vika182 Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 [sexual repression in his work is said to be a big factor in fascism, the more sexually repressed a people are the more authoritarian they will be/QUOTE] hmm, i wonder if this is the reason that people in places like sweden, etc where they responsibly teach kids about sex in kindergarden are at least percieved if not actually really the most free... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted March 1, 2004 Report Share Posted March 1, 2004 [sexual repression in his work is said to be a big factor in fascism, the more sexually repressed a people are the more authoritarian they will be/QUOTE] hmm, i wonder if this is the reason that people in places like sweden, etc where they responsibly teach kids about sex in kindergarden are at least percieved if not actually really the most free... Well, thank you for that breakthrough performance in giving us a psychoanalytic breakdown of the political systems in Freudian speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koko Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 well, all these third world countries are beeing used by the capitalist countries, thats why they are so poor. So it doesn't count when people in america are hungry? Just when it's in russia or somewhere else? USA brainwash its citizens just as turkey does. USA:s economic blockade can be compared to Turkeys -Cuba and Armenia.. the are the same chicken *** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 well, all these third world countries are beeing used by the capitalist countries, thats why they are so poor. So it doesn't count when people in america are hungry? Just when it's in russia or somewhere else? USA brainwash its citizens just as turkey does. USA:s economic blockade can be compared to Turkeys -Cuba and Armenia.. the are the same chicken *** can you please expand on the "economic blockade" idea...?? and how you compare it to Armenia>? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koko Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 (edited) well turkey and USA are allies meaning they have the same sort of politics, at leeast foreign politics. The economical blockade of both armenia and cuba has led to very serious consequenses and damage to both countries.How else would turkey be such a rich contry. How else would USA be such a rich country, -by using poor people to work for them in poor currondings and with a small pay check. By stealing in other words. Stealing oil from iraq, causing chaos in iraq, in afghanistan...and thousands of peoples death. Dont forget that Saddam Hussein was put in power by the USA. They knew what sort of a man he was from the beginning they had the same goals, at least at first...but then he turned against them... The only goal america has with its foreign politics is to cause chaos so they can more easilty come to power and run the country. This is politics my friend, the very harsh truth. Jipii America Edited March 2, 2004 by koko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 well turkey and USA are allies meaning they have the same sort of politics, at leeast foreign politics. The economical blockade of both armenia and cuba has led to very serious consequenses and damage to both countries.How else would turkey be such a rich contry. How else would USA be such a rich country, -by using poor people to work for them in poor currondings and with a small pay check. By stealing in other words. Stealing oil from iraq, causing chaos in iraq, in afghanistan...and thousands of peoples death. Dont forget that Saddam Hussein was put in power by the USA. They knew what sort of a man he was from the beginning they had the same goals, at least at first...but then he turned against them... The only goal america has with its foreign politics is to cause chaos so they can more easilty come to power and run the country. This is politics my friend, the very harsh truth. Jipii America i dont agree koko jan.... your stating very extreme side here.. Armenia is barely affected by any blockad from another country.. what is there net domestic export??? lol.. not much.. Armenia only makes things worse for itself so people wont buy vehicles from outside.. like the car tax ther, i heard it has gone up significantly... Saddam... well.. there are lotsa reasons for him to have gone out of power.. and Bush and Blair were only 2 ballsy enough to start the war... the oil in Iraq is only being used as revenue for Iraq, and not being sold and helping out the Net domestic import of US.. so in other words, it is doing us absolutely no good.. thus making what momey Iraq gets from the oil.. theres, not Bush's. contrary to many peoples thinking.. sadly... Turkey and US are allies because armenia isnt.. and reason Armenia isnt is cause of its close ties with Russia.. and many economic aspects depend on Russia not the rest of thw world.. Kocharian is a fag sitting in a seat where he is being told what to do, what to say.. thats how he was able to stay in office even thogh the armenians voted for the other guy... but ofcourse he got voted in.. suuure.. lol.. anywho.. i must write a lab report.. ill talk later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 well, all these third world countries are beeing used by the capitalist countries, thats why they are so poor. I strongly disagree with the quote above. Third world countries are poor for numerous reasons including lack of capital, infrastructure, education etc.and any third world country would be happy to have Microsoft come and set up shop!!! This is pure extreme left ideology often heard from anti globalization crowd but I am yet to hear an alternative for creating jobs without having foreign investments and capital. Armenia would be a much better place if we had Volkswagens, computers, micro chips and general goods made there and have our people working there instead of flocking to US and EU for jobs. Generally it is a win, win, for both ends. People are happy having jobs, often paid higher wages then local companies and corporations get a cheap labor force. I am aware there are extreme negatives examples but generally foreign investments generate capital and growth, which are essential for overcoming the depressed reality of third world economies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 I strongly disagree with the quote above. Third world countries are poor for numerous reasons including lack of capital, infrastructure, education etc.and any third world country would be happy to have Microsoft come and set up shop!!! This is pure extreme left ideology often heard from anti globalization crowd but I am yet to hear an alternative for creating jobs without having foreign investments and capital. Armenia would be a much better place if we had Volkswagens, computers, micro chips and general goods made there and have our people working there instead of flocking to US and EU for jobs. Generally it is a win, win, for both ends. People are happy having jobs, often paid higher wages then local companies and corporations get a cheap labor force. I am aware there are extreme negatives examples but generally foreign investments generate capital and growth, which are essential for overcoming the depressed reality of third world economies. Agreed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koko Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 The Capitalistic system lives on doing profit over people. In todays world people count for nothing while capital counts for everything. Is there any other way to explain it how while according to the UN" the assets of the 200 richest people are more than the combined income of 41% of the world's people." The result: 17 million children die every year of easily prevented deseases. The rules of competition and profit which today we are meant to worship means that if it doesn't turn a profit it's not worth doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koko Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 (edited) Turkey's blockade against armenia has cost armenia between 570 and 722 millon dollar a year. That number should be compared to the aid armenia recieves, wich at the year of 1999 was estimated to 140 million dolllar. The blockade against armenia does not only cost money for Us but it costs much amount of money from turkey as well as azerbadjian. A normalization would be positive for all countries. meaning that both turkey and azerbadjian would gain to cease the blockade against armenia. The world bank has estimated that Armenias GNP would increase 30%-38% and the countries export would become twice as much." Edited March 3, 2004 by koko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 The Capitalistic system lives on doing profit over people. In todays world people count for nothing while capital counts for everything. Is there any other way to explain it how while according to the UN" the assets of the 200 richest people are more than the combined income of 41% of the world's people." The result: 17 million children die every year of easily prevented deseases. The rules of competition and profit which today we are meant to worship means that if it doesn't turn a profit it's not worth doing. true... but, compare that to the flaws of communism... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 The result: 17 million children die every year of easily prevented deseases. I am guessing mostly in undeveloped non-capitalistic countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koko Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 yes, the result of capitalism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 The Capitalistic system lives on doing profit over people. In todays world people count for nothing while capital counts for everything. Is there any other way to explain it how while according to the UN" the assets of the 200 richest people are more than the combined income of 41% of the world's people." The result: 17 million children die every year of easily prevented deseases. The rules of competition and profit which today we are meant to worship means that if it doesn't turn a profit it's not worth doing. Apparently socialists/Marxists have no idea of economics, nor praxaeology. The reason why you live in the West and enjoy the high living standards and have a computer to type that on, is precisely because of the capitalist revolution and the human division of labor. Capitalism respects that which is innate in nature, the inequalities and imperfections and hierarchies in nature. Marxism/Socialism, is a total antithesis of everything in nature. If you want to discuss why Marx' theory of value is horsepucky and why he's wrong on about everything from labor to wages, we can do so, but without having knowledge of economics which most Marxists seem to suffer from ( I'm not suggesting you're a Marxist, rather from my previous discussions with them ), it is impossible to discuss with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koko Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 So capitalism is the most natural thing for us humans? Why isn't the most natural to strive for development so that the diffrent between rich and poor deminishes. and not only a few procent of the world population. using others with cheap labour work... A natural human development is trying to reach the goal wich will lead all people to have a fair and equal chance in life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 So capitalism is the most natural thing for us humans? Why isn't the most natural to strive for development so that the diffrent between rich and poor deminishes. and not only a few procent of the world population. using others with cheap labour work... A natural human development is trying to reach the goal wich will lead all people to have a fair and equal chance in life. "Capitalism" is misleading. Technically "Capitalism" and "Communism" can mean the same thing. "Capitalism" and "free market" or "free enterprise" are often equated, when they should not be, and are often done so by dolts with the least amount of knowledge regarding economics. "Communism" is actually "capitalism" taken to the extreme. It is interesting to note that "Communism" or "Marxism" itself has its root in "Capitalism". It was "Capitalism's" financial backing that established Marx, as well as the Bolsheviks. Back to the distinction between "free enterprise" and "capitalism". The initial means the unhampered rule of market economy in which there is economic activity not regulated or impeded by external forces; where there exists a relatively peaceful atmosphere of exchange and production of goods and services. Entreperneurs are the backbone of the free market system. "Capitalism" itself deals with "capital goods", and a capitalist is therefore someone who buys capital goods and uses them to manufacture products for profit. Thie type of "capitalist" is found in a free market system, BUT this type of person doesn't require a free market system to exist, this type of person exists in all economic or political systems. In fact, this type of capitalist survives best in closed and strongly regulated enterprise system, such as Communism, where there is little or no competition, and hence you see how the government creates and destroys monopolies at will, i.e. Enron, or Microsoft. Governments are capitalists when they invest in capital equipment. By this definition even the Soviet Union was capitalist. What is natural for humans is to exchange, to trade, and as far back as the earliest civilizations and in Antiquity the citywas synonymous with trade. It is with trade, development, and exchange that new ideas and innovations proceed, and man progress. All economics fall prey to the laws of praxaeology, and are reduced to a single axiom, and that is man's nature to choose and act. Man is a thinking and acting agent, and this law applies to all economic systems. It doesn't concern itself with the why of people, but merely that people act, and is aprioristic. The division between rich and poor has always existed and always will. The division of rich and poor should not be viewed in strictly materialistic terms, but rather the division speaks louder to a greater truth in humanity, the nature of inequalities between minds, characters, and capacities, and the subjugation to natures laws. You cannot absolve the inequities without absolving man, who by nature is imperfect. Your ideas are Marxian in everyway, but unrealistic as well, in every way. Marx' presented a valiant critique of capitalism, and indeed some of it stands, but some of his critique is grossly miscalculated. Thus your assertion that we should reach a point where everything is fair and everyone has a chance, is an affirmation of something that is not here, but something that ought to be here. In that sense, when Marx spoke of our ideas being determined by our class, he made his most obvious epistemological error. Marx in that sense assumed that the proletariat should act within his class interest, not that he does so. It assumes that everyone will think alike and act in the same manner. But from the laws of praxaeology it follows deductively that man, any man, in any time or place on earth, chooses for his gains (not necessarily selfish) but nonetheless chooses and chooses for his gain, from a moderately present state, to a more satisfactory future state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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