angel4hope Posted February 9, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 Love is very powerful in its pure form. What is ordinarily known as "love" is in fact lust and emotional attachment. True love is never binding but liberating. wow i like that....thanx sasun, im always looking for more enlightenment..hehe..as some people think im "stupid" but hey..to each their own! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 you are stupid? whoever said that? no dear you are not stupid, you are just too young and catching up with a lot of learning I believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted February 9, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 you are stupid? whoever said that? no dear you are not stupid, you are just too young and catching up with a lot of learning I believe sasun i love you..hahaha not "love" "love" love as in a friend love.. lol hehe youre the best!! no wonder youre so popular with the chicks here..hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 sasun i love you..hahaha not "love" "love" love as in a friend love.. lol hehe youre the best!!  no wonder youre so popular with the chicks here..hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 no wonder youre so popular with the chicks here..hehe really ?... oops, off -topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garenad Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 Love is an emotion, when you say "I don't believe in love" it means you don't know! We all love many things, when we refer belief to "love one another", you are expressing compassion. Sorry to disapoint you, love exists, but not for long, until other priorities grab your attention! like money, social status, kids, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sev-mard Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 That is a personal matter yes, but I believe Nietzsche has a point in saying that everything we do is a selfish act, whether we mean it or not. Yeah I mean what is happiness really? Something that makes you feel good. Even if doing something for others makes you feel good, isn't that partially a selfish act to start. Knowing that when you do this thing for someone, you'll feel good for having done it? Â As for Love, I belive in it, but after times of getting burned, or it not working out. I believe Love can happen when you want it to almost, and it's different almost every time. But too many people are easily affected by this 'world' and Love in the way they see it on movies or hear it in songs and don't love from themself and with both intelligence and emotion. Love is truly personal and while affected by the outside world, if one "loves" like they think they are supposed, you get a lot of messed situations like we have today in the world. Because 'love' as seen in movies and professed on songs in any language across the World, are rarer than young blacks guys who are studying barskahye dialect armenian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 ill take us back to love..  hmm...  whats left to say abot love anyways???? We will start repeating ourselves..  Love is great, i havent experianced it too.. but i can imagine it.. and my imagination is good at that .. lol..  Just dont loose hope, hang on and hope for hope and this way atleast youllhave something to be hopefull about.. so hope for love whileyour at it.. lol.. ok this was little random.. butoh well.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armine3773 Posted February 13, 2004 Report Share Posted February 13, 2004 Love if a beautiful thing if you find the right person to share it with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted February 13, 2004 Report Share Posted February 13, 2004 Love if a beautiful thing if you find the right person to share it with. LOL.. armine jan, very true.. but i think thats the problem withmost people anyways... the right person??? OH WHO OH WHO COULD HE BE!? lol.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted February 13, 2004 Report Share Posted February 13, 2004 Angel, what does WTF mean? DAVO HAHAHA iv asked her this before, i think she said.. "What The Fruit or Freeck" lol.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted February 13, 2004 Report Share Posted February 13, 2004 (edited) what the ***??? wild guess   Davo jan you definitely need the great dictionary of l33t: http://www.ninjalane.com/leet.aspx Oh Christ there's censorship nevermind, there are kids around Edited February 14, 2004 by gurgen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted February 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2004 No I`m just surprised that our "angel" uses that kind of language! Davon well literally i didnt say it all out...i abbreviated it so if u were righthere ud hear this "wtf" not"what the flipp" okie? so chill dude! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted February 13, 2004 Report Share Posted February 13, 2004 Love is an emotion, when you say "I don't believe in love" it means you don't know! true We all love many things, when we refer belief to "love one another", you are expressing compassion. true Sorry to disapoint you, love exists, but not for long, until other priorities grab your attention! like money, social status, kids, etc...  No...love is not so one dimensional...(well for some maybe it is...and too bad for them....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted February 13, 2004 Report Share Posted February 13, 2004 Angel, what does WTF mean? DAVO Whatever THOTH Feels like..... We love THOTH Forever... Worship THOTH Forever.. When THOTH Farts we listen... I don't know really - what do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted February 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2004 (edited) it means What Thoth thinks is true is always False Why does Thoth think hes some sort of Freaking god? and  youre Wasting my Time LAlAlA|*  ahahahah hahahahah okie thoth u know we dont hate u, but we dont all LOVE you either...so chill... lol okie lav and please ignore the LA|LA|LA*...its not that bad..besides i didnt spell it out so calm down...SIMMA DAWN NAW  * Edited February 14, 2004 by MosJan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted February 13, 2004 Report Share Posted February 13, 2004 (edited) angel I'm more chill then you could ever imagine...anyway.... Edited February 13, 2004 by THOTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted February 14, 2004 Report Share Posted February 14, 2004 The Pathology of Love [11 February 2004]   by Sam Vaknin  :. e-mail this article :. print this article :. comment on this article  The unpalatable truth is that falling in love is, in some ways, indistinguishable from a severe pathology. Behavior changes are reminiscent of psychosis and, biochemically speaking, passionate love closely imitates substance abuse. Appearing in the BBC series Body Hits on 4 December 2002, Dr. John Marsden, the head of the British National Addiction Center, said that love is addictive, akin to cocaine and speed. Sex is a "booby trap", intended to bind the partners long enough to bond.  Using functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging (fMRI), Andreas Bartels and Semir Zeki of University College in London showed that the same areas of the brain are active when abusing drugs and when in love. The prefrontal cortex — hyperactive in depressed patients — is inactive when besotted. How can this be reconciled with the low levels of serotonin that are the telltale sign of both depression and infatuation is not known. The initial drive, lust, is brought on by surges of sex hormones, such as testosterone and estrogen. These induce an indiscriminate scramble for physical gratification. Attraction transpires once a more-or-less appropriate object is found (with the right body language and speed and tone of voice) and is tied to a panoply of sleep and eating disorders.  A recent study at the University of Chicago demonstrated that testosterone levels in heterosexual men shoot up by one third even during a casual chat with a female stranger. The stronger the hormonal reaction, the more marked the changes in behavior, concluded the authors. This loop may be part of a larger "mating response". In animals, testosterone provokes aggression and recklessness. The hormone's readings in married men and fathers are markedly lower than in single males who are still "playing the field".  Helen Fisher of Rutger University suggests a three-phased model of falling in love. Each stage involves a distinct set of chemicals. The BBC summed it up succinctly and sensationally: "Events occurring in the brain when we are in love have similarities with "mental illness". Moreover, we are attracted to people with the same genetic makeup and smell (pheromones) of our parents. Dr Martha McClintock of the University of Chicago studied heterosexual feminine attraction to sweaty T-shirts formerly worn by males. The closer the smell resembled her father's, the more attracted and aroused the woman became. Falling in love is, therefore, an exercise in proxy incest and a vindication of Freud's much-maligned Oedipus and Electra complexes.  This has been further demonstrated by psychologist David Perrett of the University of St Andrews in Scotland. The subjects in his experiments preferred their own faces — in other words, the composite of their two parents — when computer-morphed into the opposite sex.  Contrary to prevailing misconceptions, love is mostly about negative emotions. As Professor Arthur Aron from State University of New York at Stonybrook has shown, in the first few meetings, people misinterpret certain physical cues and feelings — notably fear and thrill — as (falling in) love. Thus, counterintuitively, anxious people — especially those with the "serotonin transporter" gene — are more sexually active (i.e., fall in love more often).  Obsessive thoughts regarding the Loved One and compulsive acts are also common. Perception is distorted as is cognition. "Love is blind" and the lover easily fails the reality test. Falling in love involves the enhanced secretion of b-Phenylethylamine (PEA, or the "love chemical") in the first two-to-four years of the relationship. This natural drug creates an euphoric high and helps obscure the failings and shortcomings of the potential mate. Such oblivion — perceiving only the loved one's good sides while discarding her bad ones — is a pathology akin to the primitive psychological defense mechanism known as "splitting". Narcissists — that is, people suffering from the Narcissistic Personality Disorder — also idealize romantic or intimate partners. A similar cognitive-emotional impairment is common in many mental health conditions. The activity of a host of neurotransmitters — such as Dopamine, Adrenaline (Norepinephrine), and Serotonin — is heightened (or in the case of Serotonin, lowered) in both paramours. Yet such irregularities are also associated with Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD) and depression.  It is telling that once attachment is formed and infatuation gives way to a more stable and less exuberant relationship, the levels of these substances return to normal. They are replaced by two hormones, endorphins which usually play a part in social interactions (including bonding and sex). These hormones are oxytocin (the "cuddling chemical") and vasopressin. Oxytocin facilitates bonding. It is released in the mother during breastfeeding, in the members of the couple when they spend time together, and when they sexually climax.  Love, in all its phases and manifestations, is an addiction, probably to the various forms of internally secreted norepinephrine, such as the aforementioned amphetamine-like PEA. Love, in other words, is a form of substance abuse. The withdrawal of romantic love has serious mental health repercussions. A study conducted by Dr. Kenneth Kendler, professor of psychiatry and director of the Virginia Institute for Psychiatric and Behavioral Genetics, and others, and published in the September issue of Archives of General Psychiatry, revealed that breakups often lead to depression and anxiety.  Still, love cannot be reduced to merely its biochemical and electrical components. Love is not tantamount to our bodily processes. Rather, it is the way we experience them. Love is how we interpret these flows and ebbs of compounds using a higher-level language. In other words, love is pure poetry.  Additional Reading The Myth of Mental Illness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted February 14, 2004 Report Share Posted February 14, 2004 Stormy - I hate to say it but that preceeding article is just so much bullshit. LOL Sure pehraps interesting on a leel, but thhe little that it actually addresses attraction (as it is far more then biochemical - and this shoudl be obvious) - does not counter the fact that it not at all addresses actual love (of any real variety) or anything about it. This artical has nothing at all to do with love whatsoever..sorry...but OK perhaps interesting for what it is worth...but it is no commentary on love...IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted February 14, 2004 Report Share Posted February 14, 2004 You're right, more like infatuation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted February 14, 2004 Report Share Posted February 14, 2004 (edited) You're right, more like infatuation. exactly...though I thought the thing about release of oxytocin during mutual orgasm to be interesting..and as having actually experienced such (and the afterglow in general - and what could be better IMO..something certainly in and of itself to live for...etc)...well there is certainly something there... Edited February 14, 2004 by THOTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted February 14, 2004 Report Share Posted February 14, 2004 Actually, I thought it was pretty interesting read. This is the same guy I quote "stinkpiles" from... Always pretty interesting read. And while the facts are for infatuation, they are still facts, not BS. I could perhaps look into the stuff a bit more sometime. Some things seem to make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted February 14, 2004 Report Share Posted February 14, 2004 Actually, I thought it was pretty interesting read. This is the same guy I quote "stinkpiles" from... Always pretty interesting read. And while the facts are for infatuation, they are still facts, not BS. I could perhaps look into the stuff a bit more sometime. Some things seem to make sense. agreed - all I am saying is that - while of course there is value in identifying the chemnical & pheronal elements or what have you - which are very real and have prounouced/significant effects- to believe that these things are the determinaers of attraction (even if again significant factors) and that this is any way is really any (serious) commentary about love...well I find it lacking - thats all...agreed perhaps BS was too strong..it was a gut reaction... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheekY Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 THOTH...sometimes i just REALLY wonder what you look like lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 (edited) THOTH...sometimes i just REALLY wonder what you look like lol Well thank you Skits - I guess...as I take that as a compliment...I'd be more then happy to email you a pic (if you don't think your b/f would mind...LOL)...I mean just to satisfy your curiosity... Edited February 15, 2004 by THOTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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