Dave

Yeah, but the difference is that the concept of Iran is an all-inclusive one, which means that Iran isn't for a single ethnic group, but for all ethnic groups that have inhabited the territory. The concept of Turkey is radically different, in the sense that it's a country for the Turks, so non-Turks aren't considered permanant inhabitants of Turkey. That's why Kurds have a good justification to separate from Turkey, unlike the Azeri separatists. Unfortunately, Greece is in NATO, thus an automatic ally of Turkey. My own dream is to see the reinstatement of the Sèvres treaty.

If the Georgians have their own alphabet, it is largely thanks to us. Mesrob Mashdots, the genius who created the Armenian alphabet, also worked to create the Georgian one. If the Caucasian Albanians still existed today, they would have also been using a unique alphabet, thanks to Mesrob Mashdots, as he created another one for the Albanians. The Ethiopian alphabet, unlike the Armenian one, has semitic origins. Nevertheless, it is alleged that Mashdots created it. There are some striking similarities: http://www.mabot.com/images/2000/0005-0223...shirt%20BW.html

I had a few ancestors from Sassoun, Birejik, and Urfa from my mothers side, and from Yozghat and Urfa from my fathers side. One of my ancestors, a young boy in 1915, was disguised as a girl by his parents, so that he wouldn't be butchered by the soldiers. I don't know any more details.. The one from Sassoun, a woman, helped the young Armenians during defense of Sassoun by preparing food, etc. They all ended up in Lebanon. My grandfather was involved in the conflict between Armenians if the 1950s, and my father was involved in the defence of Bourj Hammoud (in an area called "Sis", also the name of the capital of Giligia), like many others who lived during the period of the Lebanese Civil War. I was also born in Lebanon, but we came to Laval (near Montreal, in Canada's province of Quebec) when I was 5-6 years old.

The Iranians really need to find ways to tame the Azerbaijanis of Iran, as Iran's territorial integrity is beneficial not only for Iran and Armenia, but also for all the non-Turkic nations inhabiting the area. The separation of Iran's Azerbaijani provinces paves the way for the separation of Iran's other non-Persian provinces. This could reduce Iran's size greatly and might eventually lead to its destruction, as ethnic Persians make only 50% of Iran's population (or maybe even less) If such things happen, nothing would stop the Turks from pursuing their non-forgotten Turkic dream: the creation of Turan from the Balkans, through the Caucasus, Iran, and Russia, and all the way to Mongolia. Where do the Armenians belong in the Turkic dream? Nowhere! They recently organized a protest in Tabriz as a sign of support of their brethren in the struggle against Armenians. The protest was also a show of force against the Iranian government, thus a protest that advocates pan-Turanism. The protesters, who were also destroying an Armenian shop or 2, were thankfully neutralized by Iranian police. There was even a pro-Azerbaijan protest in Ottawa, as a response to the Armenian protest against Aliyev's quasi-declaration of war. The protesters were carrying the flag of Azerbaijan, and also that of the so-called Turkic entity in northern Iran. It is really despicable how the Azeris are using their unjust struggle for Karabagh as a means to propagate pan-Turanism and their idea of "Greater Azerbaijan". These are only a few examples of a few protests that took place this year... Who knows what has happened in the past, and also what might happen in the future if Armenia and Iran don't take the necessary precautions, and if they don't stick together.

That battle took place when Islam didn't even exist.

This was even mentioned in wikipedia's main page. I would never had thought that Armenia and Azerbaijan would eventually agree on a referendum to determin Karabagh's status: Armenian, Azeri Leaders ‘Agreed To Karabakh Referendum’ By Emil Danielyan The presidents of Armenia and Azerbaijan have accepted the idea of enabling the people of Nagorno-Karabakh to decide their status in a referendum but disagree on other, less significant issues, the Armenian Foreign Ministry said late Monday. The ministry also for the first time openly blamed Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliev for the collapse of his last peace talks with his Armenian counterpart Robert Kocharian held in Bucharest on June 4-5. It warned that Yerevan could pull out of the negotiating process if Baku refuses to sign up to a framework peace accord proposed by the American, French and Russian mediators. Key principles of that accord were revealed to RFE/RL by the new U.S. co-chair of the OSCE Minsk Group, Matthew Bryza, late last week. Bryza confirmed that it calls for the holding of a referendum in Karabakh after the liberation of Armenian-occupied territories in Azerbaijan surrounding the disputed enclave. Yerevan’s reaction to the move was negative, with President Robert Kocharian saying through a spokesman that Bryza disclosed only a part of the proposed peace deal and threatening to publicize it in full. The Armenian Foreign Ministry appears to have done just that, indicating in a written statement that the mediators also believe Karabakh should retain an overland link with Armenia and remain under Armenian control before the referendum. Still, the ministry was clearly more positive about the U.S. official’s remarks. “The co-chairs have, for the first time, affirmed that the people of Nagorno-Karabakh shall determine their own future status through a referendum,” read its statement. “Those items over which the presidents of Armenia and Azerbaijan continue to disagree do not include a referendum; that concept has been agreed to by the presidents,” it said. “The area of disagreement between the presidents has to do with the sequence in which the consequences of the military conflict are removed.” Aliev and Kocharian reportedly disagreed, among other things, on a time frame for Armenian withdrawal from Kelbajar, one of the seven occupied Azerbaijani districts sandwiched between Karabakh and Armenia, during their previous meeting held at the Rambouillet castle outside Paris in February. “In an attempt to resolve this remaining area of disagreement, a proposal was made by the co-chairs after Rambouillet. This proposal was accepted by Armenia in Bucharest. Azerbaijan rejected it,” the Foreign Ministry said without elaborating. Aliev’s apparent acceptance of the referendum option, which sparked unusually upbeat statements by the mediators late last year and early this, is at odds with his repeated public statements ruling out any possibility of Karabakh’s de jure secession from Azerbaijan. While confirming the veracity of the peace deal outlined by Bryza, Azerbaijani officials say they are only ready to grant Karabakh a status of autonomy within Azerbaijan. Foreign Minister Elmar Mammadyarov reiterated this on Tuesday. “This could be an autonomy like [the Azerbaijani exclave of] Nakhichevan, [the Russian autonomous republics of] Tatarstan and Bashkiria and other entities,” he said, according to Day.az. The Foreign Ministry in Yerevan made it clear, however, that Karabakh’s return under Azerbaijani control is non-negotiable for the Armenian side and said Baku must instead go along with the Minsk Group plan. “Armenia finds that the basic principles, overall, on the table today remain a serious basis for continuing negotiations,” it said. “Armenia is prepared to continue on that basis to negotiate with Azerbaijan; Armenia believes that Azerbaijan’s wavering on these principles is a serious obstacle to progress in the negotiations. If this policy continues, Armenia will insist that Azerbaijan conduct direct negotiations with Nagorno-Karabakh.” (Photolur photo: Armenian Foreign Minister Vartan Oskanian.) http://www.armenialiberty.org/armeniarepor...395C5858110.ASP

A part of Nagorno-Karabagh (Shahumian) is still in the hands of Azerbaijan... Why isn't that mentioned in the package deal?

Yeah.. Karabagh even has some international recognition in certain maps and softwares... We have started the correction of the Caucasus map, and Azerbaijan can't do anything about it.

Yeah I wanted to say that too... (I'm the same person as Davo88.. I just found my old password)

It isn't a good idea to buy Turkish goods, especially if neighbouring Turkic countries are doing everything to suffocate Armenia economically. We don't need to "boycott". It should be natural for an Armenian to stay away from Turkish products.

Since we would be on the defensive side, we shall take advantage of Karabagh's rugged landscape. Armenia's army is the strongest one in the Caucasus for now (and, Asdvadz ouze ne, forever), and combined with Karabagh's army, the Azeris won't have much chance. Then, they can go back to destroying rocks... The oil money doesn't mean much. In around 40 years, oil will run out. The Armenian Diaspora won't, neither will Armenia.

The million figure is actually the number of both Armenian and Azeri refugees combined.

The first Armenian Republic fell because of Ataturk. If it wasn't for him, the treaty of Sèvres would have still been in effect, and Armenia wouldn't have lost its' independance only after 2 years. Ataturk also attacked Smyrna and massacred its' Greek and Armenian inhabitants.

I think that the flag looks fine. It was accepted back in the Cilician days, in 1918, in 1991, and in the recent referendum, so the tricolor should remain unchanged.

Kakachik77, at least she kept here "Panikian" family name, and didn't Bulgaricize it to "Panikov".

Why does she praise Jews so much? I thought that Jewish terrorists fought for the creation of Israel.

I attached a picture of her, that I got by e-mail.

I found this in : http://www.interfax.ru/e/B/politics/28.htm..._issue=11473790 Recognition of Karabagh is practically a declaration of war to the Azeri eyes. I guess not much of an "Artsakh Peace Process" is left! Armenia will recognize Karabakh if talks hit dead-end - Kocharian YEREVAN. March 3 (Interfax) - Armenia will de jure recognize the independence of Nagorno-Karabakh if negotiations with Azerbaijan on a settlement of their conflict over the predominantly ethnic Armenian enclave in Azerbaijan reach a deadlock, Armenian President Robert Kocharian told journalists on Thursday evening. "Armenia should be prepared that the talks may reach an impasse, although chances to make progress still remain," he said. "However, if Azerbaijan firmly states that time is working for Azerbaijan and tries to resolve the Karabakh issue by bolstering the army and using force, Armenia will take the following steps: first and foremost, it will de jure recognize the independence of the republic of Nagorno-Karabakh," the president said. The second step would be "a set of agreements and laws that would allow Armenia to ensure the security of the people of Nagorno-Karabakh. I am speaking about signing a wide variety of treaties that would view any attack on Nagorno-Karabakh as an attack on Armenia," Kocharian said. The third step would be the creation of a so-called 'security belt', he said.

Armenians stage protest demonstration in Ottawa http://www.horizonweekly.ca/images/news/1502.jpg 27.02.2006 13:09 YEREVAN (YERKIR) - The Armenian Revolutionary Federation’s(ARF) Canada Youth Organization and the Armen Karo Student Organization organized a demonstration on February 24 in Ottawa, Canada, to protest against the criminal anti-Armenian policies of Azerbaijan. About a hundred Armenians from Montreal, Laval, Toronto, Cambridge and Ottawa were present. The protestors gathered outside the UNESCO office demanding that the UNESCO interfere and condemn the barbaric destrucion of the Armenian khachkars in Julfa, Nakhijevan. Mher Garagashian spoke on behalf of the ARF Central Committee of Canada. Then Lori Janapazian and Harut Bakarian spoke in English and French. “We expect that such crimes perpetrated by Azerbaijan against the Armenian cultural heritage should be condemned. This heritage belongs to not only the Armenian people but the entire mankind.” Later, the demonstrators handed a memorandum to the UNESCO headquarters and then went to the Azerbaijani embassy. Raffi Sargisian and Harut Bekarian spoke here. The protesters tried to submit a memorandum but the Azerbaijani embassy employees did not contact them. The memorandum was handed to the police officers, who took it to the embassy.

Depopulation of Nakhichevan had already started in 1064, when the Seljuk Turks took over Armenia... Thankfully, the same didn't happen in Artsakh.

I hope the Azeris get what they deserve... Armenia Demands Expelling Azerbaijan from UNESCO 25.02.2006 /PanARMENIAN.Net/ The All-Armenian Commission on Protection of Armenian Monuments has appealed to the international community demanding sending international troops to Nakhichevan, Azerbaijan, to preserve Armenian monuments and physically secure Nakhichevan Armenians, who want to return to their historical fatherland. The Commission also demands that research be held in Nakhichevan and Julfa to specify the number of historical and cultural monuments. «We demand expelling Azerbaijan from the UNESCO and other organizations. Azerbaijan should be made answerable before international structures for organizing a cultural genocide,» Commission Coordinator, historian Rafael Hambartsumyan said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/25/arts/television/25pbs.html

Yes, but it's not fair for us if such things are organized for the Armenian genocide, but not for the Jewish holocaust.

There should be Orthodox Christian/Apostolic Christian solidarity, not rivalry. Especially these days... But if the Georgians want to play, so be it.

If we had as much influence in governments and in the media as they did, it would have been very different. Since they have the power, they do whatever they want... Is that right? No. Do the Jews care? I don't think so.