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And this one - a "love" poem (a little bit long, but bear with me... ) Two Loves I dreamed I stood upon a little hill, And at my feet there lay a ground, that seemed Like a waste garden, flowering at its will With buds and blossoms. There were pools that dreamed Black and unruffled; there were white lilies A few, and crocuses, and violets Purple or pale, snake-like fritillaries Scarce seen for the rank grass, and through green nets Blue eyes of shy peryenche winked in the sun. And there were curious flowers, before unknown, Flowers that were stained with moonlight, or with shades Of Nature's willful moods; and here a one That had drunk in the transitory tone Of one brief moment in a sunset; blades Of grass that in an hundred springs had been Slowly but exquisitely nurtured by the stars, And watered with the scented dew long cupped In lilies, that for rays of sun had seen Only God's glory, for never a sunrise mars The luminous air of Heaven. Beyond, abrupt, A grey stone wall. o'ergrown with velvet moss Uprose; and gazing I stood long, all mazed To see a place so strange, so sweet, so fair. And as I stood and marvelled, lo! across The garden came a youth; one hand he raised To shield him from the sun, his wind-tossed hair Was twined with flowers, and in his hand he bore A purple bunch of bursting grapes, his eyes Were clear as crystal, naked all was he, White as the snow on pathless mountains frore, Red were his lips as red wine-spilith that dyes A marble floor, his brow chalcedony. And he came near me, with his lips uncurled And kind, and caught my hand and kissed my mouth, And gave me grapes to eat, and said, 'Sweet friend, Come I will show thee shadows of the world And images of life. See from the South Comes the pale pageant that hath never an end.' And lo! within the garden of my dream I saw two walking on a shining plain Of golden light. The one did joyous seem And fair and blooming, and a sweet refrain Came from his lips; he sang of pretty maids And joyous love of comely girl and boy, His eyes were bright, and 'mid the dancing blades Of golden grass his feet did trip for joy; And in his hand he held an ivory lute With strings of gold that were as maidens' hair, And sang with voice as tuneful as a flute, And round his neck three chains of roses were. But he that was his comrade walked aside; He was full sad and sweet, and his large eyes Were strange with wondrous brightness, staring wide With gazing; and he sighed with many sighs That moved me, and his cheeks were wan and white Like pallid lilies, and his lips were red Like poppies, and his hands he clenched tight, And yet again unclenched, and his head Was wreathed with moon-flowers pale as lips of death. A purple robe he wore, o'erwrought in gold With the device of a great snake, whose breath Was fiery flame: which when I did behold I fell a-weeping, and I cried, 'Sweet youth, Tell me why, sad and sighing, thou dost rove These pleasent realms? I pray thee speak me sooth What is thy name?' He said, 'My name is Love.' Then straight the first did turn himself to me And cried, 'He lieth, for his name is Shame, But I am Love, and I was wont to be Alone in this fair garden, till he came Unasked by night; I am true Love, I fill The hearts of boy and girl with mutual flame.' Then sighing, said the other, 'Have thy will, I am the love that dare not speak its name.' Lord Alfred Douglas Note: those are the 2 poems that have influenced me MOST in my life.. and i identify with both.

Hello, Sirumemkez.. My all-time favourite poem is the following:

yeah, i go to York, but I'm on vacation now... she doesn't let me go out anywhere except for school. she's been threatening to kick me out.... yeah, i'm old enough, but i don't have enough money to support myself if she kicks me out. Edit note: ever wondered why I'm an internet freak? Well that's WHY.

lol Sip... hey, at least that would be a good thing to do... it would make ppl feel better lol.. instead of making them feel worse but i like it when i'm inside and it's snowing... OR, when i'm downtown and it's snowing at night.. it's great.. *sigh*

shopping? you mean window shopping? i don't have money, and besides, my mom wouldn't let me get out anyway... so yeah, my problem stems from there, i guess, but still.. i hate christmas because of that - everyone gets to go out except for me.. i hope it snows like crazy, so that everyone would stay home like i do.

Well, I am bored almost to tears, and for some odd reason (odd because it's not even the weekend ), no one's posting at the forum.. so hmm, I was wondering, what do you guys do when you're bored? Any tips/suggestions/techniques of beating this devil called boredom? I try to read a book, or find something interesting on the internet, but all of a sudden it seems to me like the entire web is dead too. I don't know why.. And I can't think about anything for more than a minute when I'm like that (bored?).. OK, well, I'm ADHD, but still... So what do you do to fight boredom? And does it work for you? I've tried almost everything (turning on the TV, surfing the web, reading, writing, listening to music, chatting with mom), but I get bored of it instantly (i.e. I turn on the TV, look at what's on for the night, then turn it off, even though my fav. programs would be on that night).. Anyone?

My depressed-all-the-time mood.

No, that's what I'm saying. My computer was off... and there are no strange programs/processes running... lol thanks.

Sip, I have used both, that's why I am pretty sure there's no dialers on it... besides, the call was initiated at midnight some time in september, and I don't think I would be staying up that late when there's school the next day...

So you're saying that all murders should basically end in capital punishment????? That doesn't put an end to it... U.S.A has capital punishment, and it still has one of the highest rates of crime in the world... it doesn't put an end to it.. Moreover, there are a lot of depressed/suicidal/"lifeless" people who don't care if they are put to death - on the contrary, they want it, and also want the satisfaction of killing someone (random or specific)... Remember, I am not advocating releasing murderers... So taking the law into one's own hands is irrelevant here.. Not everyone goes around shooting their relatives' killers... In fact, a very very small minority of people would do that. I personally wouldn't. I don't think I'd be able to shoot anyone based only on that, unless I'm a police officer confronted by a situation of a madman shooting at everyone in a mall or something.. But still, that's just my opinion, and I see where you're coming from, even though I don't agree.

Speaking of scams, etc., I recently got charged 100 dollars by my phone company for an international call to Nauru (?)... I didn't even know where Nauru was until I Googled it... The company told me I had a dialer on my computer, but so far, there is no sign of any dialers on it... So I filed a complaint with the telecom. commission against the company.. lol.. Bell Canada 'tis, in case inquiring minds wanted to know..

hehe What I would do is irrelevant. Let me rephrase that... I guess I didn't make my question clear enough - should revenge killing not be punished under the law then? Because if it should not be punished (i.e. if it is justified), then how can you make an exception for one murderer and imprison another for the rest of his life, considering that both are murders (i.e. taking of human life). No murder whatsoever can be totally justified under the law; morally maybe it may be, but law is not always about morality. In fact, it almost never is. Suppose someone killed someone else's relative, who in turn had killed that person's relative... now, do you think the relative of the guy (the one who was killed because he killed someone else) would want to see the the guy who killed his/her relative get away with it cos his murderous act would be justified by what his relative did to his killer's relative? And what would the result of "an eye for an eye" cycle be? Suppose that person who couldn't get justice for his/her relative goes and kills the killer, and so on... There has to be an end to it, don't you think?

yes, but if you're going to go by the eye for an eye philosophy, then would revenge murders be justified too?

w.r.t initial question about death penalty... i'm not decided on the issue, so i say give the prisoner the choice of death or life imprisonment... or something along those lines.. just my 2 cents.

no no Sasun jan... that's a good thing. then you'd have an excuse for actually not getting anyone anything.

Stormy, I'm not saying "no". I'm simply pondering how it might be conducted. i.e. methods.

Stormy, you're using the slippery slope fallacy. e.g: "If we pass laws against fully-automatic weapons, then it won't be long before we pass laws on all weapons, and then we will begin to restrict other rights, and finally we will end up living in a communist state. Thus, we should not ban fully-automatic weapons." Where does one draw the line? Where consent is no longer used. Personally, I have no issues with polgamy/polyamory. It's none of my business who people make love to in their bedrooms, and whether or not there are more than 2 people in bed.. And if there are churches that bless polygamous marriage, then more power to those who want to get married. No one is forcing the entire society to become polygamous or homosexual. You see my point?

i hate hate hate ice cream and I can't drink milk. hmmm... let's see... chocolate (cote d'or, toblerone, cadbury) and of course - coffee! (yes, that is why i have trouble sleeping... toooooo much coffee in my system) when i'm really nervous, i go on chocolate binges - i think chocolate makes people more nervous? I don't know... but it does comfort me most of the time lol.

:lol2: omg... the second one was great. hahahah....

Welcome back, Hye Acher. lol... I'm done for the year too.. Enjoy your vacation.

I think it's cool. I wouldn't do that myself, but heck, it's cool with me. Edit note: But then there arises the question of who gets married to whom. Do all 3 get married to one another?

when it comes down to things like that (i.e. when someone asks me for an opinion, esp. about beauty, etc.), I am brutally honest. And more often than not, it lands me into big trouble. edit note: I dislike people who want an "honest opinion" and then get mad when you tell them the truth they don't wanna hear...

I would lie only if it's a life aim we're talking about - i.e. getting into Air Force. They ask us if you've ever smoked weed, etc., and yes, I would lie, because my dream is to get in, and if I tell the truth I will lose the chance/opportunity. Other than that, I'd try to tell the truth.. but still, i'm not sure if I can be successful at it. depends on the situation and my instincts/reaction at the time.

I know. A lot of bisexuals are basically shunned from the gay community because they have had or are having affairs with the opposite sex... as if the opposite sex is our enemy.. I don't like that mentality at all. It gives the wrong image of us as intolerant people. And well, there is a lot of intolerance within our own community... That is one of the reasons I have stopped my involvement with the gay community here in Toronto. I was disappointed by the amount of intolerance directed at specific groups such as bisexuals, transsexuals, and heterosexuals. It's as if only gays and lesbians are the normal ones. Talk about the oppressed becoming oppressors. Even group names like AGLA, GALAS, etc. go to show how restricted and exclusive the range is... I don't know.. And I agree with America-Hye about the issues of homophobia, biphobia, transphobia etc. that should be put first rather than marriage... But I guess there is a time for everything, and fighting the former doesn't happen overnight, whereas the marriage issue can be sorted out once there is enough political pressure.. But yeah, I want to get married to a man and adopt a kid if we could. I'm not sure if gays are allowed to adopt, and if not, that would be another issue we have no rights in..

Stormy, So those hetero couples who are infertile should be prevented from getting married? ... That is incorrect. Marriage exists in all religions and even in tribes that did not really have institutionalized religion.. The only reason I might not approve of incest is because it might produce abnormal babies.. other than that, it's not up to me to determine what is moral and what is immoral, as long as it is an act both parties consent to (which is why I disapprove of pedophilia).. So the only reason for getting married is to breed? ... I highly doubt that. There are a lot of couples out there who get married but don't want to have babies. The unfair laws. If I want to get married, I should have the right to do so. I might not go and get married even if I had the right to, but I want to have that avenue open to me. A lot of gay couples don't want to get married, but why prevent those who want to get married? A lot of hetero couples don't get married in church, is that a good reason to take away the rights of marriage from all hetero couples? We all have choices, and we just want to be able to get married when we want to. No. Inheritance or money have nothing to do with it. Common law unions cover that, or at least I think they do. The point is, religion is not as straightforward as you think it is. A lot of people are Christians who pick and choose from the set of beliefs of each church, and have their own version of Christianity. Some of them go to Church too. Going to a church does not imply agreeing with all the actions of that church as an institution. Point is, a Muslim might convert to Christianity for various reasons, perhaps to get married to a Christian woman, perhaps for any other reason we may not be aware of.. I don't know. Why is the tangible value futile? I don't understand.. I mean, it might not be of value to you, but it definitely is for a lot of people. And I don't understand how gay marriages can shake the foundation of marriage........ that's beyond me. We are not forcing any church to bless our marriages. We know full well that not everyone approves or will approve of our behaviour and lifestyle, but there are churches out there that conduct/bless gay marriages, and they have stood by us through the good and bad times. So why not?