America-Hye Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 Arad, Tell me! What do we stand for? In LA, do we stand for the criminal activity rampant in our community? Do we stand or intolerance in all it's forms? Do we stand for prostitution in all the red light districts of Turkey and the Middle East? Is this what we stand for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 Arad, I did not depart from "MY" church. Parts of my family have been Catholic since the Cilician Kingdom, and in fact we are partially French from that era. The Church I departed from at a tender age was the Catholic Church, or the Church departed from me. My parents abruptly pulled us out of that Church when I was 7 to raise us as Protestants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axel Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 We need to LIVE not DIE. Well this is true. But it is better to die as a human than live as an animal. A people with no ideal nor faith is mere cattle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arad9 Posted September 16, 2003 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 Jesus said matthew 10:38and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. pick up your cross and follow him. It means to pick-up your cross of suffering, I am not saying, go and kill yourself, what I am saying is to keep our faith and traditions regardless of suffering. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 I am saying is to keep our faith and traditions regardless of suffering. that's one good piece of advice.i'm going to keep OUR faith and traditions, OUR VERY own faith and traditions. you know, the ones the Christians tried to erase from within us.how's that for a change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 Jesus said ...(TBN Channel:38) Can I get an Amen and a Halleluiah ... I feel the POWA of tha LOOOORD I can almost hear the gospel choir singing in the background here in this thread!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 From Harut: that's one good piece of advice.i'm going to keep OUR faith and traditions, OUR VERY own faith and traditions. you know, the ones the Christians tried to erase from within us.how's that for a change? Harut, Please explain which faith and traditions you are speaking of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 Harut, Please explain which faith and traditions you are speaking of. preChristian traditions and faith.if it's bad to change one's faith, then wouldn't converting to Christianity be seen equally bad by Christian laws? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arad9 Posted September 17, 2003 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 Harout If Armenians as a nation would become Muslim I wouldn’t be proud of any of the Muslim Armenian history because I’m not a Muslim, I wouldn’t care if the Muslim leader translating the Quran or about the wars the Muslims had with the ChristiansI guess it's Ok for you to change your religion but you can't be proud of the christian history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 Harout If Armenians as a nation would become Muslim I wouldn’t be proud of any of the Muslim Armenian history because I’m not a Muslim, I wouldn’t care if the Muslim leader translating the Quran or about the wars the Muslims had with the ChristiansI guess it's Ok for you to change your religion but you can't be proud of the christian history. you're not getting my point.if it's NOT ok to change OUR religion, then why did we change OUR preChristian religion with Christianity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arad9 Posted September 18, 2003 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 Harut are you asking that is it ok to convert from paganism to Christianity as a nation with no problem, but there is a problem with converting to Protestantism? There are some changes that are right and some changes are wrong. Do you think its ok for Armenian to become a Muslim for personal reasons and deny the Genocide? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted September 18, 2003 Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 Do you think its ok for Armenian to become a Muslim for personal reasons and deny the Genocide? Muslims don't deny the genocide as a policy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted September 18, 2003 Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 Do you think its ok for Armenian to become a Muslim for personal reasons and deny the Genocide? I think it's much better if we became jewish. The holidays are better, the food is more colorful, and the genocide problem will take care of itself by default. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arad9 Posted September 18, 2003 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 Muslims don't deny the genocide as a policy!Iknow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted September 18, 2003 Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 Do you think its ok for Armenian to become a Muslim for personal reasons and deny the Genocide? if i see that Allah is the truth, then why would it be wrong for me to convert. actually, at that time i wouldn't even ponder whether it is right or wrong; i would just convert. deny the Genocide? and just why did you throw that in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arad9 Posted September 19, 2003 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2003 HaroutThe problem is that there is a spiritual genocide that is going on right now that you don't know about. There are many Armenians that are being killed spiritually by cults and the occult. They are loosing their salvation due the lack of spiritual guidance and education. Since the people in this forum don't think that the Armenian Genocide is trivial. I don't think our religion and our Christian history is trivial. And has a equal amount of importance just as the Genocide. That is why it is a concern that Armenians joining other religions or religious sects. To deny the existence of a spiritual war, is the same process of Turks denying the Armenian Genocide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted October 24, 2003 Report Share Posted October 24, 2003 >>Why are there Armenians who are Protestants US missionaries of the Protestant church had set up missions in Turkey in the mid 19th century to try to convert the Kurds and Turks to the Protestant/Christian faith. They had a hard time, but as time went by they found it to convert the already Christian Armenians. They built schools and Universities and Hospitals to assist the people of Anatolia. Plus as the Genocide in 1890 started to happen these missionaries were the first line of assistance to the survivors and Armenians were thankful to them and were converting at much higher numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted October 24, 2003 Report Share Posted October 24, 2003 good point Azat- besides that- i wanted to comment on the fact that being a protestand doesnt mean you had to be roman catholic at one point just because it was the roman catholic branch of christianity that "protested" - let me give u something to ponder upon- why did we Armenians convert to christianity in the first place- the first people who accepted christianity were many of the "jews" in jerusalem- Jesus infact himself was a Jew- so if weArmenians werent jews- why did we convert to christianity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arad9 Posted October 25, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 The difference is Luther didn’t claim that he was starting a new church. He was supposed to be reforming the Roman Catholic Church Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 They had a hard time, but as time went by they found it to convert the already Christian Armenians. But how were Armenians Christians, then, Azat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 What do you mean MJ? Sorry I am a bonehead and don't understand. Armenians in Anatolia were Christian in the late 19th century. no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 What do you mean MJ? Sorry I am a bonehead and don't understand. Armenians in Anatolia were Christian in the late 19th century. no? Azat, Why did they, then, "convert" into Protestantism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 I guess I understand what you are saying. Why were Armenians in Armenia in the 90s converting to Jehovah's Witnesses and other denominations. When times are hard I guess people who ware not firm believers convert to another religion much easily. I guess I don't know. I try to stay away from religion and genocide as I do not know much, but tried to answer this question like a fool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 Why were Armenians in Armenia in the 90s converting to Jehovah's Witnesses and other denominations. When times are hard I guess people who ware not firm believers convert to another religion much easily. I disagree. I think, then and now, people were/are converting to Protestantism or whatever because they have spiritual needs which are not being satisfied (even remotely) by others who claim to have a function of filling such needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acegroup Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 Why were Armenians in Armenia in the 90s converting to Jehovah's Witnesses and other denominations. When times are hard I guess people who ware not firm believers convert to another religion much easily.Azat Jan,If we look at the early 90's when Armenia became independent, it was hard for the people there, especially no water, electricity and basic needs were difficult to meet. The group like the Jehovah's Witnesses who orginization was founded in the USA has money and lots of money. So when the Jehovah's Witnesses sent "missionaires" to Armenia it was very easy for them to get converts. They probibly offered food, water and other basic needs and to took advantage of the Armenians that were oppressed religiously by communism . Also falsely the Jehovah's Wittnesses indirectly claim to be "Christian". Also Azat if you have any questions regarding religion or Genocide a forum is a great place to ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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