gamavor Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 This topic reminded me an old joke! A newly wed couple (both of them broke and jobless) lying in the bed. On the next morning the groom showed some concern and asked the bride: - Darling, what we gonna have for breakfast? The bride goes: - Love, honey! They went back to the bed. On the next morning, same question and same answer. On the third morning the groom wakes up early and goes naked close to the heater. - Darling, what the hell are you doing there? - The bride asked. And the groom goes; - Warming up the breakfast, sweetheart! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 "arajin gisher@, zoqanchn u aner@ anhanper spasum en karmir xndzorin... arajin gisher@, pesi hern u mer@ anhanper spasum en karmir xndzorin..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 amusnanaluts mi shabat heto@ abarantsun hartsnum en, harsd kuys er? abarantsin el te... "aranjin gisher@ vrrodi kuyser... yerkrord gisher@ enqan el chjogi... bayts yerord gisher@ biti @nga vor kuys chi..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 Virginity is just as rediculous (if not more) than complete sexual promiscuity. I think by the time people decide to marry they should have experienced a few things in life ... this includes different people, different sexual partners if you will, living on their own, traveling if possible, supporting themselves, etc etc. Only then will they be able to make an informed and wise decision about who they want to spend the rest of their lives with and how. AMEN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 (edited) Oh, sSebB, u shouldn’t think like that about other girls: having the fact, that every man (well, ALMOST every man, as we have some nice guys around, like u) is not a virgin before their marriage, it “forces” girls to have no choice but marry men who have already been with many other women before; WHAT CAN WOMEN DO ABOUT IT? If girls wait for virgin man, they’ll never get married! Admit it! Yeah, I guess you're right. But I personally choose to stay virgin. As you said, women are "forced" to have no choice but marry men who have already been with many other women before. I find that sad...don't you? I want my wife to know that I saved my virginity for her, something I know she would appreciate And when people say they want someone experienced...what's marriage for?? You have many many years to get experience with your partner... And BTW, I'm not a nice guy just a commited Christian Edited November 16, 2005 by sSebB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 A newly wed couple (both of them broke and jobless) lying in the bed. On the next morning the groom showed some concern and asked the bride: - Darling, what we gonna have for breakfast? The bride goes: - Love, honey! They went back to the bed. On the next morning, same question and same answer. On the third morning the groom wakes up early and goes naked close to the heater. - Darling, what the hell are you doing there? - The bride asked. And the groom goes; - Warming up the breakfast, sweetheart! - thats one of the funniest jokes Ive read on this board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 Yeah, I guess you're right. But I personally choose to stay virgin. As you said, women are "forced" to have no choice but marry men who have already been with many other women before. I find that sad...don't you? I want my wife to know that I saved my virginity for her, something I know she would appreciate And when people say they want someone experienced...what's marriage for?? You have many many years to get experience with your partner... And BTW, I'm not a nice guy just a commited Christian are you sure you're going to perform well? I mean normally it takes some time for men and women to develop their sexuality and for men to last long etc etc. And if you don't you might have a very depressed wife. So consider those options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anileve Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 I know it sounds a bit preposterous, but I am speaking from my experience. I don't think it's very necessary for a man to be experienced as much as a woman. Female body is a lot more complicated and varies for every woman, where as male sexuality is not as complicated. So it takes an experienced woman to know what she likes in the act and what pleases her. I found that regardless if a man is highly experienced it's rarely an indication of his "skills," some of the most experienced men are lousy lovers. Where as if a woman is sexual and knowledgeable of her sexual mechanism she will turn any man into a good lover. So I think our society has the system backwards. If one condition has to be chosen I would say that it's a better match if a man is a virgin and a woman is experienced. But that's just my opinion, I guess it varies from a person to person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 I know it sounds a bit preposterous, but I am speaking from my experience. I don't think it's very necessary for a man to be experienced as much as a woman. Female body is a lot more complicated and varies for every woman, where as male sexuality is not as complicated. So it takes an experienced woman to know what she likes in the act and what pleases her. I found that regardless if a man is highly experienced it's rarely an indication of his "skills," some of the most experienced men are lousy lovers. Where as if a woman is sexual and knowledgeable of her sexual mechanism she will turn any man into a good lover. So I think our society has the system backwards. If one condition has to be chosen I would say that it's a better match if a man is a virgin and a woman is experienced. But that's just my opinion, I guess it varies from a person to person. that's a really great point but this kind of thinking will "fly" in the Western millieu, now try arguing the same amongst Armenians...sexuality is a supressed subject (not as bad as in some others cultures), nonetheless female sexuality is even more suppressed. Otherwise, I am 100% with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 some of the most experienced men are lousy lovers. Can I modify this? I would replace 'lousy' with 'lazy'. I know I'm generalizing here - but most sexually prolific men are out to satisfy their own urges/needs, and not necessarily those of his partners. As a result, they may pay less attention to certain aspects of the sexual act that are more geared towards her satisfaction. What an eager, less-experienced lover lacks in terms of 'experience' he will certainly make up for with his enthusiams, and genuine desire to 'prove' himself as a good lover. What it boils down to is motivation I suppose... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 (edited) that's a really great point but this kind of thinking will "fly" in the Western millieu, now try arguing the same amongst Armenians...sexuality is a supressed subject (not as bad as in some others cultures), nonetheless female sexuality is even more suppressed. Otherwise, I am 100% with you. Agreed. As a 'progressive' Armenian male, I couldn't care less if my lover is a virgin or not. But many men have want it both ways. They like to have lots of sex with many women before marriage - but then they turn around and expect virginity upon marriage. It simply can't happen that way - there won't be enough virgins! Edited November 17, 2005 by vava Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 I have to say that I do care if my potential lover is a virgin or not. i personally dont care for virgins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 are you sure you're going to perform well? I mean normally it takes some time for men and women to develop their sexuality and for men to last long etc etc. And if you don't you might have a very depressed wife. So consider those options. If that was the case, God would have made pre-marital sex acceptable and not a sin. He has the perfect plan for us, and this is not an indulgence you should give in to... Proverbs 6:32 ========== "But a man who commits adultery lacks judgment; whoever does so destroys himself." Matthew 5:27 ========= "You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery'." Romans 1:24 ========= "Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloren Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 If that was the case, God would have made pre-marital sex acceptable and not a sin. He has the perfect plan for us, and this is not an indulgence you should give in to... Proverbs 6:32 ========== "But a man who commits adultery lacks judgment; whoever does so destroys himself." Matthew 5:27 ========= "You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery'." Romans 1:24 ========= "Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another." Who is talking about "adultery" in here? Having sex with a women out of marriage is not adultery. And about "God would have made pre-marital sex acceptable and not a sin". God also made knowledge a sin.. remember why our poor ancestors were thrown out of Eden? God did not make sexual desire a sin. Men made it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Who is talking about "adultery" in here? Having sex with a women out of marriage is not adultery. And about "God would have made pre-marital sex acceptable and not a sin". God also made knowledge a sin.. remember why our poor ancestors were thrown out of Eden? God did not make sexual desire a sin. Men made it. They were thrown out because satan tempted them and tricked them into thinking they can eat the apple and nothing would come about. That is a direct disobedience towards God, so I don't know what you mean by knowledge as a sin. And yes, sex out of marriage is adultery... Just to set the record straight, God did not create sin (sexual desire), satan did. Humans are sinners by nature (because of Adam+Eve) as a result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 COME on sSebB ... we all know what "swallowing the apple" is supposed to represent. The reason they got thrown out of eaden was because eve swallowed. If only she had spit, we'd be all fine now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 (edited) COME on sSebB ... we all know what "swallowing the apple" is supposed to represent. The reason they got thrown out of eaden was because eve swallowed. If only she had spit, we'd be all fine now. Genesis 3:3 "but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' " So much for your "spitting the apple" theory... Edited November 18, 2005 by sSebB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloren Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 They were thrown out because satan tempted them and tricked them into thinking they can eat the apple and nothing would come about. That is a direct disobedience towards God, so I don't know what you mean by knowledge as a sin. And yes, sex out of marriage is adultery... Just to set the record straight, God did not create sin (sexual desire), satan did. Humans are sinners by nature (because of Adam+Eve) as a result. That fruit represented knowledge. That is what I mean by "Knowledge is a sin". And No, Sex out of marriage is not adultery.. Adultery: Voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and a partner other than the lawful spouse. Two people not married, loving each other and having sex is NOT adultery.. Adultery is cheating on you wife and THAT, yes, is punishable (by divorce usually). And i'd rather say humans are curious by nature, not sinners. And because of the tons of things forbidden by the Church.. well.. of course we look like sinners! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 (edited) And i'd rather say humans are curious by nature, not sinners. And because of the tons of things forbidden by the Church.. well.. of course we look like sinners! I renounced my religion as soon as I found out too much food is a sin ... heck if hell is like a one big buffet, I'm THERE!!!!! Who needs the celery sticks and uncooked healthy stuff in Heaven when you got ETERNAL xhorovats in Hell? (the fire kindly provided by the devil). Edit: I also just reminded myself of this http://www.duffzone.co.uk/framegrabs/fabf23/fabf23-005.jpg Edited November 18, 2005 by Sip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 I remember the night before my wedding night, my friends took me out, and got me drunk next day I hardly could stand on my feet, after the wedding we came home and sleeped like a baby, next morning at 6am we had to fly to tahiti so i sleepet all the way 12 hours becouse of the time zones i sleepet next day also, and a day after, belive it or not i arranged a small wedding just for 2 of us on the 4th day when i came around from the handover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 I remember the night before my wedding night, my friends took me out, and got me drunk next day I hardly could stand on my feet, after the wedding we came home and sleeped like a baby, next morning at 6am we had to fly to tahiti so i sleepet all the way 12 hours becouse of the time zones i sleepet next day also, and a day after, belive it or not i arranged a small wedding just for 2 of us on the 4th day when i came around from the handover Dear Ed: At least you and your friends didn't do worse things. I heard some guys they reaaally go wild and very very naughty. I don't like that because it would be disrespect towards your spouse to be. But some guys they don't care. That wouldn't be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 (edited) That fruit represented knowledge. That is what I mean by "Knowledge is a sin". And No, Sex out of marriage is not adultery.. Adultery: Voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and a partner other than the lawful spouse. Two people not married, loving each other and having sex is NOT adultery.. Adultery is cheating on you wife and THAT, yes, is punishable (by divorce usually). And i'd rather say humans are curious by nature, not sinners. And because of the tons of things forbidden by the Church.. well.. of course we look like sinners! As much as you'd like to justify pre-marital sex, It's not gonna work man. That's why there's unwanted pregnancy and STD around. Do you think they'd exist if everyone followed God? You can't go against God and think you're gonna be fine. Many people regret having pre-marital sex with people they think they "love". You have to be wise, and not let your emotions decide your actions. Matthew 26:41 ######### "Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the body is weak." The physical journey of waiting until you're married has purpose behind it, and is not just a tradition influenced on society by the church. Adultery is no different than lust. They are both sinful. They both destroy lives. Matthew 5:28 ######### "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." So yes, sex out of marriage is adultery. Edited November 19, 2005 by sSebB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 sSebB, your views regarding pre-marital sex are well taken. But why bring God into the picture? Why quote from the Bible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloren Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 As much as you'd like to justify pre-marital sex, It's not gonna work man. That's why there's unwanted pregnancy and STD around. Do you think they'd exist if everyone followed God? You can't go against God and think you're gonna be fine. Many people regret having pre-marital sex with people they think they "love". You have to be wise, and not let your emotions decide your actions. Matthew 26:41 ######### "Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the body is weak." The physical journey of waiting until you're married has purpose behind it, and is not just a tradition influenced on society by the church. Adultery is no different than lust. They are both sinful. They both destroy lives. Matthew 5:28 ######### "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." So yes, sex out of marriage is adultery. No no, I still don't agree I am not trying to justify pre-marital sex. I am just trying to make you understand that adultery has NOTHING to do with pre-marital sex. Look up the definition of the word, adultery is sex between a married person and a person other than the spouse. I don't see any pre-marital thing in here. Even your quotes from the Bible doesn't talk about pre-marital sex. It talks about adultery, except for this: The physical journey of waiting until you're married has purpose behind it, and is not just a tradition influenced on society by the church. And in this sentence, it says it has a purpose, It doesn't say it's a sin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 (edited) No no, I still don't agree I am not trying to justify pre-marital sex. I am just trying to make you understand that adultery has NOTHING to do with pre-marital sex. Look up the definition of the word, adultery is sex between a married person and a person other than the spouse. I don't see any pre-marital thing in here. Even your quotes from the Bible doesn't talk about pre-marital sex. It talks about adultery, except for this: And in this sentence, it says it has a purpose, It doesn't say it's a sin. If that last verse I quoted didn't do it for you, I don't know what will. The purpose part came from me, lol, not the Bible. And to anoushik, I am expressing my views as a Christian, and as a follower of Christ, that is where my thoughts and mentality originate from (Bible and God). Understood? Edited November 19, 2005 by sSebB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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