THOTH Posted January 12, 2004 Report Share Posted January 12, 2004 No offense THOT, please dont refer me to anymore satir website making fun of the Bible, yes it is offensive.... I will make a deal with you gevo...stop preaching to me/us and bringing up the bible and i will stop refuting it and your assertions (etc)...otherwise no deal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted January 12, 2004 Report Share Posted January 12, 2004 don't pay much attention to THOTH's provocations. He has great spiritual problems. He would not be a militant atheist otherwise. Faith is Life. What does he have to offer in replacement? Not much, perhaps something called absurdity. LOL - believe in fabrications for all I care - if you need to to quench your fears.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted January 12, 2004 Report Share Posted January 12, 2004 Before you ask this qeustion ask Thoth about his alias and that should give you a lot of clue about his belief system ("Thoth" is a name of an egyptian god, and Thoth the forumer claims not to believe in gods, so basically he is the only god in his view ) Gods are made...not born... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted January 12, 2004 Report Share Posted January 12, 2004 Thoth I never understood why you keep saying the obvious about Chirstianity,God etc. which have nothing to do with faith... It is a personnal matter meaning one finds what one needs.You are obviously satisfied in your conclusions and great for you but why the hostility towards people who have faith. I believe that if I brush me teeth 3 times daily I will go to heaven. I am unshaken in this belief. Nothing you say or show me will change this. Its just to bad that I can only manage twice daily... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted January 12, 2004 Report Share Posted January 12, 2004 Gods are made...not born... Nothing can be build from the human brain if it has no possible existance. And I double dare you to disprove this fact. Anything you could concieve could exist, a half donkey half chimp could possibly exist, what you would do is mixing two existing things. The brain interprate and do not creat, the brain filter and do not come with any new things... every belief you may have would be the result of the new connections your brain will form, the same goes with a believer in a God... you can do anything, those connections exist, because there is people believing in a God. Yet Thoth you talk about religious fanatism, but yet what you are doing is fanatism and make fun of peoples belief. And when I answer you, that makes you angry and you stop discussing about it. The biggest contradiction is that you tell us that you share the belief that no one can know the truth, and than sarcastically make fun of others belief... and say there is no God. If you claim there is none, you can not claim to be someone which claim that we can never know those things... both are not the same thing... those that think they don't know won't say that there is no God, they will say like Buddha said, that no one could come with an answer here. God does exist for those that believe in him, and you can do whatever you want and make fun of their belief, this won't change anything for them. Us being paradoxes, our brains working on Russels or Goebels paradoes way... we could never come up with a determinated answer. So if you agree with that(since you are supposed to be one of those that believe we can not know) stop acting like a ... and stop contradicting yourself. Or you do not belief in a God, and are not on the line of those that claim they can not know, or else, if you are on the same line, you tell that his existance can not be known.  I stend by my own belief, and say that it is the most compleat one that could exist. No wonder that many physicist believe that the MWT is the way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 http://www.palmyra.demon.co.uk/humour/genesis.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 The Atheist Agenda The atheist agenda has been divided into teams and we want to congratulate them on their good work. The brown team has been making phony fossils and planting them for scientists. Thanks to their great work almost all scientists are convinced the world is billions of years old. Keep up the good work guys. The white team has been putting phony red shifted lights in the sky that look like distant galaxies. Astronomers see these and conclude the light from them has been travelling for billions of years instead of a few microseconds. Great art work. The black team goes into print shops that produce bibles and introduces contradictions and nonsense. Cain knew his wife sort of stuff. Thanks to black team nobody with a brain believes the bible anymore. The blue team frames priests as child molesters and ministers as embezzlers. Thanks to blue team nobody can see a TV evangelist without laughing. The purple team disguises themselves as famous religious leaders and makes nonsense statements to the press. Great work on the teletubbies. Charles Fiterman [Posting to alt.atheism : 25 October 1999] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 3 Reasons Why I Love Being Christian I love God. Here are three reasons why being Christian is great: 1) I don't have to worry about thinking for myself, because my priest thinks FOR me. You poor fools have to spend your days thinking about different perspectives, in order to make informed decisions. You fools with your rational thinking, ethics, logic and reason! If God wanted me to think for myself, he would have written it in the Bible. 2) The Bible promises that I'll be rewarded, for curtailing my enjoyment of THIS life, in my after-life. I don't really know what this after-life is going to be like, but my priest says, "You'll like it. Trust me. Please keep the donation-tray moving, my son." You guys, on the other hand, think that life should be lived to its fullest. Dorks. 3) I don't have to worry about being responsible for my actions, because my religion says that regardless of what atrocities I inflict on mankind, I'll be forgiven if I accept the Lord as my personal savior. HAAA-HAAA!!! You poor atheists would rather take responsibility for your own actions. Suckers! I love being Christian. It's so liberating not having to think for myself. I can't wait to see what happens when I die. Oh boy, I can't wait! From: "Joe Christian"Â [Posting to alt.atheism : 02 March 1999] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 (edited) Nothing can be build from the human brain if it has no possible existance. And I double dare you to disprove this fact. It is not possible for you to prove that any of "this" is from any particular brain - or is a brain is even capable of any of "this" those connections exist, because there is people believing in a God. voodoo And when I answer you, that makes you angry and you stop discussing about it. neither and neither God is dead...or will be (at best). This is what you have just told me (prior to the quote I extracted... The biggest contradiction is that you tell us that you share the belief that no one can know the truth, and than sarcastically make fun of others belief... and say there is no God. If you claim there is none, you can not claim to be someone which claim that we can never know those things... Paradox(?)...so what...if I make fun - its making fun of others who think or claim to know the truth...statistics is on my side... both are not the same thing... those that think they don't know won't say that there is no God, they will say like Buddha said, that no one could come with an answer here Or the Dao..."to know is not to know"...so what do i know...what am i claimign to know...only that they are wrong...do i know..don't need to...its obvious... God does exist for those that believe in him, and you can do whatever you want and make fun of their belief, this won't change anything for them. true..doesn't change anything - if "God" exsists or not...by your defintion..thus irrelevant...no bearing on anyting....be pious and die ...his existance can not be known I agree...thus its an utter waste of time debating about truth in the Bible..or praying etc etc...thats exactly what I am saying...and why not "her' - why "him"...or "it" or her: http://www.palmyra.demon.co.uk/humour/ipu.htm I stend by my own belief, and say that it is the most compleat one that could exist typical..so typical...and ultimatly pathetic.....my point is made... Edited January 13, 2004 by THOTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 Thoth, why not for the benefit of the readers here not present any atheist of your choice on this board to wrote what he has to say rather then copypasting stuff because you yourself had nothing to say?  Here the common Atheist logical problem(logical problems exist for the theists, but just lets stick with the atheist one). First, if someone is an atheist, he is forced to believe that there is billions of billions of billions of billions etc... of Universes. This is only a matter of statistic and fundamental physics, because particules and Galaxies etc... are all fine tuned... there is no way(it goes beyond the physical symbolic 10^50 that is the considered limit of what could be considered as impossible) that life could emerge from the only existing universe.  So, if a God does not exist, there must be huge numbers of Universes... another problem emerge, and it is about the inflationist creation of universes fron nothingless... Nothingless is not determinated, and the only "number" of universe it can produce should be undeterministic. 1, 5, 5000, 100^100 etc... are all determinated numbers... this would mean, that there should be infinit numbers of Universes existing... since Infinit is not determinated so as nothingless, any numbers are determinated. So, if there is no God, and universes comes from nothingless, there should be infinit numbers of Universes. This is what an atheist is forced to conclude. If this is the cases, determinating if there is a God in any of those Universes is impossible. Remark, that if there is a God on at least one of those Universes, the existance of a God would be considered as a possibility in this universe. This means, that the atheist belief has a serious flaw, which is in itself a paradox. Since the atheist from his own belief will have to conclude that the possibility of a God exist.   I have challenged many Atheist on this ground, and no one were able to come up with an explannation here Thoth, just give it a try and stop posting stuff to offend people.   Now, if we do show that each infinit numbers of Universes interact with eachothers... this would mean one thing, that the possibility of a God existing in some Universe could end up being true in this Universe if the interaction between those Universe could happen. And Quantum Mechanic is an evidence that this is so, so as the incertitute principle... because the observer sound to be the one with the collectivity of observers that set in which Universe they will be living. If in my life time, we could bring strong evidences(many exist) that the observer is in fact the one that change Universes to universes based on his beliefs... not only will the theistic belief fall, but so as the atheistic belief of yours... because the theistic belief will not be more false than the atheistic one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 No Domino - you are totally wrong. This theory of infinite uyniverses exists in only one place - mathmatics. And mathamatics is only an abstraction - it is not reality - it is not complete. So try again. I do not accept your premiss. And the ideaof God is a total joke - at best - and if true - is a very cruel one. Are you ready for Hell my friend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 stop posting stuff to offend people. I find people telling me that I am going to hell to be quite offensive - an all the rst - so stuff it - God sucks and all believers are foling themselves and are fools. I'll say whatever I want. You spout plenty of nonsense here.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 It is not possible for you to prove that any of "this" is from any particular brain - or is a brain is even capable of any of "this"   voodoo   neither and neither God is dead...or will be (at best). This is what you have just told me (prior to the quote I extracted...   Paradox(?)...so what...if I make fun - its making fun of others who think or claim to know the truth...statistics is on my side... God does exist for those that believe in him, and you can do whatever you want and make fun of their belief, this won't change anything for them....his existance can not be knownI stend by my own belief, and say that it is the most compleat one that could exist typical..so typical...and ultimatly pathetic.....my point is made... It is not possible for you to prove that any of "this" is from any particular brain - or is a brain is even capable of any of "this"  I told you to disprove what I said, what you tell me is not a disprove. Bring me one example of something which you can belief, and that the belief will have absolutly no existance at all. You can't. So what I bring is not disproved. Is it?  God is dead...or will be (at best). This is what you have just told me (prior to the quote I extracted... Are you assuming it existed? To die, something must exist in the first place. I don't see what your answer has anything to do with what I wrote. Paradox(?)...so what...if I make fun - its making fun of others who think or claim to know the truth...statistics is on my side... By claiming that God does not exist, you are claiming to possess the truth here, therefore you are not different than those you answer. As for statistics, we can make numbers say anything we want.  typical..so typical...and ultimatly pathetic.....my point is made... You never had a point. Your conception is self-contradictory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 Domino - You could ask me an infintie number iof things to disprove...what do I care - what do I know - I've never claimed to kow the truth of thigs - just the opposite - I don't know. Its the aburdaties in their (and your) claims that i am saying i reject - why? becaus erthey are full of contradictions or at least unknowable things - so why should we bank on one unknowable - when there are infintite ones out there we can choose for our own. I believe that if I brush my teeth 3 times a dat i am going to heaven - disprove that please.... I say you are typical in claimign your religion or beliefs are the best...that is my point - and you prove it - claiming your beliefs to be the best - most complete or what have you... Now please turn your considerable intellect and energy towards something useful OK... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 No Domino - you are totally wrong. This theory of infinite uyniverses exists in only one place - mathmatics. And mathamatics is only an abstraction - it is not reality - it is not complete. So try again. I do not accept your premiss. And the ideaof God is a total joke - at best - and if true - is a very cruel one. Are you ready for Hell my friend? You don't understand the basic yet! And you claim that this theory exist on mathematic... everyone having read what I just wrote will realise that what you just said is exactly the opposit of what I devlelopped and which you were supposed to answer by this reply of yours. I am telling you, that if there is only one Universe, the fact that there is evolved species would innevitably mean that there is an intelligent being that ordered everything... this is why there is hardly one physicist that is an atheist that does not adhere to the MWT view of the world. Quantum Mechanic is one version of it, and believe me, it isen't only mathematic, because it does predict physical entities. Only to have been life on Earth with every conditions existing in this universe... it is estimated that the chances are 10^400, and this ignores the mass of particules and all those fine tunings... This will further lower the chances to even beyond 1/10^1000. In science eerything beyond 1/10^50 is considered to be impossible. So, in order to be life, there should be a huge astronimical numbers of universes in order that some of them have all the conditions necessary to contain life. And more to it, since this universe has an age, and therefore comes from nothingless... you as an atheist are forced to conclude that there should be infinit numbers of universes... because determinated numbers of universes could not come from something that is not determinated. That would mean, that from nothingless they will just pop-up, infinit numbers of universes will be created for eternity. This is not only about mathematic, this is what an atheistic is forced to believe to explain the fine tuning of this universe. And from there comes the paradox... because they must disprove that in all those universes there is no God, and this is an impossible task. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 Gods are made...not born... Thus Thoth is a self-made god. And since what use is a god without his worshipers, he is constantly on the lookout for potentual new ones. Personally, just about the only thing I think that will ever drive me towards any religion is listening to the ranting of a load of atheists! And that "materialism is liberation" statement that started this thread is just such a rant. Materialism is many things - a willing slavery / a license for ecological mass destruction / a delusional fantasy / a belief that two plus two can be forced to make five / etc. - but is never "liberating".  I would be interested to know if any athiests here ever believed in a God before coming to their opinion that there wasn't one. I think that once a Christian, always a Christian (same for Islam, and Judaeism and the whole lot of them). It's like an infectious disease that it is impossible to cure - there may be moments of remission but it gets you all in the end. All formerly religious types return to the fold in the end. But it couldn't happen to me, because I am immune. And have been for as long as it is possible to be (like from two years old, or maybe even less).  Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 yes Steve you are perfection - obviously...LOL (big time) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 Domino - the issue is not universes - which - while the thing/belief of the day - is totally unproven (I mean show me - prove it..etc)...there are plenty enough planetary systems (based on the billions and billions of suns/stars) in our own known universe to have no need for your theories to have the statistical probabilities of life. And who is to say that stars are not intellignet and ar in one big contest with one another to produce the most voluptious female in the galaxy - or whatever.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 Domino - You could ask me an infintie number iof things to disprove...what do I care - what do I know - I've never claimed to kow the truth of thigs - just the opposite - I don't know. Its the aburdaties in their (and your) claims that i am saying i reject - why? becaus erthey are full of contradictions or at least unknowable things - so why should we bank on one unknowable - when there are infintite ones out there we can choose for our own. I believe that if I brush my teeth 3 times a dat i am going to heaven - disprove that please.... I say you are typical in claimign your religion or beliefs are the best...that is my point - and you prove it - claiming your beliefs to be the best - most complete or what have you... Now please turn your considerable intellect and energy towards something useful OK... Again your contradiction... you are claiming that my position is absurde as well as the position of others, yet you claim that you never claimed to possess the truth. You position is pure arrogance, yet you are even not able to be stable in your position, you affirm and even bring certainty, and later when you are challenged you claim that you never clained to possess the truth... You are taking position, by doing such you are contradicting your own premiss. As my position, I am the only here that could claim to not have an arrogant answer. I am telling that each one choose his own reality, and live in his universe, which is truth for him. While you on the other hand reject and make fun of others belief. So, my claim is absurd? Why because you say so? If my claim is absrud, so as with your arrigance are rejecting what will be comming the future of physic... not so bad, considering that the MWT, is number one among physicists on the last poll. Now be clad to show me where is your claim... if there is any, since from one side you claim not to possess the truth, on the other side contradict this premiss of yours by answering and calling others vision absurdities. People here are free to discuss about anything they want, it is the theology forum... if you don't believe in christianity it is your choice, you don't need to make fun of peoples belief, considering that yours suffer of a major contradiction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 Domino - you postion is jst silly - evey one makes their own reality - well Ok I guess - but what is this really truly saying about hte underlying nature/substance of things - nothing. So i believe in the pink unicorn - sue me! http://www.palmyra.demon.co.uk/humour/ipu.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 Domino - the issue is not universes - which - while the thing/belief of the day - is totally unproven (I mean show me - prove it..etc)...there are plenty enough planetary systems (based on the billions and billions of suns/stars) in our own known universe to have no need for your theories to have the statistical probabilities of life. And who is to say that stars are not intellignet and ar in one big contest with one another to produce the most voluptious female in the galaxy - or whatever.... You did not understand, particules are the same in all the universe, I am talking about the mass of protons, the quantum states of electrions, isotopes etc... no matter if there is 100 billions of galaxies... in order to sustain life, particules should permit such thing... and there is other such things, such as the fine tunning of the galaxies when still the universe was young... this is an equilibrum that along will beat the symbolic 10^50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 Domino - you postion is jst silly - evey one makes their own reality - well Ok I guess - but what is this really truly saying about hte underlying nature/substance of things - nothing. So i believe in the pink unicorn - sue me! http://www.palmyra.demon.co.uk/humour/ipu.htm If you really believed in such a thing... it would be true for you, and I would say nothing about the absurdity of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 You did not understand, particules are the same in all the universe, I am talking about the mass of protons, the quantum states of electrions, isotopes etc... no matter if there is 100 billions of galaxies... in order to sustain life, particules should permit such thing... and there is other such things, such as the fine tunning of the galaxies when still the universe was young... this is an equilibrum that along will beat the symbolic 10^50. ? anyway - there does seem to be life in this universe...and it came from somewhere....from some primordial goup of superhcharged protons and electrons that led - under specific conditions (at least those know and perhaps others unknowm) to make the organic building blocks...DNA and all the rest...no need to contemplate other universes...LOL..when so much here is not yet understood... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 (edited) ? anyway - there does seem to be life in this universe...and it came from somewhere....from some primordial goup of superhcharged protons and electrons that led - under specific conditions (at least those know and perhaps others unknowm) to make the organic building blocks...DNA and all the rest...no need to contemplate other universes...LOL..when so much here is not yet understood... Do you realise that what you say is more absurd than the existance of a God? You are telling me that by chance, the only universe that exist has the exact size of particules needed, the exact charges, the exact density etc... that the big bang set the exact amount of energy needed to put galaxies on an absolute equilibre etc... this is mathematically impossible. Edited January 13, 2004 by Fadix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 yes Steve you are perfection - obviously...LOL (big time) No Thoth, not perfect. Though an immunity to religion is one step towards perfection. Even the religious should admit that - since their faith requires them to admit that their imperfection, after the Fall of Adam, is the reason for their religion. Before the Fall, when God walked with Adam and Eve in the Garden, there was no religion, and no need for redemption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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