Eloren Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 The last verse also applies to a married person. Of course it is not "good" to look lustfully at another woman if you are married. But what about a non-married? You are completely denying the true meaning from the dictionnary of the word "adultery" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 (edited) The last verse also applies to a married person. Of course it is not "good" to look lustfully at another woman if you are married. But what about a non-married? You are completely denying the true meaning from the dictionnary of the word "adultery" It's not good for both non-married and married. Case closed. The Bible doesn't refer to it as "pre-marital sex" and as a result is not seen in the connection to adultery, however, light is shed on the topic in one verse: Hebrews 13:4 ----------------- Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral. Edited November 19, 2005 by sSebB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloren Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 Enough for the quotes Once again, I am not trying to justify pre-marital sex, I honestly find it respectful of you to remain a virgin until you find THE one and get married. It is good. But the only annoying thing, is when you judge people. I have another way of life, which is also full of respect towards others. But I don't like it when someone comes and says: I am clean, you are a sinner. Let only God judge people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 (edited) Enough for the quotes Once again, I am not trying to justify pre-marital sex, I honestly find it respectful of you to remain a virgin until you find THE one and get married. It is good. But the only annoying thing, is when you judge people. I have another way of life, which is also full of respect towards others. But I don't like it when someone comes and says: I am clean, you are a sinner. Let only God judge people. I completely agree with you. Only God can judge us. I respect your way of life and have never judged you. I merely stated I would end my relationship with a girl who never told me she was a non-virgin. That is the source of these posts. We are all sinners, but with God we can be clean. Sorry if I let on the impression that I was judging you Edited November 19, 2005 by sSebB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 (edited) do you at least play with yourself, Seb? Edited November 19, 2005 by kakachik77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 You have to be wise, and not let your emotions decide your actions. .... What is love, if not an emotion? Does not love drive marriage? Moreover, isn't it more important that two people should truly commit to eachother for a lifelong bond, rather than simply throw on a ring a declare themselves married, only to be able to reverse the decision in the future? I think one should draw the difference between modern marriage, and the bond of love. So yes, sex out of marriage is adultery. Nope. Does not follow. Two people can be very much in love, and make love, yet not be married. The bond of love has very little to do with the bond of marraige. Marriage is simply and institution - and much less meaningful today than it was in biblical times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral. I don't agree with this. It is very vague. What does it mean to be sexually immoral? And isn't there enough evil in this world for God to deal with instead of having to worry about an individual's sexual preference? We are all sinners, but with God we can be clean. Do you mean that we are born sinners? I don't agree with this either. I didn't choose to be born. If there is a God, he was responsible for my birth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 do you at least play with yourself, Seb? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 in fact everyone should stay virgin untill they die, vor es taghtkali mardkutyan qoq@ ktrvi... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 in fact everyone should stay virgin untill they die, vor es taghtkali mardkutyan qoq@ ktrvi... Հարութ ինչու աշխարհից այսպէս բեզարէլ ես? Եւ ինչու թրքերեն ես խոսում, արմատ բառը մոռացել ես? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 Հարութ ինչու աշխարհից այսպէս բեզարէլ ես? http://armenianpoetry.com/arm/1756.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 (edited) http://armenianpoetry.com/arm/1756.html Harut jan: Yes al kezi neman gezkam. Pezarel em martotsmen polorovin djishd kezi bes. Voch meg houys yev aghegoutyoun menatser eh martots mech gam vera. Shaaaaaaaad iravounk ounis. Edited November 19, 2005 by Anahid Takouhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 (edited) As much as you'd like to justify pre-marital sex, It's not gonna work man. That's why there's unwanted pregnancy and STD around. Do you think they'd exist if everyone followed God? You can't go against God and think you're gonna be fine. Many people regret having pre-marital sex with people they think they "love". You have to be wise, and not let your emotions decide your actions. The other day, it was about 2 am, I could not sleep, so i decided to walk outside a little bit. I saw a light, a man came out from it, he was all dressed in white. He told me he was a god and that he created and was simulating 2.3% of the universe in our multiverse. He also told me that hw was in the system, kind of like the way people who were liberated from the Matrix were reentering in the system in the movie. It just happened that I had a pocket bible with me. Don't ask me how, I could not figure it myself. I gave it to him and told him the image that Christians have of god. He read it and said that he could not know if all what was in the bible was fake, he told me that probably the girl who created 5.9% of the universes in the multiverse knew a little more, since that person was the one that created the most universe alone and that hald of the total numbers of the universes was created by Quantum bubbles. He took the bible and entered in a vortex, I could not believe what I was seeing. He came back with that girl, it was the first time he was seeing her, it happened that both have fallen in love with eachothers and converted to Christianity and are believing that the 50% of the universes that are created by inflation(Quantum bubble) are created by another god, who they've called God. And now, I'm stuck and am due to a court cases, the Universal Government which consist of a government formed by governments of the creators of multiverses. I am accused of having corrupted two gods and having converted them to Christianity. If they conclude that I'm guilty, they will take over 50% of the "me" and put them in prison, which will creat an imballance to the whole world, because of the interaction as an observer and someone being observed I have an influence there. I thought that the only way to save the world is by coverting them to Christianity too. You must help me there. What to do? Edited November 19, 2005 by QueBeceR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 What is love, if not an emotion? Does not love drive marriage? Moreover, isn't it more important that two people should truly commit to eachother for a lifelong bond, rather than simply throw on a ring a declare themselves married, only to be able to reverse the decision in the future? I think one should draw the difference between modern marriage, and the bond of love. I guess I shouldn't have used the word "emotion". What I meant by that was that we shouldn't give into sex because we feel like it at the time. That is actions led by emotions and not rationality. Being wise is making decisions that may go against what you're feeling at the time so you can have a benefit in the future (smoking, for example). The whole purpose of waiting until you're married is a test. There are whole books on why God wants you to wait ( Worth The Wait by Jason Stevens, for example). If you love someone, why can't you wait until you're married? I don't believe EVERY WORD that the Bible says, but the message is there. It's also a conscience thing. If I had sex with my girlfriend that I love (hypothetically), I would feel impure and unclean. That's just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 I don't agree with this. It is very vague. What does it mean to be sexually immoral? And isn't there enough evil in this world for God to deal with instead of having to worry about an individual's sexual preference? Do you mean that we are born sinners? I don't agree with this either. I didn't choose to be born. If there is a God, he was responsible for my birth. What is so vague about it? Being sexually immoral is self-explanatory. The evil in this world comes from the same source. God deals with evil. It doesn't matter what evil you're doing, it's evil nevertheless. No, we were born innocent until a certain age where we begin to sin. That is our choice. God gave us free will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 ... God gave us free will. Why would God do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 The other day, it was about 2 am, I could not sleep, so i decided to walk outside a little bit. I saw a light, a man came out from it, he was all dressed in white. He told me he was a god and that he created and was simulating 2.3% of the universe in our multiverse. He also told me that hw was in the system, kind of like the way people who were liberated from the Matrix were reentering in the system in the movie. It just happened that I had a pocket bible with me. Don't ask me how, I could not figure it myself. I gave it to him and told him the image that Christians have of god. He read it and said that he could not know if all what was in the bible was fake, he told me that probably the girl who created 5.9% of the universes in the multiverse knew a little more, since that person was the one that created the most universe alone and that hald of the total numbers of the universes was created by Quantum bubbles. He took the bible and entered in a vortex, I could not believe what I was seeing. He came back with that girl, it was the first time he was seeing her, it happened that both have fallen in love with eachothers and converted to Christianity and are believing that the 50% of the universes that are created by inflation(Quantum bubble) are created by another god, who they've called God. And now, I'm stuck and am due to a court cases, the Universal Government which consist of a government formed by governments of the creators of multiverses. I am accused of having corrupted two gods and having converted them to Christianity. If they conclude that I'm guilty, they will take over 50% of the "me" and put them in prison, which will creat an imballance to the whole world, because of the interaction as an observer and someone being observed I have an influence there. I thought that the only way to save the world is by coverting them to Christianity too. You must help me there. What to do? dude, commit suicide before they get you.... chop your body up really well, so they won't be able to put you back together... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanetsi Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 Why would God do that? There would be no true emotion without free will. Whatever our purpose is, it would not exist without free will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 There would be no true emotion without free will. Whatever our purpose is, it would not exist without free will. Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 There would be no true emotion without free will. Whatever our purpose is, it would not exist without free will. Exactly. So it doesn't make much sense to claim that God gave us "free will". Free will cannot be given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 Why would God do that? Because only we can save him from his faults by our struggle against our own faults. It is a fare game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 (edited) What is so vague about it? Being sexually immoral is self-explanatory. The evil in this world comes from the same source. God deals with evil. It doesn't matter what evil you're doing, it's evil nevertheless. No, we were born innocent until a certain age where we begin to sin. That is our choice. God gave us free will. Seb: Even if I agree with you and your thoughts about pre-marital sex, what do you think about certain biological needs of men. Women we know they can control it more by what their bodies go through, lets call it cycles; but what about men? Their bodies don't go through cycles like women. Therefore they need it more to regulate their cycles? I don't know, but it must be harder for men to control their sexual needs because of this. I am a woman; but regardless, as a human being I do sympathize for my other gender -men-. Edited November 20, 2005 by Anahid Takouhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 (edited) Seb: Even if I agree with you and your thoughts about pre-marital sex, what do you think about certain biological needs of men. Women we know they can control it more by what their bodies go through, lets call it cycles; but what about men? Their bodies don't go through cycles like women. Therefore they need it more to regulate their cycles? I don't know, but it must be harder for men to control their sexual needs because of this. I am a woman; but regardless, as a human being I do sympathize for my other gender -men-. I agree. It is harder for men, but believe it or not, it's not impossible. Edited November 20, 2005 by sSebB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 No need to sympathise with men ... it takes less than 5 minutes a day to regulate our cycles I think that's why God invented Internet and all the "free cycle regulating" it brings for us men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanetsi Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 Sip, you've just won yourself the "Anshnork Post of the Day" award. Bravo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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