Anonymouse Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 Don't forget complete "dumb ass". And I didn't pause at all before thinking that. If you want to spend your days pondering and considering in what ways the hollocaust might have been a conspiracy concucted by the Jews to find a way to make 50 million movies to make money and control the media, all I can say is don't expect me to pause and waste my time with you (the you here is directed to no one in specific). Um, all I can say is people have a misunderstanding. The Holocaust, just like any other event in history, is not a POINT in time, it is a process and a series of events. So if I question certain aspects of it, I am not deny it, that would be illogical. But alot of what was established during the Holocaust was established as "fact" during the Nuremberg trials, a farce show trial in which the victors got victors justice. I have personally studied that trial and its workings. You have not, thus you are making a judgement based on your school history books and what you've seen on documentaries and what everyone believes to be incontrovertible "fact". Until you "waste time" and actually study something, you are doing nothing but repeating previously held views by others. Show some dead bodies piled up on each other, some cans of Zyklon B, and some Jewish stars, and voila you have a Holocaust and the belief is molded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 Erdogan and "Mouse" two peas in a pod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 Erdogan and "Mouse" two peas in a pod. Dear Lord, bless the union of Idiot and Computer, and keep the 'tards a-coming. Amen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 It is your kind that is holding us back. You are hell-bent on turning the Jews against us. Are we sure that you are not a Turk working for the MIT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 It is your kind that is holding us back. You are hell-bent on turning the Jews against us. Are we sure that you are not a Turk working for the MIT? "My kind"? LOL. Um, I am not against anyone, I am against those who are against truth, and I don't care if they are Jews, Turks, or Armenians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 It is your kind that is holding us back. You are hell-bent on turning the Jews against us. Are we sure that you are not a Turk working for the MIT? the jews can turn against whoever the hell they want, like i care. or are you scared for your pro-jewish *** if they come for us, because you're an Armenian and are scared that they'd classify you with the rest of us "anti-semites"? choose your allies wisely, and read the talmud before you choose jews as allies. their "holy" books allow the killing of non-jews if it is for the advancement of the zionist goal. as for your comment about whoever being a Turk working for the MIT, i don't know who it was directed at, but by the same token -- are you a jew working for the uhhh jewnited states of america? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 I think that this thread is in right field. You have have your Jew-hating party by yourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 oooooh great here we go with the political arguments...cant we all just get along and respect eachother's views....questioning history doesnt imply denial..just questioning...as questioning many other things...and by questioning you cant turn one person against another...lets not turn one debate into a "conspiracy" where just because people view situations differently and choose to question, they are said to be turning thw jews against us....first of all SIMME DAWN NAW...chill america-hye...this is just a thread...not some kind of uprising or racial hatred...america-hye seems like youre not good with debating or arguing...just state what you think..dont jump to conclusions and labeling people...that sux ass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 I think that this thread is in right field. You have have your Jew-hating party by yourselves. I don't hate Jews, what made you think that? I hate Zionism, no different than I am American nationalism/imperialism. You're point? They are both premised on persecuting other people in the name of some other people, that is not the way it goes. If Armenia did that to, I'd be against it as well. This is a matter of principle, which you wouldn't know if it bit you on your behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 (edited) So back to dutch politics... ---- Anti-Immigration EU Laws, Dutch Law Threatens 50,000 Muslim Immigrants THE HAGUE, June 15 (IslamOnline & News Agencies) - The three parties, forming the new Dutch government, are to adopt a new law authorizing the Dutch police to repatriate more than 100,000 illegal immigrants, half of them Muslims, to their original countries. The law follows the path of other European countries, however, it sparked anger among Dutch farm owners and rights activists. The draft law was declared Thursday, June 13, 2002, by Matt Herbin, head of Pim Fortuyn’s the Liveable Netherlands. According to Herbin, illegal stay in the Netherlands will become “punishable crime”, once the new law is adopted. That was never the case in the Netherlands, where an illegal resident could face nothing more than repatriation, if arrested. The new right wing government will try to meet its electoral promises, on top of which is combating secret immigration, limiting the number of refugees and current illegal immigrants. According to organizations defending the rights of illegal residents and refugees, the number of immigrants affected by the new law is between 46 and 116 thousand people, more than half Muslims from Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Turkey, Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan. The Muslim minority is the most negatively affected by the new immigration laws, because most get married from their original countries, and bring their wives and children along. Many Muslim families also prefer to let their children stay back home till the age of 18, to preserve their national identity and language. The new law will deprive them of such a possibility too. For his part, president of Dutch Farmers Union, Dit Mann rejected the draft law Thursday, saying it will inflict heavy losses on farmers, who depend mainly on illegal residents during harvest seasons. Muslim minority represent 6% of the Dutch 16 million population. They have seven Parliamentary seats, out of 150, a record among other Muslim minorities in Europe. The Dutch tough immigration measures are only a point in a case. Other EU countries, like Britain, Spain, and Italy have already started the process of cracking down on immigration and adopting new policies of fortified borders. On Thursday, June 13, 2002, EU Interior Ministers approved a series of concrete steps leading eventually towards joint management of the European Union's external borders. Officials said there was broad consensus for the blueprint and accompanying timetable, put to EU heads of state and government at their summit in Seville, southern Spain next week. The summit takes place June 21-22 in the Andalusian capital, less than two weeks before Spain turns over the six-month rotating EU presidency to Denmark. Most notable is launching about a dozen priority measures to beef up intergovernmental cooperation, said the officials in Luxembourg. French Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy said his country was ready to coordinate a specialized center to combat criminal networks that deal in migrants. He told reporters that the French government favored intra-EU steps to ensure the return of some illegal immigrants to their countries of origin. Other initiatives agreed included an exchange of officials between points of border entry, joint programs for training border guards, and a computer network to swap information on bogus travel documents. Most of the measures are to become operational within a year. Before adopting the measures, the Interior Ministers examined a set of proposals from the Spanish EU presidency on combating illegal immigration. The European Commission thinks there might be 500,000 illegal immigrants in the EU, but it warns that a true picture is hard to get due to differences in the way that national data is collected. Thursday's meeting in Luxembourg came one day after the House of Commons adopted major changes to Britain's immigration and asylum laws. The Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Bill now goes to the House of Lords. A Spanish document is more focused on dealing with illegal immigrants who come to Europe by sea. It addresses the need to envision "measures against third countries that refuse to cooperate with the European Union in the fight against illegal immigration." Britain and Spain support such a perspective, but others like France and Sweden are reticent, and the idea is likely to be referred to EU foreign ministers who meet in Luxembourg Monday, June 17 to make final preparations for the Seville summit. For its part, Amnesty International warned Wednesday, June 12 against an EU "war" on illegal immigration, saying the number of asylum-seekers is actually on the decline. In an open letter from its Brussels office ahead of an EU summit in Spain next week, the human rights group said fear was allowed to dictate the immigration debate. "In the current climate of fear and suspicion, the balance seems to be swinging even further away to the point where human rights and in particular the right to asylum may be sacrificed for the sake of the further fortification of Europe," it said. Citing data from the UN High Commissioner for Refugees, it said the total number of asylum applications lodged in the 15 EU member states has been falling since 1999, when the Kosovo conflict caused many ethnic Albanians to seek refuge in western Europe. From 675,460 in 1992, during the violent break-up of Yugoslavia, and 396,700 in 1999, asylum applications declined to 384,530 last year, and 83,462 in January through April this year (Italy not included), Amnesty International said. "The numbers are relatively modest compared to those of many developing countries, where the vast majority of the world's refugees find shelter," it said. Immigration and asylum policy is set to be one of the top issues at the EU summit in the southern Spanish city of Seville. On June 4, 2002, the lower house of the Italian parliament also passed a series of anti-immigration measures swiftly condemned by opposition groups as "unjust and racist". The bill was approved by the conservative dominated house by 279 votes to 203, after a heated debate between the ruling coalition of Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi and the left-wing opposition. If it passes the upper house, non-EU foreigners will only be able to live in the country if they have arranged work before entering, and they will receive a residency permit only for the duration of their employment contracts - up to a maximum of two years. The bill also makes family reunions more difficult - immigrants will only be allowed to bring their children to join them if they are under 18. The government, which has frequently linked immigration with crime, will make foreigners provide fingerprints for identification purposes, while those immigrants who return to the country after being expelled will be treated as if they have committed a crime. "There aren't sufficient adjectives to describe this law," said Graziella Mascia, a member of the Refounded Communist Party told the house before the vote. "It's unjust, fascist, disgusting, enslaving and racist.". http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2002-06/15/images/pic58.jpg Caption: North African immigrants at a sit-in protest in Seville university, Spain. http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/20...article58.shtml ---- "It's unjust, fascist, disgusting, enslaving and racist.". huh, sounds like some of the stuff people on this forum have been repeating.. mind control? political correctness? take your pick... North African immigrants at a sit-in protest in Seville university, Spain. what are they protesting against? the deportation of illegal immigrants? oh yes, right, go in, go in, destroy our country, we love all Muslims. we are tolerant... see, world, we're a multicultural country... now love us. Edited February 2, 2004 by Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 oooooh great here we go with the political arguments...cant we all just get along and respect eachother's views....questioning history doesnt imply denial..just questioning...as questioning many other things...and by questioning you cant turn one person against another...lets not turn one debate into a "conspiracy" where just because people view situations differently and choose to question, they are said to be turning thw jews against us....first of all SIMME DAWN NAW...chill america-hye...this is just a thread...not some kind of uprising or racial hatred...america-hye seems like youre not good with debating or arguing...just state what you think..dont jump to conclusions and labeling people...that sux ass But that's the problem, some people who are so hopelessly dependent on the system and how it has programmed their "view" of the world, cannot fathom uncomfortable views and opinions, which might potentially give them a crack in their edifice of thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 yes i see that....extremism always brings controversy...some people just cant at least say, okay i respect your views, because they think respect means acceptance-or agreeing with ones beliefs...i just dont see why there is a need to say that since one questions something that it means that their denying it....just very ignorant and closed-mindedness....IMO please dont call me a racist agtainst jews too...irrational and immature claims...grow up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 OK, now another article to contrast Dutch intolerance with Pakistani tolerance (the same pakis who accuse Brits who welcome them to the UK of intolerance...): --- Students Want India, Pakistan Out Of Kashmir MUZAFFARABAD, June 15 (IslamOnline & News Agencies) - Dozens of pro-independence activists urged Saturday India and Pakistan to withdraw their troops from Kashmir. The demonstrators marched through the streets of Muzaffarabad to the offices of the United Nations Military Observers Group (UNMOGIP) calling for an independent Kashmir, Agence France-Presse (AFP) said. "No to India, no to Pakistan. We want only free Kashmir," said one of their banners. The National Students Federation protesters delivered a statement to UNMOGIP calling for a complete pullout of both Indian and Pakistani troops. "If India and Pakistan are so fond of testing their muscles and mettle, they should shift this war to their own borders," the statement said. "India and Pakistan should withdraw their troops from both parts of divided Kashmir and UN forces should be deployed along the Line of Control till the final and acceptable-to-all solution to long pending problems," it added. India and Pakistan, which both have nuclear arsenals, have fought two of their three wars since 1947 over the Himalayan region, AFP said. The two sides trade daily artillery fire over the Kashmir's heavily fortified border. Tension between nuclear rivals India and Pakistan has increased since the attack on the Indian parliament in December, which New Delhi blamed on Pakistan-based militants. Since then, a million soldiers have been deployed by both sides along their common borders and India and Pakistan have come dangerously close to what would be their third war over the Himalayan region. International diplomatic efforts in recent weeks saw the rivals pull back from the brink of war but New Delhi demands proof of an end to infiltrations before it will begin a troop withdrawal. http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/20...article60.shtml ---- point of the article being: if Pakis are so intolerant of Indians, i can see how they can be so tolerant of the Dutch were the Dutch to immigrate into their country... and pakis/muslims being so tolerant, they demand tolerance from the Dutch.... riiight, hypocrisy, anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 ohh one more thing...then ill shutt up...i question alot of things too, like sometimes i question about my religion and wonder if i was born into another culture, if id think the same way...well this doesnt necessarily mean im denying God or my religion, just questioning how it could have been or is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 But that's the problem, some people who are so hopelessly dependent on the system and how it has programmed their "view" of the world, cannot fathom uncomfortable views and opinions, which might potentially give them a crack in their edifice of thought. hahahahahahahahaahhaahahahahhahahahahaahahhahahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 hahahahahahahahaahhaahahahahhahahahahaahahhahahahaha Yes, you're one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 Moog, with all due respect, I think you consider too highly of yourself if you believe you can see things wether it be in society/politics, that others cant, because they have been 'programmed' not to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 Anonymouse, you are trying to make a great point but picked the worst possible time and place to do it. You are trying to tell people to consider the other possibility, but say it when some confused creature is proudly running around screaming "hollohoax"? Come on mouse, I know you are more intelligent than that. I would even agree with you but not now, and NOT here. "Open mindedness and Intelligence" are no excuses to let confusion, idiocy, biggotry, boredom, and paranoia to take over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 Moog, with all due respect, I think you consider too highly of yourself if you believe you can see things wether it be in society/politics, that others cant, because they have been 'programmed' not to. I never said I consider higly of myself. I merely said I pause and I think about information and ask questions, which 90 percent of the masses do not engage in. That is not making me better. Anyone can do it too. All you have to do is use what God gave you. And the truth is that yes our minds are being programmed to think and believe a certain way, the way those who manipulate and control information want us to. I suggest everyon reas Shun Tzu's Art of War to understand how deception and intentional misinformation work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 Mouse..as if...don't you think i havne't read basically everything you have...20 years ago..and beleive me..your picking on the wrong person for those sort of accusations...believe me...anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 Dan, just wanted to say that I agree with your position about immigrants in Europe. And I just found out that you're banned! Freedom of speech, huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 Mouse..as if...don't you think i havne't read basically everything you have...20 years ago..and beleive me..your picking on the wrong person for those sort of accusations...believe me...anyway... No I don't think you have read even half the things I have. You might claim you have online for prestige purposes, but you certainly do not filter out information nor thinking that is indicative of a questioning mind. Rather you like to wallow in certain conventional wisdoms and maintain your prism in your mind ( your ideology ) at all costs. In fact that was why you just attached me as a "hater" in the Feminism thread because you couldn't fathom dissenting views that contradicted with your 'truth' that you hold dear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 Dan, just wanted to say that I agree with your position about immigrants in Europe. And I just found out that you're banned! Freedom of speech, huh? Dan was banned? Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 I never said I consider higly of myself. I merely said I pause and I think about information and ask questions, which 90 percent of the masses do not engage in. That is not making me better. Anyone can do it too. All you have to do is use what God gave you. understood - I think its also fair to say that the 'masses' are pre-occupied with their daily lives and few have the time to really question things as you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 hmm supposedly because he was racist..go figure...they dont ban dirty old men who make suggestive comments but they ban dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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