Harut Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 do you think there is any difference between sacrificing the present for the future and sacrificing the future for the present? which one do you prefer and why? what about in global scale? should we qua human sacrifice our present for the future or vis versa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 I think in the end everything comes down to sacrificing for the future, whether you sacrifice today or not. In emergency situations, you may sacrifice the future to save the day, but that doesn't mean you won't have any future. I just means it might not be of the quality you had intended it to be, but oh well, crap happens, and you might not have had a future if you hadn't sacrificed that day. One always has to plan for the future. Else, in time, to get where you want things to be, you spend more time, energy, and money. But when I say plan, I don't mean turn into a fkn OCD. That poisons yours and everyone's present and future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 Barev Sireli Hayer jan! I think that we should prefer to sacrifise the future for the present. Ofcourse we sould think about the future and prepare for the future y getting educated in the present and learn from the past. But, the past is the past and the present is a moment that is guaranteed. The future is something the we can have no influence on. The future is in the hands of God. So, I would say, live in the present and not in the future! Davo The past is past, the present is present, and the future is future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 I'm afraid that Davo's philosophy is the one that predominates - especially in world politics/economics. We (as a global society) are constantly sacrificing our well-being in the furture for current convenience/profit... one has only to look at the environment to see a prime example. But I wholeheartedly disagree that the furture is something we have no influence on - on the contrary we should plan carefully to endure that the future will continue to remain bright for generations to come. Living for the moment can be great - and is immediately gratifying, but there is something to be said about resposibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 (edited) I think we have some influence on future but not a full control of it. Hence it is best to control our future as much as we can. It really depends on the individual. Both present and future are part of our lives, so why not pay attention to both? At the same time, what is really "future"? It is actually unknown "present" that will come later on and we can't do much about it. But we have the most control on present, so concentrating on the present and utilizing the opportunities of the present seems the right thing to do. As far as utilizing the present is concerned, everyone will behave differently even if all agree that present is more important, so they will have different futures in the end. All these are mere speculations. We think that we may control the present or the future. In reality we can barely control some of the present, and rarely the future. Spiritually speaking, the wise thing to do is to not worry about the future and live the present up to the best spiritual standards. That will guarantee the best possible future, so it is as if you have taken care of the future without worrying about it. That is possible because in most spiritual disciplines the future is imbedded in the spiritual practices that one has to carry out at present. Edited May 6, 2004 by Sasun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 do you think there is any difference between sacrificing the present for the future and sacrificing the future for the present? which one do you prefer and why? what about in global scale? should we qua human sacrifice our present for the future or vis versa? Well I dont see why we need to sacrfice either... i mean.. why do you say "sacrificeing the present for the future"?? I think what we do in the present is both very dependant on what we think for out future and ofcourse still what we do in the past is also for our comfort for that moment, or the very near future, like in the next few hours or so. So.. I dont see why we need to sacrifice one for the other, both are actually intera-dependant as i see it. Cause we do many things in our daily life that are influnced by "thinking ahead" which is for the future.. But we also do many things which are strictly for NOW... u guys understand my thinking here??? lol.. or am i just saying words that only make sense to me.. lol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 ... u guys understand my thinking here??? lol.. or am i just saying words that only make sense to me.. lol... Hehehehe Methinks we've had this conversation before LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Well I dont see why we need to sacrfice either... Gevo, it is a valid question. I understand it timewise, opportunity-wise... sometimes we have to make choices in what things to invest our time, money, etc. For example, a foolish child or a teenager will invest his time in playing rather than going to school. That means he doesn't sacrifice his present for the future. If he escapes from class to eat icecream there you go, he sacrificed his future for the present icecream. But imagine how many more icecreams he would likely eat had he done well at school, gotten a degree and had a nice job... but you never know, maybe he was going to die before getting any job, so he would rather eat all the icecream he could at present rather than work hard for the future which turned out not to exist for this lifetime. Or maybe, he would win a lottery and have sufficient funds for the rest of his life not to work at all and eat as many icecreams as he wished... so one thing is clear from this picture, that the future is simply unknown and uncontrollable. What shall we do then? We must do the right thing at present. Too much icecream is never good, neither at present nor in the future. So have one icecream for today. And never miss your classes, even if a 100% certain death is waiting for you tomorrow - studying and gaining knowledge is always the right thing to do, so do it now. Do the right thing at any moment and do not worry about the future. This shall be my philosophy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 u guys understand my thinking here??? lol.. or am i just saying words that only make sense to me.. lol... aper im kartsiqov qo gratsits du el ban ches haskanum heriq xosas mi bajak ban jari xmenq tnashen ~~ vayyyyy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted May 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 i think we have reached a point where we have the needed power to have the ultimate satisfaction by sacrificing, or i should say by killing, the future. do you think that sometime in the near future, we will suscribe the right of commiting such an act to ourselves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted May 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 so what is the point in prolonging our existance? if we commit ourselves to sacrificing the present for the future then most likely when that future becomes the present we will again sacrifice that present for the future after. so what drives us to behave in that manner, rather than have the ultimate fiesta and end there? is our instict to survival stronger than our yearn for happiness? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted May 24, 2004 Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 The most challenging of all would be to define 'present'. Even while writing these words, it’s already past. The key is to learn to respect time. Kipling said it best in his “IF”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted May 24, 2004 Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 Preserve the past to make a present, secure the future, and everything will be OK... Wow, I just invented that quote above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted May 24, 2004 Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 Preserve the past to make a present How do you preserve your past and make it present? If you know the answer then you hold the key to eternal youth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted May 24, 2004 Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 How do you preserve your past and make it present? If you know the answer then you hold the key to eternal youth Come on, it is figurative... you can have no present if you don't have the past... to have a present you have to preserve your past. No? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted May 24, 2004 Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 you can have no present if you don't have the past A newborn baby would disagree with you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted May 24, 2004 Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 A newborn baby would disagree with you No! He won't, the new born baby is his parents present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted May 24, 2004 Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 so what is the point in prolonging our existance? if we commit ourselves to sacrificing the present for the future then most likely when that future becomes the present we will again sacrifice that present for the future after. so what drives us to behave in that manner, rather than have the ultimate fiesta and end there? is our instict to survival stronger than our yearn for happiness? You sound like you've been overworked and underpaid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 it all has to do with delayed gratification- many people think certain things are worth sacrificing and waiting for- and others think that present issues are more important and they dont want to think about the future just yet--neither extremity is good- you cant always sacrifice things and wait for the future- because today is yesterdays tomorrow i good mentor of mine whose really old- lol told me that lifes really short and sometimes u gotta take risks- becasue without risks life is boreing- so whether you decide to sacrifice instant hapiness for future hapiness- or decide to live life to the fullest- you need to keep a balance between the two- because sooner or later life's consequences are going to bite u in the a** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 No! He won't, the new born baby is his parents present. You could say that, but that is not convincing enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 (edited) blank slate my dears tabula rasa Edited May 25, 2004 by angel4hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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