Vigil

Yes, they are, but only when a "bus" explodes in Tel Aviv. A Armenian Church was blown up in Iraq, which has more relation to Americans, but yet how many channels covered it? Furthermore, was the coverage, equally, overexposed compared with a terrorist attack in Israel? When a bus explodes in Israel you have it labeled as "breaking news" and it lasts for almost the entire day. Later on you have an hour or so of "talking heads" discussing the threat to "Americans". My God, two of the "biggest" religions are waging war against one another, but yet there are no cameras in sight. Anileve, this is a direct example of how the "Elite Media" connects Israeli problems with that of the United States.

Edward, I agree with you.

Georgia, just became another "vets".

Armen, I do not agree with you. You are sentencing Armenians to death by "implying" that America "cares". The only thing America and the UK care about is how to get the most oil out of Azerbaijan and compared with our "NATO" neighbors we are fairing much better. Yes, let us take a look at our neighbors. Georgia, has not benefited by joining NATO and or drifting away from Russia. Last time I checked they are still in need of electricity, while, Azerbaijan, has not seen any of the "oil revenues" that were being promised by British Petroleum. (Laugh) "Relations have improved"? You got to be joking, America, only wants to use Armenia to isolate Russia. Listen, the day America accepts the AG is the day I will consider furthering our relations with America. Listen, Armen, I will use Iran as a example. When the "Shah" was in power you had Nixon and Carter visiting Iran like every weekend, but right when they ousted him the same American government that benefited from the oil exports from Iran was the same one that denied him political asylum. Do you know why they denied him "political asylum"? Because Khomeini threatened to place a oil embargo on any nation that granted him asylum. The only country that was brave enough to give him asylum was Egypt and only because he needed to get treatment for his tumor. Lets go further back in time. When the "Shah" was ousted the first time, the CIA forcefully implemented a coupdeta in order to bring him back into power. Is this what you call "democracy"? Just look at Iraq. In the seventies and eighties, Iraq, was one of America's most trusted allies in the Middle East. In fact there are pictures of Bush Senior shaking hands with Saddom, but what has happened to Iraq today? These same scenarios have occurred through out much of the 20th century. You know most of the "scrap metal" that the Japanese used during WW2 was sold to them by America? No, I am sure you did not know that and furthermore, I am sure you would not believe me if I stated that much of the reason Japan became a nationalistic military power was because of America. Much of their arms that was sold to Japan during the early 20th century came from America. When America was selling arms to Japan to use against the Russians during the Russo-Japanese war where these ideals of “democracy” then? Listen, Armen, I myself am as patriotic and supportive of the ideals of democracy, even though, at times it may seem like Democracy is a failure, but in no way do I support America's foreign policy. America is a beautiful country. The people are very sincere in their efforts to promote democracy abroad is admirable, but the "democracy" they promise is only as good as the efforts made by their government to provide it. Historically the chances of Armenia being betrayed by the Russians compared with America is far less. Historically, the United States, has betrayed almost all the "allies". Let me ask you, Armen, besides Turkey, Israel, and the United Kingdom, what countries have benefited from her actions? Like I stated earlier if Armenians are as stupid to depend on "western" powers again, then, Armenia will become the "vets" of America and her allies, namely, Turkey. America wants Turkey to somewhat "govern" the Caucasus as opposed of it being under Russian influence. In a way America is implementing her Imperialistic foreign policy through Turkey. Now, the Georgians and Azeri's, my find living under Turkey "ok", but we all know that Turkey will have a very bias "stance" towards Armenia and even more so towards Artsahk. Basically, outside of transferring oil and or using Armenia for military purposes I see no reason why we should betray our long time standing ally, Russia, for a country that in the past has sided with our Enemy. Armen, I fail to see you're logic? So, far, we have faired much better then our neighbors that have "sold us out" to Turkey, Israel, and the United States. Should Armenia try to better their relations with the US? Yes, BUT SHOULD ARMENIA DO IT AT THE EXPENSE OF SOURING OUR RELATIONS WITH RUSSIA? NO In short, America will always support Turkey because "Turkey" is the weaker country. If Turkey was as large as Russia and or had the geopolitical influence of Russia, America, would support Russia. This is the first and foremost rule of politics. You always support the weaker contender against the stronger. This is mainly the logic behind supporting Israel, in that, by supporting Israel they are indirectly "fending off" the Arab oil monopoly. Armen, think about it like this, why would a small country like Israel need 150 nukes? Why would a nation like Turkey need so much "military" assistance from America? However, ultimately, the United State's foreign policy will bite it in her ass due to the fact that Israel is selling secrets and arms to our rivals like China. Turkey on the other hand is using the America generosity to "get into the EU", but once Turkey gets in, you can say good bye to her America relations because at the very end the EU is economic rivals. Turkey, will, either, sell out America and or the EU. Furthermoe, the main EU member state that needs to be please is France and at the moment "France" and "America" are on bad terms. However, by sticking with Russia I am pretty sure Armenia has a better chance of entering the EU if that is what she desires because of the fact that Russian and French relations are much better then American and Frence relations. Sorry, Armen, I do not agree with you.

Georgia Army to buy Tavor assault rifle The Tavor will replace the Kalashnikov. Georgia is negotiating with IMI to set up a local ammunition factory. Felix Frisch 2 Aug 04 10:20 Besides Israel, Georgia will apparently be the second country after India to buy Israel Military Industries' (IMI) Tavor assault rifle. Republic of Georgia president Mikhail Saakashvili reportedly made the announcement during a visit to IMI last week. The Georgia Army will procure several hundred Tavor rifles for its special forces. Senior IMI sources said the Georgia Army planned to later increase the order for other units, in addition to its special forces. The Georgia Army has used the Soviet-built Kalashnikov AK-47 assault rifle, since Georgia was part of the USSR until 1991. All Georgia Army units use various versions of the Kalashnikov. Defense sources said Georgia was considering setting up an ammunition factory in the country in cooperation with IMI, to meet its military needs. Negotiations on the subject are underway. Published by Globes [online] - www.globes.co.il - on August 2, 2004 http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/doc...=820261&fid=942

Can one of the mobs please fix the title of the thread, thanks.

This is an interesting blog. I wish them the best of luck. http://aaw2005.blogspot.com/

At least we all agree that Bush is a moron!

Ara, for the record I do not hate "Turks" and or "Jews", but rather, I mistrust them. My entire argument is that you're writings contradict one another because at one end you condemn Turks for their actions, but at another you support them by justifying what they did? It is not progressive to hate the Turks of today, but the fact that they "deny" what they did is what that has fueled the fire. Furthermore, their government is as nationalistic as Nazi Germany, so, Armenians have a God given right to mistrust them. Ara, there just is no way to reconcile with a population that is out to create a Pan-Turkish nation at the expense of Armenian independence. Armenians are not the aggressors and quit implying that they are. I am not here wearing an "I hate Turkey" T-Shirt, but someone has to acknowledge what happened in the past. The worlds has to, either, accept the Armenian recollection of the events or the Turkish, but one has to be the dominant version of those historic events. However, you are right in that Armenians were taking steps towards liberation, but can you blame them?

American-Hye, I only assumed that you were homosexual, but even if you were homosexual, I would still accept you as a Armenian because in my opinion homosexuality is a form of handicap. Furthermore, no one should know what you do in you're private life. However, trying to imply that being homosexual is "normality" is as wrong as a Armenian trying to convince the Armenian community to accept a half Armenian as a Armenian. In short, American-Hye, I have no right to judge the actions of another person, but at the very end a apple is a apple and a orange is a orange, so, to assume that a apple can be the equivalent of a orange is inconsistent. The apple is not better than the orange, but in no way will they have the same taste, scent, and appearance. Why seek my approval? Why don't you ask a Jew to define what a Jew is? In fact let us take a look at how Jews define a Jew: "As a result of the long and varied history of the Jews, it is difficult to define a Jew. For example, there is no such thing as a Jewish race. Anyone born to a Jewish mother, or anyone who has converted to Judaism according to Jewish law, is a Jew. Many people define Jews as a persons who consider themselves Jews." American-Hye, by default they win. See for a Jew preserving their Jewishness by "blood" is a impossible feat due to the fact that there is no such thing as "Jewish blood". They resort to technicalities and illegitimate means to increase their population, but fail to realize that great civilizations have crumbled because they promoted diversity. In fact in Israel they are implemented a "cast system" in which Ethiopian Jews are being used for labor and military posts, while the "whiter" Jews seek seats in politics. They are basically trying to use the "backwards" notions of a "lost tribe of Israel" to convert mass populations worldwide. Recent reads indicate that the Israeli government is looking for the next "lost tribe of Israel" in China. They have zeroed in on a Chinese community of 30 million. Now, 30 million for the Chinese in terms of population is a drop in the bucket, but 30 million for Israel will guarantee their survival. They are trying to do the same thing to Armenians and Kurds by using genetic tests to connect us with Turks (from Turkey) and Ashkenazi Jews. Yes, Turks (from Turkey) and Ashkenazi Jews are related to Armenians genetically, but keep in mind that Turks (from Turkey) and Ashkenazi Jews migrated through Armenia and or the surrounding areas at one point in their past. The sharing of our "genes" was only one way, which is why you will never see the same genetic similarities in Turks from Asia and or Sephardic Jews. The only way I will buy this as a legitimate indication that Jews, Turks, and Armenians are related is if Armenians had a genetic connection with isolated tribes of Turks and Jews or the ones that historically have never been in Armenia. See this is the flat out racist and prejudice stuff the Jewish academia tries to do, which forces me to mistrust them. Why promote diversity and at the same time conduct genetic tests to discredit Armenians? The bottom line is that there can never be a truly "egalitarian" civilization. We can have a the illusion of a "equality", but to actually achieve it would mean committing a cultural and racial genocide on the scales never seen before. See you would not notice this because in the "west" the Jewish academia promotes "diversity", but the same "diversity" is not so widespread in Israel. See in order for Jews to truly be "Gods chosen people" they must be the "oldest" of "Gods people", but how can they be the "oldest" if Armenians predate them? They want to rewrite history in their own image, which, ultimately, places them as the "most ancient" civilization. Furthermore, they exclusively label themselves as the founders of the belief in "one god" when archeological evidence has shown that their scriptures are based on the writings by previous civilizations. At the very end a Jew will always pledge his loyalty to Israel. Just look at the Jewish community in Armenia. They have their Israel why are they in Armenia? I mean what possible reason is there for Jews to create and strengthen "Jewish life" in Armenia? Israel has more jobs and opportunities, so, why come to Armenia? The only possible reason I see is that they want to directly connect themselves with the economies of other nations because once this is done Jews will indirectly gain geopolitical power. This in essence is what the ultimate goal of Zionism is because once Armenia becomes "Jewified", we will see our own national interest become second to those of Israel and her allies. This is why America holds a bias stance towards Israel. Jews have a lot of assets in American banks, which means it would be economic suicide to oppose them. Just recently Ariel Sharon threatened France by calling all French Jews back to Israel, now, why would he do that? See everyone in the world is a slave to Israel, Jews, and Zionism. There is no way to "fight back". Our tax dollars go towards funding Israel and "Jewisness" world wide. As Armenians, we support the very same Jewish lobby that is trying to eradicate race, culture, and ethnicity because once this is done they will remain as the sole ethnicity, race, and culture. If you think I am paranoid, so be it, but I will never ever trust a Jew.

Gamavor, to be honest I do not care and have no "preference", but I just can not say that a "otar" wife will the equivalent of a "Armenian" in terms of "preserving" the heritage. How hard is that to understand? I am not justifying my actions. Furthermore, I feel that for me to assume that an "otar" will hold no "drawbacks" is inconsistent. It is inconsistent for me to assume that by decision to marry a "otar" is equivalent of not marrying a "otar". I don’t want to get back into this subject, so, I am going to end it here. You can do what you want with you’re life, but the fact remains that you’re line will only be part Armenian. This entire thread leads me to believe that that some members are trying very hard to convince themselves rather then convincing me. If you think you are right why you are defending or justifying you’re decisions? Why try and use technicalities? I am facing the reality and, ultimate, consequence of my decision, but are the rest of you facing them as well?

Yes, they can.

Armen, persuade her with what? Using Armenia as a Turkish, Israeli, and American military satellite, so, that they can further isolate Russia? Like I stated earlier, in the long run it would be more beneficial for Armenia to have good relations with Russia as opposed to America. In fact the recent drift between America and France, makes sticking to Russia a safer bet in that through Russian they may one day join the EU, but sticking to a nation that directly supports you're rival is just suicide. However, I am not blaming Americans and or stating that what they are doing is wrong because supporting Turkey is a good geopolitically investment, but morally, it is a bad decision. Seaphan, I just do not like the way you buy into this entire propaganda of how the Iraqi opposition is a terrorist group. If Turkish soldiers and tanks occupied Armenia, I am sure; you would be singing a different tune. Their is no reason why America has stationed itself in Iraq and is "rebuilding" Iraq by signing contracts with American construction firms when the only reason Iraq needs “rebuilding” is because of American bombs. To you they may be terrorists, but to the Iraqis they are a liberation front. Like to us Monte was a “freedom fighter” and to the rest of the world he was a known terrorist. I just want you to be consistent with you’re views, that is all. In no way am I "supporting" terrorism, however, to solely blame the actions on the Armenians is wrong because of the fact that Armenians have been living in some Islamic nations with no problems. However, to blame everything on Islam and or call it an "evil" religion is, equally, wrong and no different then radical Muslims labeling Christianity with a “evil” co-notation. The bottom line is that when you ever you approach a problem with "aggression" you will always be confronted with "aggression". The American foreign policy is “aggressive” and Imperialistic. If Americans want terrorism to stop they must stop providing weapons to Israel and Turkey. Furthermore, they must stop meddling in the affairs of other nations. In no way does America have the moral justification to invade any country and like John Kerry implied, Americans should first decide if their actions are on the side of God before they assume that they are indeed doing “Gods work” because we all know that a true Christian will never succumb to blackmail. Arabs are not stupid and know that all the weapons used against them were supplied by the Americans. If America wants "world peace" it should stop selling arms to feuding countries. In fact it should stop selling arms period, but because the bombs are not dropped on Washington D.C., it finds it "ok". Furthermore, it should have a more "universal" foreign policy instead of putting her thumb on nations that may not see, eye to eye, with her. So, when one of these "arms" is used against her, she should have seen it coming. The only problem is that now, Israel, has made this into a war on Islam instead of Terror. They have successfully connected their regional problems to that of Americas. In short, I just find it strange that these "terrorist" do not attack Russia, China, and the rest of world, but solely "terrorize" America, Israel, and Turkey. Now, Armenians are being used as a tool to justify America’s aggression and at the same time the Iraqi opposition is using them as a way of “protesting”. Domino, I have my "energy and determination" in the right place, so, quit trying to assume I am wrong. America will never accept Armenia as a geopolitical ally and if they do it will be on their terms, which means it will be under the terms and jurisdiction of their allies, including, Turkey, Israel, and Azerbaijan. Listen, Gamavor, I will take the above comment with a grain of salt, however, be warned, tone it down a bit because I am not insulting you and or you're friends. In fact you have supported me in the past and I respect you. In fact I respect everyone on these forums, but because I am not quickly influenced by "propaganda" and or the "media", you look at me with a negative co-notation No, I do not need anyone’s help and I am only referring to geopolitical relations and yes, Armenia needs geopolitical allies because at this point if it was not for the fact that the EU, Iran, and Russia see Armenia as a counter weight to American, Turkish, and Israeli influence in the region, Armenia, would have become Turkey's "vets". The only force stopping Armenia from being silenced on the world stage is the fact that Russia still views Armenia as that last offensive front against American and Turkish influence in that region. However, once Armenia does settle its international inquiries with Turkey and Azerbaijan, it should push for a neutral foreign policy like Switzerland. Neutrality is the key to success on the world stage. Seaphan and the rest, this will be my last post on this thread. I just hope that Armenians are not stupid enough to further isolate Armenia from the rest of the world because by declarings it's own war against Islam they will further the rift between the rest of the world and the last time I checked the "rest of the world" does not only include America.

Yes, you are right, which is why by you're own logic Armenians would be foolish to "aid" Americans in Iraq because of the fact that their own interest will NEVER be achieved by allying themselves with America. Listen, when did I state that "they are helping Armenians because of our blue eyes"? All I am saying is that Iran, even though it is a radical Islamic nation, will help us more often in the long run compared with the United States.

Listen Gamavor, I am just letting you know that the moral degeneration you claim that is among Armenians is not because of the fact that they are Armenians, but because they live in a nation that is morally degenerating. Yes, no doubt that physical attraction is a must, but to force me to accept an "otar" as a Armenian is just wrong, this is my entire point. Like wise if a physically unattractive Armenian guy or girl may find it hard to find a Armenian mate, then by all means they can look else where, but to force someone like me to accept their mate as a "Armenian" is just ridiculous. Furthermore, I am not "blaming" African-Americans, but rather the media in general and yes, the media is the cause moral degeneration in this country. The fact of the matter is that corporations will support any form of advertising as long as it will promote the sale of their products even at the expense of morals. See these big corporations want to "spread globalization" and the only way this can be accomplished is by "promoting" assimilation. Listen, I am not going to derail the threat. I am just letting you know that Armenian-Americans, like any American, are a product of their environment. So, to imply that all Armenians are "bad" is inaccurate, when in fact the same moral degeneration is prevalent among all Americans.

Armen, I just feel that Armenians need to remain neutral in any concerns outside of their geopolitical realm. I want Armenia to adopt Switzerland's economic and geopolitical module of remaining neutral, however, if Armenia has to pick between America or Russia, It would be more beneficial for it to side with Russia. If Armenia sides with America then by default Armenia has to be under the watchful eyes of Turkey because America wants Turkey to be the "watch dog" of that region.

No, that is not what I am implying, but rather my point is that Armenians should just remain neutral like Turkey and should strengthen their ties with Russia and Iran because their interests coincide with Armenia’s. America will never confront Israel, Turkey, and Azerbaijan on the geopolitical field because of the fact that regionally Turkey’s and Israel’s regional dominance does not threaten America, but instead Turkey’s and Israel’s regional dominance directly confronts Russia’s and Iran’s interests. America will support the weaker of two regional powers, which at this point is Turkey. It is elementary politics to support the weaker nation against the stronger, which is why American will never want to see a weak Turkey and or Israel. I just do not like the fact that people like Sip blast Islam when some Muslim nations have helped Armenia more often then the "western" nations they patronize. It was these same “western” countries in Iraq that promised Armenians military aid during the 2 years it was a independent nation, but they were no where in sight when a threat emerged. Do not get me wrong Iran and Russia has done terrible deeds towards Armenians, but if I had to pick between Russia and American, I would pick Russia just for the shear fact that historically America has always betrayed any nation that did not hold the same geopolitical interests. The fact of the matter is that American is across two oceans, while Russia is only a few miles away from Armenia, so, in the long run being under the wing of Russia is more beneficial for Armenia.

Armen, American only gives 90 million to Armenia because it wants to save face if later on it may need to use Armenia for geopolitical reasons. 90 million is chump change for one trillion dollar GDP and furthermore, the amount it gives Turkey and Israel is far more in terms of aid, loans, and geopolitical leverage.

I have been "screwed" by foreigners and Armenians. Listen, Gamavor, just because a Armenian has "screwed" you those not mean that all Armenians are evil. The reason that they "screwed" you is because you are living in a "capitalistic" nation, which means that I can only move up the social ladder only if I step on you. This is "capitalism" for you. Furthermore, I know an Armenian man that was just recently been "screwed" by a African American. He gave this devoid Christian 100k because he thought he could trust him as a "Christian", but today this "Christian" is no where to be found. Am I supposed to label all Africans as "evil? No, of course not See this is the problem with Armenians. This goes back to Extrahye’s comment on how "Armenian guys sleep around". Armenian guys sleep around because in America "sleeping around" is advertised as social "norm". However, in no way am I for or against "sleep around", but to date an "otar" just because Armenian guys "sleep around" is illogical because the same "otar" you are dating does "sleep around". Instead, Armenian guys and girls should make it a social "norm" to "sleep" with one another, instead, of continuing this social disease that is separating them. I just find it funny that instead of fixing the social stigmas and problems, Armenians, would rather be ignorant for the sake of being ignorant. So what? The only reason the youth in general, including Armenians, act like pigs is because of the media. Just turn to MTV and you will see the same "pig like" actions that you are condemning. How come Armenians do not act this way in Armenia, Iran, or any where else besides America? The problem is that morals in America have degenerated and now this same degeneration is affecting Armenians. Gamavor, I agree with you, which is why I find it insulting that Armenians want to force their "Armenianess" onto "otars" by implying that they have to be "Armenian". This is the only problem I have because later on it becomes very hypocritical to explain to you're child that you should be Armenian. In short, if this continues Armenians will become a shadow of what they once were.

Yeah, the Armenian government is sending Trucks to Iran, but in no way will that actually "benefit" Armenia. The fact of the matter is that Armenia does not lie in the geopolitical future of America and her allies, namely, Turkey and Israel. In fact the recent drift between Turkey and Israel has been condemned by the United States. Armenians do not need to make more enemies, when we already are battling two fronts. Furthermore, helping Americans is a big waste of time and we all know why. Just the actions of the Republican Party towards the recent genocide amendment should be a signal to you "Pro-America” block that Armenia's interests are not favored by the United States or the UK.

Why are they smarter? Please humor me. So, by you're logic Armenians should commit a genocide and then deny it? Or when you mean smarter do you mean we should ignore other genocides and or deny them in order to "better" our relations with Americans? Seaphan, the same Jews that you protect are the same ones that have sold all of America's military secrets to China. The same Israeli nation that you envy is the same one that has tricked [edited out] yourself into believing that America is in a state of crisis. You know what the real threat to the "west" is? It is not Arabs, but Turks. If Turkey gets into the EU terrorists will have better access to Europe, but because Turkey’s entrance into the EU favors Israel, the Jewish lobby, supports it. Just the fact that this year alone there has been more than one terrorist attack in Turkey should signal to you the threat of Turkey towards Americans and Europe. The only reasons Arab countries are waging a "Jihad" against America is because America has a bias foreign policy. It is this bias foreign policy that not only plagues Arabs, but also Armenians. Yeah, when you were living under the Shah you had no complaints. Seaphan, you are a disgrace to Armenians. It was these same "Muslims" that built you a church, which still stands today and no, Armenians were never persecuted in Iran because they never meddled in the politics of the countries like the Iranian Jews did. At the start of the revolution they were facing a threat, but the fact remains that today it is Iran that is helping Armenia and not Israel. It is this Iranian Government that has even caught the eye of the Turkish PM. Turkey is trying desperately to better the relations with Iran, so, even the Turks that you envy are not as stupid as you to create more problems for themselves by meddling in the affairs of America. Edit: name calling edited out.

American-Hye, I have no problem with homosexual Armenians. In fact I have no quarrels with Armenians that are not Christians, unless of course they are Jews, then, I would never consider you Armenian. The reason that I do not consider Armenian Jews Armenian is because of the fact that being Jewish also means you are a Zionist. The only problem I have is when the "liberal block" feels that they can just convert an "otar" into an Armenian.

Seaphan, next time do not delete my posts. If my comments damage my image then so be it, but do not try and play public relations manager.

Seaphan, these were the same Muslims that you lived with for 500 years, so, quit implying that Muslims are evil. However, do not get me wrong I am in no way implying that Islam is better then Christianity, but do not forget that Muslims and Arabs have helped Armenians at times when Christians and "Westerners" have turned a blind eye. This entire fiasco was caused by the "western" nations need for oil and the same "oil" seeking "westerners" in Iraq are the same ones protecting Azeri oil fields. In my opinion the responsible party is Bush and his administration. The same Turks that butchered you're ancestors were the same ones that are being protected by America and Israel. Armenians should distance themselves from the actions of Americans and the English or else we may soon find ourselves confronting Arabs. So, in short, Armenians will never benefit if they ally themselves with these nations.

Listen, Nakharar, you do not have to be a backwards "Skinhead" or "KKK" member to be a "white national". I am in no way a "white national", but rather, I find the comments made by Turks on Stormfront an interesting read. Furthermore, if "Sevs" and "Yevry" have a right to impose their "Sevness" and "Yevryness" on "otars" then "Spitaks" have an equal right to maintain their "Spitakness". Quit labeling everything that is slightly "non PC" with a negative and racist co-notation. It is not like "Yevries" have done anything wonderful for Armenians. Furthermore, the same "Yevreies" you protect are the same ones that hold no mercy towards Armenians and their cause.