Sasun Posted June 28, 2004 Report Share Posted June 28, 2004 You wrote an explanation regarding this, but could you please elaborate what you meant with this? This is not only very intriguing, but are you on to something that the rest of us mortals have failed to understand, not to mention countless philosophers who have been grappling with these issues since time immemorial. How can something metaphysical be explained and systematized? Don't take my remarks as sarcasm, which I can assure they are not, but you seem to put a lot of "faith" on yoga if you purport it to be an advanced form of religion, if not science. By practicing yoga one develops the capacity of direct perception of the truths in and around us. The ordinary way of learning is through using senses. Philosophers do not go behind sense perception, thinking and reasoning, and commonly known religion is just initial steps in going beyond reason. That is how yoga is different from those two. (Note that I am not talking about Hatha Yoga which is a practice for the body aimed only at health and long life. I am talking about internal yoga). Yoga is a very large subject and I could not possibly explain. More importantly, a yogi is best positioned to explain yoga. Here is something about one branch of yoga, namely Raja Yoga written by Swami Vivekananda, an accomplished yogi. He was an educated person and a contemporary, it is easy to understand his mindset because he has written to western taste and ways of thinking. I don't know anyone else who has explained yoga to the intellectually oriented better than Vivekananda. If you read all these sections in the links I think you will see what I mean. Oh, and by systematized I meant that yoga as a discipline is systematized. Here is another book on yoga which I plan to read, I have heard very good things about it and the author http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0876120516.01._PE20_PI_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted June 28, 2004 Report Share Posted June 28, 2004 Well, it maybe a personal opinion that what religion is saying is not true. But what I am saying, religion as it is provides both predictability and repeatability. My opinion and opinions of many others is that religion is true, and your opinion is that it is not true. But that's not the point. As for facts, there are facts, you just don't know them... As for yoga, this is something more verifiable... Domino, you practice meditation. I don't know why exactly you practice but surely you have some purpose and expect/predict that it will happen if you continue practicing. I am guessing your purpose is to gain knowledge. If that's the case, every meditation expert will say that you are doing the right thing. Yoga is more serious, simple meditation that most people practice is just a very light version of (internal) yoga. Nakharar, I will address your post a little later. Er? predictability and repeatability? How? As for me saying religion is not true. I never did such, for me it is irrelevent to ask if religion is true or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted June 28, 2004 Report Share Posted June 28, 2004 (edited) Er? predictability and repeatability? How? I just said above... hmm... are you trying to confuse me Domino? Just to be on the same page, please explain what do you mean by predictability and repeatability. Particularly, when you say religion does not have those, what do you mean? As for me saying religion is not true. I never did such, for me it is irrelevent to ask if religion is true or not. OK, I am confused again. What did you mean by saying "As for the rest of your post Sasun, it is rather based on personal opinion than facts. You can make religion look like you want... "? I am assuming like everyone you must know the basic things about religions. Or do you think each person has an individual religion based on his/her opinion? Edited June 28, 2004 by Sasun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 I just said above... hmm... are you trying to confuse me Domino? Just to be on the same page, please explain what do you mean by predictability and repeatability. Particularly, when you say religion does not have those, what do you mean? OK, I am confused again. What did you mean by saying "As for the rest of your post Sasun, it is rather based on personal opinion than facts. You can make religion look like you want... "? I am assuming like everyone you must know the basic things about religions. Or do you think each person has an individual religion based on his/her opinion? Predicability is when you can predict something, and repeatability is when you can rpeat an experiment or the same observation can happen again after being predicted etc... Religion can not. . As for your second paragraph. No, not everyone has a different religion, agnostics don't, as well as Fadixists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 Predicability is when you can predict something Religion predicts that if you practice religion you will be saved (I won't elaborate). and repeatability is when you can repeat an experiment or the same observation can happen again after being predicted etc... If the practice of religion is your experiment, then everyone can do this experiment on himself/herself and achieve the same results as everyone else (I won't elaborate). Thus the experiment can be repeated. Religion can not. Religion can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 Oh, come on Sasun, PP_LEASE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 (edited) Oh, come on Sasun, PP_LEASE. What is this Domino??? You demand valid arguements but you are not offering any here. Like I said, you don't believe it, but that's what religion says, and it is true. This is not an empty claim, it is based on factual premises, the only thing is that you may not be able to see the facts because you have no access to them unless certain conditions are in place (hence your sarcastic utterance which only indicates that you don't really know much on the subject ). You can only know if you do the "experiment" Likewise, you can read a book on electromagnetism and believe what it says, or you can do all the necessary experiments and make logical conclusions yourself, then believe that the theories of electromagnetism are true. Edited June 29, 2004 by Sasun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 The Sermon on the Mount has been taken totally out of context. Just as the "turning of the other cheek". Jesus was one of the first revolutionaries, I will spare the reasons and details. He was a revolutionary in the same sense as Gandhi and M.L. King who advocated non-violent and peaceful confrontation, and as one can see they were all successful as they had recognized that violence only begets more violence. Jesus' "blessed are the peacemakers" was in fact a muffled and subdued invitation to revolution, escept that he advocated "peaceful" methods, such as civil diobedience, sit-ins and the like. And we, as stupid as we are gobbled it all, lox, stox and bagel** and lay down our weapons to be massacred day after day. When are we going to learn to read the TEXT as it was intended? ** A play on "lock, stock and barrel". In case we need to know it refers to the lock, stock and barrel of a musket/rifle. Sit ins?? You dont know what the hell your talking about... and beware of what lies above as you joke and mock this matter, which you do not even understand.. the least you can do is use quotes from the Bible like THOT... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 (edited) I dont know how much any of you know about the Bible, but if you know anything and are ready to criticise and mock whatis written in the devine literate pages of the Bible.. then you better be ready to answer for it.. and know what you are saying.. none of anything of what is the original post of this thread makes any sense, it is childish mockery, and if anyone knew what the book of leviticus was written for then you would feel like complete idiots, fools, morons,, ignorant people.. for making fun of it.. your mockery makes no sense, and holds no ground, all you are doing is making childish jokes from devine literature.. i hope you are ready for the consenquences... and if this post offends you, then so be it.. you talked without knowing what you are talking about... and people ike THOT who claim to have read the Bible especially sound like idiots and full of ignorence, because it is obviouse from what you are saying and what type of verses you are mocking .. that you know nothing.. Edited June 29, 2004 by gevo27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted June 30, 2004 Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 Sit ins?? That was indeed very funny Gevo jan, chill down, its OK. If anyone has to go to hell or receive a punishment so be it. But let's not cause controversies and war of words, since "blessed are the peacemakers" We can choose to create hell in the forum, or a heaven. The rest is God's business as to where we will go when we die Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted June 30, 2004 Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 That was indeed very funny Gevo jan, chill down, its OK. If anyone has to go to hell or receive a punishment so be it. But let's not cause controversies and war of words, since "blessed are the peacemakers" We can choose to create hell in the forum, or a heaven. The rest is God's business as to where we will go when we die well im not making war.. im going home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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