THOTH Posted December 6, 2003 Report Share Posted December 6, 2003 Hey Dan I'm with on this one for the most part...wave whatever t f flag you want to - what business is it of anyone elses...etc etc...(but also try not to be so sensitive your self OK) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted December 6, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2003 Are you referring to me by that? I was referring to the all to proud Armenian flag-waving crowd in the US while they are standing in welfare lines, maxing out their Medicare insurance claims, and spending food stamps to buy food after pumping 93 octane gas in their M3 Beamers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted December 6, 2003 Report Share Posted December 6, 2003 I believe I am. I always debate with myself, meaning that I try to put myself in the situation of others dealing with me, as well as seeing it from my viewpoint. I don't think anyone can master debate if he/she is unable to defend any side he/she is cast on. So yes, I am critical of myself and I see my faults and failings. As the saying goes, ammen mart ir achkin mechi keraneh bedk eh desneh, ourishin achkin pousheh desnelen arach, or something like that... My Armenian is not the best, so correct me if I made any grammatical mistakes/errors. I am not concerned with your grammar. But what is it with you and "debating?" Don't you find your fixation with it somewhat pathological? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted December 6, 2003 Report Share Posted December 6, 2003 Hey Dan I'm with on this one for the most part...wave whatever t f flag you want to - what business is it of anyone elses...etc etc...(but also try not to be so sensitive your self OK) lol, yeah, I am pretty sensitive when it comes down to people telling me what I should and should not do, and more often than not, I can't help it and start arguing, even though I said I wouldn't reply. Â Note to MJ -- see, I AM critical of myself. And no, I did not say the above just to prove to you that I am..lol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted December 6, 2003 Report Share Posted December 6, 2003 I was referring to the all to proud Armenian flag-waving crowd in the US while they are standing in welfare lines, maxing out their Medicare insurance claims, and spending food stamps to buy food after pumping 93 octane gas in their M3 Beamers. lmao... riiiight. that's so true.. and sad. it also gives a bad picture of Armenians.. and then other Armenians say that when ppl talk things like that about them, they do that cos they are jealous of us... i mean, c'mon people, we gotta be realistic and see our faults too... eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted December 6, 2003 Report Share Posted December 6, 2003 I am not concerned with your grammar. But what is it with you and "debating?" Don't you find your fixation with it somewhat pathological? Now now, MJ... let's not get into what's pathological and what's not.... Yeah, I'm fixated on debating and its rules, but ummm, do you mind? The person I was talking to was trying to have a debate without making any sense. And mind you, I'm not saying that he/she didn't make sense 'cos I don't agree with him/her. It's just that people should be realistic about what they are saying and whether or not it is feasible, and frequently check whether they are being hypocritical - because improvement does not come by itself. It's usually the result of observation that is not blind... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lev7 Posted December 8, 2003 Report Share Posted December 8, 2003 it's sad there not gonna be any armenians in armenia huh? well you are always welcome to go and live over there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud EXPAT Posted February 29, 2004 Report Share Posted February 29, 2004 Los Angeles Daily News, CA Feb 28 2004 20 fraud suspects arrested D.A.: Welfare bilked in excess of $1 million By City News Service City News Service Sixteen people from the San Fernando Valley were among 20 people arrested Friday on suspicion of filing false welfare claims totaling more than $1 million. The arrests were the latest in a continuing crackdown on welfare cheats, said James Cosper, head deputy of the District Attorney's Welfare Fraud Division. Arrested were: Hovhanes Takvoryan, 30, and his wife, Rakel Manukyan, 28, of Van Nuys; Sarkis Takvokyan, 52, his wife, Anahit Takvoryan, 48, and their daughter-in-law, Naira Tagvoryan, 27, also of Van Nuys. Another family member, Karen Takvoryan, 29, was already in custody on another case. The family is accused of collecting more than $220,000 in public assistance between July 1995 and January 2004 while hiding the ownership of a Van Nuys auto body business, according to the District Attorney's Office.  Aykanush Khachikyan, 38, and Karapet Tatulian, 41, of Van Nuys, who are accused along with Artour Mouradian of collecting more than $150,000 between 1991 and 2001 while failing to report employment income, according to the District Attorney's Office. Avetis Kecherkyan, 48, and Nora Mandzhyan, 41, of Van Nuys, who are accused of collecting more than $107,000 in public assistance while she allegedly failed to report her husband was living with her and that the couple owned a trucking business. Tatyana Mirgorodskaya, 43, and Roman Roma Grabak, 46, of Glendale, who are accused of collecting $56,000 in public assistance while failing to report employment income. Amest Kazikyan, 40, and Sarkis Gavutyan, 40, of North Hollywood, who allegedly collected $72,000 in welfare payments. Sonia Pogosian, 48, of North Hollywood, who allegedly collected more than $76,000 in public assistance between July 1998 and January 2004 while failing to report the purchase of several vehicles and trips to Germany and Armenia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yerevanian Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 What pride??? I do not know about the Armenians here, but the Hayastancis lost their pride after Gorbachev sold the USSR to America. Have you even been to Armenia? People beg for money on every conrner and people starve and you are talking about pride, please. It's more important to feed your family than starve but have your pride. I lived during the horror years in Armenia, where we had no electricity, bread nor heat and you had to do everything to survive. So don't go judging Hayastancis. They come here for a better life and why not get some money from the government. That money is wasted on stupid wars and goes the black families who lived all their lives here. Right now pride means nothing to people who come here with nothing and have to start all over again. So my advice to the people who judge Hayastancis is to go to Armenia and live there with the salaries that people receive there and then we will talk about pride. Thank you so much for this post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yerevanian Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 (edited) Armenians speak Turkish within their friend and families and you argue with Dan about his flag? Edited May 7, 2004 by Yerevanian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koko Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 Armenians speak Turkish within their friend and families and you argue with Dan about his flag?  Very well said! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 (edited) Police seek man who fired shots in park  By Jason Kandel Staff Writer  A professional boxer who aspired to be the Armenian "Rocky" was fatally shot by other members of an organized crime ring in a dispute over a credit-card scheme, officials said Monday. Arsen Aivazian, 30, of North Hollywood was killed about 9 p.m. Saturday at Valley Plaza Park, where members of a Russian-Armenian organized crime syndicate had gathered to settle a dispute over a fraud ring, authorities said. "It was an argument over criminal activities within the group," LAPD Detective Mike Coffey said. "Credit card, gas schemes. That's what it was over." Coffey said the men argued loudly in Armenian before Aivazian -- a professional welterweight -- threw a punch at one of them. That man then pulled a gun and shot Aivazian three times in the chest before the group fled in at least three vehicles.  On Sunday, police located one of the getaway vehicles, which had been ditched in the 6400 block of Farmdale Avenue. The unidentified owner was questioned and released. Aivazian's family members in Fort Worth, Texas, said they were devastated by the news. They had nicknamed Aivazian "Rocky" because of his love for boxing. "This is a big loss," said his brother, Andranik Aivazian, 31, who was contacted by phone. "He was my little brother. We've never been apart." Aivazian emigrated with his family from Yerevan, Armenia, to Czechoslovakia, then to the United States. They settled in Fort Worth, where Aivazian got his professional boxing license in 1997. He trained with two-time world champion bantamweight boxer Paulie Ayala and Fort Worth trainer Vincent Reyes. Locally, he trained at the Wild Card Boxing Club in Hollywood. "He always put on a good fight," Reyes said. "He looked just like Rocky. He had the physique and everything. He had his sense of taste." While he was boxing he always had side jobs -- waiting tables, selling phone books, washing cars, "doing whatever he could to get his hands on money," Reyes said. But he added, "I can't see him in any organized crime or anything."  http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,20...2461316,00.html Edited October 13, 2004 by Edward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna_Karenina Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 (edited) What pride??? I do not know about the Armenians here, but the Hayastancis lost their pride after Gorbachev sold the USSR to America. Have you even been to Armenia? People beg for money on every conrner and people starve and you are talking about pride, please. It's more important to feed your family than starve but have your pride. I lived during the horror years in Armenia, where we had no electricity, bread nor heat and you had to do everything to survive. So don't go judging Hayastancis. They come here for a better life and why not get some money from the government. That money is wasted on stupid wars and goes the black families who lived all their lives here. Right now pride means nothing to people who come here with nothing and have to start all over again. So my advice to the people who judge Hayastancis is to go to Armenia and live there with the salaries that people receive there and then we will talk about pride. style_images/master/snapback.png Oh please, not that again. I used to live in Armenia, and if one wanted to earn money, one had the means to do so. Many Armenians don't want to work, because frankly they know that their relatives in Diaspora will be willing to send them money, because after all they are the ones who live and suffer in Armenia. Many have unrealistic expectations in finding work, for example all the young girls in Armenia only want a job in a confortable office. Ok reality check, you don't know a thing about computers, have no degree whatsoever, even if you do, it is bought by your rich daddy, so how can you expect to get an administrative job??? True they don't have pride, because they beg too much, rather than go do something productive with their time. They should be happy that at least they have a house, and one day they will not be thrown out to the street because they don't have enough money to pay the mortgage. I was in Armenia those times, when there was no electricity, bread, and to top it all off I lived in a city that was turned into ruins after the earthquake. Everyone found ways to get through those times. I mean when people emmigrate to the US or Canada, I don't think they live in better conditions in their first few months. Life's tough, but what can you do? If Armenians in diaspora are able to survive, than I am pretty sure Armenians can do the same in Armenia, and even more. Edited October 22, 2004 by Armen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna_Karenina Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 I am sorry I meant to quote Lev7 not Armat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 What pride??? I do not know about the Armenians here, but the Hayastancis lost their pride after Gorbachev sold the USSR to America. Have you even been to Armenia? People beg for money on every conrner and people starve and you are talking about pride, please. It's more important to feed your family than starve but have your pride. I lived during the horror years in Armenia, where we had no electricity, bread nor heat and you had to do everything to survive. So don't go judging Hayastancis. They come here for a better life and why not get some money from the government. That money is wasted on stupid wars and goes the black families who lived all their lives here. Right now pride means nothing to people who come here with nothing and have to start all over again. So my advice to the people who judge Hayastancis is to go to Armenia and live there with the salaries that people receive there and then we will talk about pride. style_images/master/snapback.png Lev7 you rule!  You just forgot to mention that most women in Armenia have become prostitutes to Turks and Persians to feed their families...and where is the Armenian Benevolent Union and the likes I ask.....sitting here and criticizing the poverty striken people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 how can you be proud of being british? british people have destroyed almost half of Asia and M.E they have fought more wars than any other people. the british people have oppress millions of people around the world because of the British colonies. i would not shut my mouth when people like you coming here and talk shit about the Armenians. if you really are proud of being armenian stop use the British flag or else you are not wellcome here any more. how can you be proud of being Armenian and use the British flag? HAYASTAN FOR LIFE WHERE EVER YOU ARE MY ARMENIAN BROTHERS. style_images/master/snapback.png agree, get rid of that stupid British flag -the pirates were sponsored by the BRITISH THRONE to steal the gold from the Spanish ships coming back from the Americas. They are the biggest crooks, they just happen to have the power to "adjust" history to make themselves look better. -another theory exists that the only reason the Brits got to industrialization was because of the money pouring in from the SLAVE trade in the Americas - the most demoralized act in the history of the world- just ask the Black Americans who are "i am so happy" getting what they deserve back through the present day welfare system (think of so many years of free slave work that went in to build British-American wealth). So many thing you guys YET do not comprehend about the world, Armenians are highly respected and yes "envied" in LA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna_Karenina Posted November 13, 2004 Report Share Posted November 13, 2004 Lev7 you rule!  You just forgot to mention that most women in Armenia have become prostitutes to Turks and Persians to feed their families...and where is the Armenian Benevolent Union and the likes I ask.....sitting here and criticizing the poverty striken people. style_images/master/snapback.png Have you ever been to Armenia? or lived there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted November 13, 2004 Report Share Posted November 13, 2004 Lev7 you rule!  You just forgot to mention that most women in Armenia have become prostitutes to Turks and Persians to feed their families...and where is the Armenian Benevolent Union and the likes I ask.....sitting here and criticizing the poverty striken people. style_images/master/snapback.png What a bold statement, most women? Well, what can I say, maybe SOME did prostitution, but most? makes me wonder when someone types these kind of words, thoughts one has a reality and facts at hand or merely a convenient way of describing the situation, yes I heard and know, but that’s just a very small percentage! What makes it so tragic is women who couldn’t nor were able to take care of the family had committed suicide rather selling them self’s for prostitution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Guys, help me to develop a position on this case. After reading it I could not understand weather I was mad at that family or sorry for them. Â http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,3...2534183,00.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Guys, help me to develop a position on this case. After reading it I could not understand weather I was mad at that family or sorry for them.  http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,3...2534183,00.html style_images/master/snapback.png Indeed, when there are competing issues as in this one, it is hard to crystallize a simple position. Have you chosen it as a case-study, and do you need to take a clear-cut position? The family is clearly not interested in toughing it out in Armenia, or preserving their heritage; they seem motivated solely by improving their living conditions. As such, a concerned Armenian, as an Armenian, need not do anything more than shrug his/her shoulders, perhaps wish them well, and move on; because they are unlikely to stay Armenian unless the "what's in it for me?" question is answered profitably and in the materialistic sense. However, to a neutral observer, while some of their moral values appear questionable to say the least, they get high marks for being enterprising, both in the way they got out of Armenia, and the way they managed to gain the sympathy of the normally xenophobic (or at least uninterested) small-town folk and mobilized them. Speaking from an Armenian perspective, I would choose the road of benign neglect. That is, I wouldn't invest any capital (emotional or otherwise) in them, although I would not wish them to suffer. I don't know whether this qualifies as a "position". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Indeed, when there are competing issues as in this one, it is hard to crystallize a simple position. Have you chosen it as a case-study, and do you need to take a clear-cut position? The family is clearly not interested in toughing it out in Armenia, or preserving their heritage; they seem motivated solely by improving their living conditions. As such, a concerned Armenian, as an Armenian, need not do anything more than shrug his/her shoulders, perhaps wish them well, and move on; because they are unlikely to stay Armenian unless the "what's in it for me?" question is answered profitably and in the materialistic sense. However, to a neutral observer, while some of their moral values appear questionable to say the least, they get high marks for being enterprising, both in the way they got out of Armenia, and the way they managed to gain the sympathy of the normally xenophobic (or at least uninterested) small-town folk and mobilized them. Speaking from an Armenian perspective, I would choose the road of benign neglect. That is, I wouldn't invest any capital (emotional or otherwise) in them, although I would not wish them to suffer. I don't know whether this qualifies as a "position". style_images/master/snapback.png Thanks for the reply TB. That's a good personal stance. But this is only one of the cases that got publicised as you know. There are lots of other people who come here escaping "The Russian mafia", "Religious persecution" or other more unbelivable legends. It's interesting that people have to say such things in order to be accepted in the U.S. If they were in a very difficult situation in Armenia I can neglect their immoral approach to marrige, etc. But pouring dirt on Armenia is too much. At least they could keep low profile. Too conraversial ...  No, I am not doing a case study but it was raised during an immigration course in the parrallel class which I don't take and the professor e-mailed me to come and participate. I am going to have a realy hard time there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nané Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 Los Angeles Daily News - 10/11/04 Russian-Armenian organized crime 'like the 1930s New York mob' By Jason Kandel GLENDALE -- It wasn’t the price of cucumbers but murder that Eddy Gyulnazaryan and his pals were talking about that day back in March 2001 in the backroom of his Atlas Pick pickle factory. Rival Russian-Armenian gangs were at war and Gyulnazaryan, a beefy 40-year-old family man with the gift of gab, wanted some people killed. As he fired off several rounds into a stack of phone books, Gyulnazaryan made an offer that couldn’t be refused -- a $5,000 contract to "eliminate" a man who had gotten under his skin. What Gyulnazaryan didn’t know was that one of the pals was wired. He had turned and become a confidential informant working with an organized crime task force that was able to use this information to win convictions of the ringleader and five others on charges of solicitation of murder. At least 14 murders, 100 attempted killings and seven kidnappings have been blamed on Russian-Armenian gangsters operating across the San Fernando Valley region since 2000. The groups are fueled by lucrative white collar frauds -- including credit card, immigration, auto insurance, cigarette tax evasion, identity theft, welfare and health care. "They’re very much organized criminals. They’re very violent. They’re dangerous," said Glendale police Sgt. Steve Davey, who heads the Eurasian Organized Crime Task Force, comprising federal, state and local authorities. "They’re not afraid of using violence to solve their disputes. They shoot up homes and cars. It’s like the 1930s New York mob." According to court documents and interviews, Gyulnazaryan wanted to hire hit men to kill four unidentified men, two from Long Beach. There also was a plan to hire jailed Latino gang members to kill two of his rivals, Emil Airapetian 25, and Armen Sharopetrosian, 26, who were also in jail. Authorities said "there have been many documented shootings" between the rival Russian-Armenian gangs in recent years. Police said in court documents that they believed Gyulnazaryan’s group was "heavily involved in credit card fraud, MediCal and Medicare fraud, check fraud, drug trafficking, extortion and numerous shootings, assaults and other violent crimes ... and have access to large sums of money obtained through their various criminal enterprises." A break in the case The FBI got their break when Gyulnazaryan asked one of his closest allies, with whom he had previously worked on auto insurance fraud scams, if he would carry out a hit. That man, who was not identified, had been an informant for the FBI before. From then on, he agreed to wear a wire and secretly record conversations among the group. Offers of up to $20,000 were made to "eliminate" members of rival criminal organizations. But the jailhouse killings proved too complicated to carry out. In March 2003, police raided the homes of Gyulnazaryan and his associates Gayk Tadevosyan, 40 ; Gagik Galoyan, 55 ; Anthony Armenta, 25 ; Andranik Safaryan, 24 ; and Edgar Hatamian, 23. Gyulnazaryan pleaded no contest Thursday to solicitation of murder charges and was sentenced to 15 years in prison. The others pleaded no contest to solicitation of murder charges and were sentenced to prison terms ranging from three to nine years. Galoyan received a nine-year suspended prison sentence and five years’ probation. Galoyan had grown up with Gyulnazaryan in Armenia and went into business with him at the pickle factory, which closed down two years ago. "These guys have come from Armenia. They have known each other for years. They have grown up with each other," said Galoyan’s attorney, Fred Minassian. "My client is known in the Armenian community as an elder statesman. In no way is he a mobster." Gyulnazaryan’s attorney, Michael Levin, said his client is not violent and did not head up an organized crime ring. "My client has got a big mouth. He likes to talk. But what the (police) got on tape makes him sound like Tony Soprano," he said. "He’s a hard-working family man." Russian mob history Authorities said Russian mobs became more and more prevalent in the United States in the 1990s as people from former Soviet bloc countries began emigrating here. They settled in New York, Brighton Beach, Fla., and Los Angeles. Up to 6,000 people are connected with 15 loosely organized crime groups in the United States that include Ukrainians, Lithuanians and, locally, Armenians. In Glendale, where about a third of the 204,000 residents are Armenian, police estimate that there are about 500 Armenian criminals connected to organized crime. Police have been challenged in trying to crack the rings because of a lack of resources, a lack of familiarity with the culture and victims too afraid to report the crimes. Sukharenko Alexander, a senior fellow of the Organized Crime Study Center of the Far East State University, said Russian-Armenian syndicates are part of large international crime networks. They have seemingly infinite resources and escape routes to countries with no extradition treaties. "This allows them to launder huge amounts of money, smuggle drugs and stolen vehicles, and import criminals to carry out contract murders and fraud," Alexander said. Los Angeles County sheriff’s Detective Alex Gilinets, who works the Major Crimes Bureau, said the groups are not always bound by strict rules or regulations like the old-time mobs and can be more violent. "It’s, who can I make my next big buck with ?" Gilinets said. Sara Vinson, a criminal intelligence analyst with the state Justice Department’s Eurasian Organized Crime unit, said victims are too scared to come forward. "Their fear of organized crime groups is bigger than their fear of our criminal justice system," Vinson said. "A lot of them have family back home that they can’t protect, and they have that hanging over their head." LAPD Detective Martin Pinner is having a hard time getting witnesses to come forward from a murder in North Hollywood. Karapet Ksadzhikyan, 50, was ambushed by two men in a suspected mob hit as he walked to his bread delivery truck outside his home in the 13000 block of Archwood Street on Nov. 24. "No one cooperates," he said. "No one’s saying anything. No one knows anything." Glendale police and city officials, including Mayor Bob Yousefian, himself an Iranian-Armenian-American, has been pushing for more cops, especially Armenian-speaking officers, to fight the scourge. But they face an uphill battle. Many deny there is an organized crime problem. "We don’t have the manpower to dedicate officers to task forces," Yousefian said. "We’re getting to the point that we have this huge elephant standing in the middle of the room, and we all have closed our eyes. Everybody is saying there is no elephant there. We have an issue. We need to deal with it." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I was not able to retrieve the article on www.dailynews.com (not sure why, as I was able to before). But interestingly enough I found a reprint on a Turkish site.  http://news.turkiyemiz.biz/article422.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nané Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 Road rage suspect caught in Armenia By Jason Kandel Staff Writer One of the FBI's most wanted fugitives has been captured and returned to Los Angeles four years after fleeing to Armenia after killing a man during a vicious road rage incident in Universal City, authorities said Thursday. Shahen Keshishian, 32, a former truck driver from Burbank and a U.S. citizen, was arrested this week by Armenian authorities at his apartment in Yerevan, the country's capital. FBI agents and Glendale police, who were in the country on unrelated business, located Keshishian after detectives in the Los Angeles Police Department's North Hollywood Division asked for assistance tracking him down. They quickly located him and informed Armenian authorities, who arrested him for overstaying his visa. Keshishian was promptly handed over to U.S. authorities.  "I am pleased as punch. I am just so elated," said LAPD Detective Martin Pinner of the North Hollywood Division's homicide unit, who returned from Armenia on Wednesday with the suspect. "This arrest, I do believe, came as a result of policemen talking to policemen, and massive cooperation with other agencies in two different countries." LAPD Deputy Chief Ronald Bergmann, who oversees the LAPD's Valley Bureau, praised the work of North Hollywood Division detectives. "This is an example, once again, of how we do police work in the Valley. We try to always get our man. North Hollywood did a great job putting it all together." FBI officials said the arrest was a warning to criminals who have fled the country. "This arrest should send the message to individuals who flee to Armenia and other countries that it's not a safe haven," said FBI spokeswoman Laura Eimiller. Keshishian has been charged with murder and is expected to appear in court Nov. 24. He is being held at the Twin Towers Jail in lieu of $1 million bail. He is accused of running down freelance film editor Michael Craven, 44, of Canoga Park with a black Chevrolet Suburban on April 29, 2000, after the men became involved in a road rage confrontation along the Hollywood Freeway. Craven had been driving on the freeway after dinner with a friend when several men in their 20s pulled up in the black Suburban and threw eggs. One of the drivers had apparently cut in front of the other. Authorities say Craven pulled to the side of the freeway just south of Barham Boulevard to confront the suspect, and the Suburban driver stopped behind him. A passenger in the Suburban then threw a beer bottle at Craven's Jeep. Police said that after Craven got out of his Jeep, the Suburban was seen backing up, then driving forward, running Craven over. He died hours later. Minutes after the incident, Keshishian was ticketed for speeding, but police did not connect him with the earlier road-rage case. A month later, officials issued a $25,000 reward for his capture and released a composite sketch. Three months after the killing, Keshishian was listed as one of the FBI's most wanted. The Suburban was a key clue that eventually led to the international manhunt, Pinner said. An unidentified person had fraudulently bought the SUV and loaned it to Keshishian the night of the murder. "We researched every Suburban purchased in the time frame around the murder," Pinner said. "We looked for him all over the U.S. with the help of the FBI and tons of agencies. Boston, New York. I spoke to people in Texas. We did a lot of work." Detectives continue to search for the passengers in the SUV that night. "It was the passenger throwing the stuff at the victim," Pinner said. "It's a felony. The passenger is also going to jail. I'd love to figure out who he is."  --- Jason Kandel, (818) 713-3664 jason.kandel@dailynews.com   Note: and he was not the only one captured and brought back to the states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nané Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 Regardless of all this media attention, Armenians (from any country) are not doing ANYTHING that is not being done by other ethnic groups. More on the topic in the future ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 (edited) what's all this russian-armenian thing about? why do they attach russian to it, when apperently what this people do has nothing to do with russia, russians, or russian mafia? it just adds this cool factor to it? or it's just a way of for some people to alienate themselves from it, by saying "it's not us, it's them, the russian-armenians"? Edited November 19, 2004 by Harut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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