist historian who is well known to his Turkish masters and unknown to everyone else, told the Turks that his recent book on this issue "should be thrown from the air by plane." When the Turks realize that they have been wasting their money on this charlatan, they may decide to dump him along with his book. n The Assembly of Turkish American Associations (ATAA), with the assistance of the handsomely compensated Livingston Group lobbying firm, organized a "Capitol Forum" on the Armenian Genocide, at the Rayburn Building of the House of Representatives, on March 22. The guest speaker was Prof. Turkkaya Ataov, another charlatan whom I confronted at the United Nations in Geneva some 20 years ago. The Turkish Forum was trying to imitate the Armenian Genocide commemorations organized by Armenians in April of every year in the same congressional building. The logical outcome of this Turkish event was the propagation of the Armenian Genocide in Washington without any effort or expense from Armenians. Prof. Yusuf Halajoglu, the President of the Turkish Historical Society, suggested during a university lecture that Turkey demand the re-trial of Soghomon Tehlirian who was set free by a German court in 1921, after assassinating Talaat *****, the mastermind of the Armenian Genocide. General Kilinc Tuncer, the Secretary of Turkey’s powerful National Security Council, who was present at the lecture, put an immediate stop to this counter-productive idea by pointing out that during the original trial, the Ottoman government’s crimes came under scrutiny, rather than Tehlirian’s act. He cautioned that re-opening the court case would end up putting Turkey on trial! n After the world-renowned Turkish novelist Orhan Pamuk told a foreign journalist that Turks had killed one million Armenians in 1915, scenes reminiscent of the Nazi era were repeated on Turkish streets last Sunday. Pamuk's books were collected and burned in a public ceremony, attended by Turkish parliamentarians. No wonder Hitler’s book is a best-seller in Turkey these days. Such Nazi tactics, reported by the Turkish Daily News, helped further publicize the fact that a prominent Turkish writer had acknowledged the Armenian Genocide. It is ironic that while the Turks are trying to convince the Europeans that they are ready to join the EU, they are shooting themselves in the foot, by threatening a prominent writer and burning his books! It is expected that in the coming weeks, the Turks would continue doing their share in publicizing the Armenian Genocide. Hurriyet reported about Turkish plans to hold a protest in front of the White House on April 24. Armenians should not only welcome such an initiative, but also do everything possible to assist the Turks to ensure such a gathering takes place. Just imagine the worldwide media coverage generated by the confrontation between Turks and Armenians in front of the White House on April 24. Armenians should be grateful for all the Turkish endeavors in the globalization of the 90th anniversary of the Armenian Genocide. By Harut Sassounian; Publisher, The California Courier ________________________________________________________________________________ ___________ Funny, isn't it. I have also noticed the big number of articles from Turkish News sites, while using Google News. Actually, one can find more Turkish articles on the Genocide than Armenian ones. I first learned about the German and American Bills on the Genocide, on ''Turkish Daily News''. Usually, I don't encourage Turkish products or sites. This is an exception.

Diasporan Armenians from Lebanon or from other countries helped out too. But I'm not sure if they were payed, or if they did it voluntarily. Yea. Why should we obey Ilham Aliyev's unrealistic demands of ''no compromise''! Armenia has nothing to be scared of. Azerbaijan, as a nation and as a country, is a big joke... We can't trust Turks, ever.

ANKARA, March 29 (AFP) - 22h48 - Swiss Foreign Minister Micheline Calmy-Rey on Tuesday urged Turkey to carry out a detailed study of claims that millions of Armenians were the victims of genocide under Ottoman rule during World War I. "We think that it is essential that every country conduct an in-depth historical research of its own past, especially when the question is so painful," Calmy-Rey told reporters after talks with her Turkish counterpart Abdullah Gul. The Swiss minister was speaking on the first day of an official visit which was originally supposed to take place in 2003 but was cancelled after the Swiss canton of Vaud qualified as genocide the 1915 massacres of Armenians. Shortly afterwards, the lower house of the Swiss parliament also followed suit -- against the Bern government’s advice -- and adopted a similar resolution, unleashing an angry response from Ankara. The allegations of genocide "are unacceptable claims by the (Armenian diaspora) to continue its existence. Unfortunately, the diaspora sometimes poisons our ties with other countries for its own benefit," Gul said. "Other countries must not allow this," he added. Turkey categorically denies the Armenian allegations, but has recently faced increasing calls for it to accept the killings of Armenians as genocide. In a counter-move, Turkey recently called for an unbiased study by historians, urging Armenia to also open up its own archives. Calmy-Rey hailed the offer as a "good idea" and said she had proposed to Gul the inclusion of international experts in such a commission for the credibility of the work. The massacres of Armenians during World War I is one of the most controversial episodes in Turkish history. Armenians say up to 1.5 million of their kinsmen were massacred in orchestrated killings nine decades ago during the last years of the Ottoman Empire, the predecessor of modern Turkey. Turkey, on the other hand, argues that 300,000 Armenians and thousands of Turks were killed in what was civil strife during World War I when the Armenians rose up against their Ottoman rulers. The Swiss minister said that she had come to Turkey in a bid to deepen existing ties and that she would discuss prospects of increased cooperation, especially in the economic field, during her visit. Calmy-Rey was scheduled to visit Turkey’s commercial capital Istanbul and the medieval-walled city of Diyarbakir in the mainly Kurdish southeast before leaving on Wednesday.

Strange... Both Armenian and Azeri sides think that Russians helped the other side. Azeris also say that we hired mercenaries, while it is them who got support from their Islamist (Chechens, Afghans) brothers.

Yes. We had more problems with the Byzantine Orthodox Christians than with the Arab Muslims... I think

Why not? Weren't the Ottoman Armenians called ''gyavur'' and ''raya'' because of their faith? According to an article I read, Sultan Hamid carried out massacres under the banner of Islam. In Iraq, massacres were carried out by the Muslims (Kurds and Arabs) against the Assyrian Christians, again under the banner of Islam. It's true that when Maronites attacked the Armenian quarter, Hezbullah was on our back and responded properly. Apparently, there were fights between Tashnag and Hinchag Armenians, just as there were fights between different Maronite militia groups (Lebanese Forces, Kateb..) A few months ago, there were new feuds between the Armenians of Bourj Hammoud and the Syrian Kurdish workers of nearby Nabaah...

Yes. These Turks are showing their true colours but I'm still waiting Israel's response to their attitude.