Sip Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 If you guys are talking about Nick Berg, he was a civilian engineer and not a soldier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted May 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 If you guys are talking about Nick Berg, he was a civilian engineer and not a soldier. yah, so were many Iraqis killed during the occupation and 90% of those detained. Im gettin tired of this discussion its just going in circles, Im sorry I ever started this thread, should just keep to my old motto: politics is a waste of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 (edited) If you guys are talking about Nick Berg, he was a civilian engineer and not a soldier. My mistake. Acc. we can go on with this thing by trying to find the most barbarious way of killing. I really didn't thought that I would need to explain the difference to anyone. That person is there knowing he will be killed by sick b.astards that are too much retarded to make the difference between civilians and combatants. I am not saying soldier here, because for me there is no difference between a civilian and a soldier that is not in the middle of a fight. Edited May 13, 2004 by Fadix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted May 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 That person is there knowing he will be killed by sick b.astards that are too much retarded to make the difference between civiliens and combatants. Yes, their all retards arnt they? All Iraqis, Palestinians, in fact all Arabs. And since we could pass for Arabs most of the time, I guess that would also make us retards. I call on the moderators to close this thread.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 (edited) Where have I said that? Acc. I was talking about the terrorists, I know that you are propably disgusted of this word that has been used at noseum to the point that it lost its meaning. Edited May 13, 2004 by Fadix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 BTW acc. I like your new avatar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted May 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 Where have I said that? Acc. I was talking about the terrorists yes I know you didnt say that, I think they (terrorist) know full well the difference between a civilian and a combatant and I agree that a civilian should not have been butchered in such a manner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted May 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 BTW acc. I like your new avatar. http://www.moi-alizee.com/uk/images/z3.jpg Alizee will save the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 Somehow I remember as though the inmates of the concentration camps during the Boer War(s?) were treated quite barbarically - and by whom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 So many things were said for Sip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 For those of you who think that the US does not follow the Geneva Convention I offer you this. A reported asked Donald Rumsfeld why they were not releasing the additional photographs and videos of the prisoners being mistreated and he replied that he had no problems releasing them but felt that it would be against the Geneva Convention rules to do so. So there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 Very clever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 For those of you who think that the US does not follow the Geneva Convention I offer you this. A reported asked Donald Rumsfeld why they were not releasing the additional photographs and videos of the prisoners being mistreated and he replied that he had no problems releasing them but felt that it would be against the Geneva Convention rules to do so. So there... Yeah that's what I'd say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 So many things were said for Sip yeah - um - I'm not sure why that's the title of this thread. Juggs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted May 14, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 yeah - um - I'm not sure why that's the title of this thread. Juggs? long story.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted May 15, 2004 Report Share Posted May 15, 2004 Dr. Ani Kalayjian, professor of psychology at Fordham and a well known Armenian activist was just on CNN with Paula Zahan as a specialist of post traumatic stress syndrome, commenting on the humiliation and trauma caused by these incidents. She said that trauma such as these will affect many generations to come and to illustrate this she mentiomed that her mother still has flashbacks remembering her ancestors being raped and humiliated in 1915 when the Ottoman Turks were massacring Armenians. She did not use the G word though. BTW I think Ani is an aquaintance and colleague of MJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted May 15, 2004 Report Share Posted May 15, 2004 Crap. I wish I hadn't missed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted May 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2004 Who killed Nick Berg? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph parikian Posted May 30, 2004 Report Share Posted May 30, 2004 'The idea exists that Iraqis are not like us' A Briton tortured by Pinochet's secret police sees parallels with alleged abuses carried out by the US and UK military. By Mark Oliver Wednesday May 12, 2004 A British woman who was tortured in Chile in the 1970s today likened the abuse allegations engulfing the US and British military to the horrors committed in the name of General Augusto Pinochet's regime. And for Sheila Cassidy, 66, the word "abuse" is insufficient. "It is torture," she said. Gen Pinochet's victims were subjected to a kaleidoscope of horrors, including electrocutions and sexual abuse. Some were tied to ropes and pulled along the ground by helicopters, or cut open and thrown into the sea. Dr Cassidy, from Plymouth, was 37 and working as a doctor in Santiago when she was taken away to be tortured by Chilean secret police. They questioned her about dissident priests, and about an opponent of the regime whom she had treated for a bullet wound and who she feared would be killed if she divulged information. Her torture included electric shocks, which she said made it especially upsetting to see images of a hooded Iraqi prisoner apparently connected to electrical wires. She said she was not surprised by the current scandal, and would not be shocked if worse allegations came to light. Dr Cassidy said she had been following recent reports and found distressing echoes of Chile under Gen Pinochet. "I think it's very similar," she said. "For example, the business of stripping people naked - torture is about pain and humiliation. Being naked renders you vulnerable." Dr Cassidy said that to be stripped naked would be especially humiliating for Muslims. "It's very dehumanising." She added: "In one recent report I heard that people in Iraq were suspended by their feet. This is torture. "I have an enormous sadness that the American and the British should sink to torture," she said. "In Chile they used electric shocks and so-called 'submarine treatment', where they would sink your head in water or human waste. "In Iraq they may not be using electric shocks or submerging people's heads but I would not be surprised if they were." Dr Cassidy has worked as a human rights campaigner, and campaigned hard for Gen Pinochet to face trial. During her medical career she spent more than 20 years helping terminally ill people, most recently at a hospital in Plymouth, where she now lives. During that time she helped set up a Plymouth-based charity, Jeremiah's Journey, which helps bereaved children. She says the children of torture victims are also affected by the abuse suffered by their parents. The Red Cross has said that between 10,000 and 15,000 Iraqis may be in coalition custody. The coalition was criticised by the Red Cross for not always immediately informing families that people had been held. Dr Cassidy said: "One of the things we used to see in Chile was when they rounded up several hundred men, and then tortured them overnight, and then let them go. That was used as a tactic of repression, arresting large numbers of people for brief periods of time, and I understand similar has been happening in Iraq. What these recent images have shown is that the idea exists among some that Iraqi men, women and children are not the same as us, are not family like us." Even before the recent scandal, Dr Cassidy feared the Americans were using torture at Guantánamo Bay. But she was surprised at allegations of torture against British troops and was especially saddened that a female US soldier was pictured pointing and smiling in some of the abuse "trophy" pictures featuring naked Iraqis. Dr Cassidy - who has said that she can forgive those who hurt her, but not those who gave the orders - said she suspected that those carrying out the torture had been following instructions from senior colleagues. "It would not surprise me if [the orders to torture prisoners] had come from the top. People at the top order this and then clear their consciences that they are not doing it. People get trained how to do torture. Some of the Chileans learned from people from Brazil - it's systematic." Dr Cassidy knows about the long-term psychological damage by torture. She says: "Torture never leaves you. Thirty years down the line I'm extremely mentally well, [but] just now I was walking the dog by the sea and walking back I saw on one of the buildings the kind of low-down windows that are at street level. "It reminded me of when I was being held in a basement with similar windows. It's a powerful thing to see feet going by in a street and the world going on as normal while at the same time you are a prisoner. "Torture is not just a one-off, something that happens one day. There is the post-traumatic stress it causes, to different degrees in different people. It's always there." http://www.guardian.co.uk/chile/story/0,13...1215017,00.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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