angel4hope Posted December 27, 2003 Report Share Posted December 27, 2003 vay skitt you just hit another one there like dan~nice job girlie! Are there any normal guys uot there in this freaky world??sometimes i wonder too much about it hahahahaha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheekY Posted December 27, 2003 Report Share Posted December 27, 2003 vay skitt you just hit another one there like dan~nice job girlie! Are there any normal guys uot there in this freaky world??sometimes i wonder too much about it hahahahaha! yeah...but few lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AraManoogian Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 All you girls should feel lucky that you only get approached and can decline the offer. If you were living in Armenia and more so in Karabagh, if a guy wants you and you turn him down, his friends and even with the approval of his parents he could abduct you and keep you for as long as it takes to break you down to agree and if need be force you to loose your virginity, thus you are no longer a girl and no one here would want you.  In the states, they would categorized this method of forcing someone to marry you in this way as rape. By law here it is illegal, but unfortunately, the law here in these cases, seldom work. As for me and my experience with pressure of marriage, I’ve been getting it on a daily basis for the last 7 years from every stranger I meet and from ages 14 to 100. It seems to be a very Armenian thing. From what I understand, wealth here is measured in how many children you have and to have children, you need to be married. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 its not a matter of luck but a matter of freedom of choice and just plain common sense--Â btw i had never heard of such a story as the above mentioned--thats just disgusting and inhumane.... yuck!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sev-mard Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 All you girls should feel lucky that you only get approached and can decline the offer. If you were living in Armenia and more so in Karabagh, if a guy wants you and you turn him down, his friends and even with the approval of his parents he could abduct you and keep you for as long as it takes to break you down to agree and if need be force you to loose your virginity, thus you are no longer a girl and no one here would want you.  In the states, they would categorized this method of forcing someone to marry you in this way as rape. By law here it is illegal, but unfortunately, the law here in these cases, seldom work. As for me and my experience with pressure of marriage, I’ve been getting it on a daily basis for the last 7 years from every stranger I meet and from ages 14 to 100. It seems to be a very Armenian thing. From what I understand, wealth here is measured in how many children you have and to have children, you need to be married. Damn~ That's no way to live, wow. I wish people would start examining these old ideals/traditions/practices and focus on what effects they "really" have. No real man would do that to a female. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 agreed sev-martuk jan i dont think its really a tradition thing-much rather a lack of humanity in some people, because i am very sure that they dont do such things all throughout armenia, may just be a region hes takling about here--Â i know that the forced marriage thing is true, but not the rape issue--probably some cases but i am sure itsa not a traditional practice-for i have never heard of such.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sev-mard Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Yeah, tradition was a bad word choice but you get my drift. Â I just mean if you asked those idiots they'd tell you something like "this is how is it! how's its always been" you know? Â I'm not some humanitarian or nothing like that, but I think about the way Life works all the time, and much of it comes down to lack of respect for others, and lack of feeling or understanding as to what your actions will result in for others. This being an extreme case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Abductions (axchik paxtsnel) still happen in Armenia but not as often as they used to be. A lot of times abduction happen's because the girl's or boy's parents do not agree, so the couple does "abduction". It also happens against the girl's will, but rape is really rare. They just wait until she will break, or she doesn't break and goes back home. These things happen in rural areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 thankx sasun jan--that clarified things a bit more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AraManoogian Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Not to defend guys here, since there is no excuse or logic behind raping someone that you are going to grow old with and they are going to raise your children, but the economic situation, lack of a decent educational system, makes guys much less attractive to girls. On top of this you add that our Armenian culture here expects that the boy child will care for the parents when they become old and a general attitude, thus they are all kings and can do as they please. You add the fact that you can pay your way out of rape charges if the girl in the end still does not agree to marriage, thus you can’t expect anything less. Unfortunately this one the bad effect of our Armenian culture and you can’t imagine how bad I feel every time I learn that someone committed this act and I’m invited over for dinner to meet the happy couple.  One time the dirty deed was done and the father pled that his daughter be returned home so they could at least have a proper wedding, since it was their eldest daughter.  If you want to read what happened that day you can read my journal entry of August 18, 2003 at: http://www.aramanoogian.blogspot.com/2003_...115185802207722 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 You are welcome angelik, travel to Armenia with confidence  P.S. I just remembered, somebody had attempted to abduct my friend's girlfriend in Yerevan, luckily he failed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sev-mard Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Unfortunately this one the bad effect of our Armenian culture and you can’t imagine how bad I feel every time I learn that someone committed this act and I’m invited over for dinner to meet the happy couple.  One time the dirty deed was done and the father pled that his daughter be returned home so they could at least have a proper wedding, since it was their eldest daughter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 haha sasun........me visit armenia? whered you get that outta?? i wish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 haha sasun........me visit armenia? whered you get that outta?? i wish don't know angel jan, you might visit, you never know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 Ummm, Ara, how would people know a girl has lost her virginity if she doesn't tell? How is that a hindrance to her future marriage if she doesn't tell? Or is there some kinda way of telling -- lol, I don't know about such things!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 aww dan your just lost in the woods are you? id tell you but its a bit graphic--you should search the web-im sure they have the answers somewhere out there.....lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 hmmm oookay................................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 yeah that was about the same reaction i had when i first found out----quite frightening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 hmmm, is it really? i guess it's time that i google it lol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 lol dan im just clowning its not that bad--just a bit weird 2 explain 2 someone with a post... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 i just googled it, and apparently, there is no way for men to know -- it varies from one woman to another... ergo, it's another myth.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 aww dan your just lost in the woods are you? id tell you but its a bit graphic--you should search the web-im sure they have the answers somewhere out there.....lol I'm surprised that Dan ignores that, Dan, what have they teached you on your sexuality courses in high school. BTW: Angel, I have not forgoten what I own you, you will learn that someone that expect something from me has always to wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 aw Domino jan i dont mind---u can take all the time you need- thank you by the way ur 2 sweet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 That's it I am moving to karabagh. What a country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 That's it I am moving to karabagh. What a country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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