Meet the U.S.

[TMNT]

Armjan, the only reason the United States is a superpower is due to its role in WW2. It is a well known fact that if it was not for the losses sustained by Europe and the Soviet Union, America would still be a third world country.

 

Industrially speaking, prior to WW2 the United States was still way behind Europe. The United States was still a developing nation. It was directly due to its involvement in WW2 that triggered the industrialization of the country. Most of the military and civilian technology we see today was procured after the war through German and Japanese scientists. Our entire biological and nuclear capabilities stemmed from the research conducted by Axis forces.

 

In fact, the foundation of American hegemony throughout the latter half the 20th century was due to its early nuclear capability. Much of its global strength was due to its supreme military might. This is evident today through this countries bullish attitude towards world problems, basically, Americans feel its "our way or the highway".

 

Economically speaking after WW2 the United States sustained relatively minuscule amount of damage compared to Europe. It had the power to finance the recovery of Europe. To keep it short and sweet, it is not because of "good government" that the United is a current superpower, but rather, it lucked out and was unscathed by WW2. If Washington D.C. was bombed as badly as London or if the entire west coast would have witness the launching of Japanese Biological weapons then the U.S. would be singing a different tune today.

 

In addition, I would like to point out that if it was not for the Russians, the U.S. would have lost WW2. Today, all we hear about is how "America saved Europe’s ass", but in reality it is the other way around. Russian manpower saved the U.S. and if it was not for the Armenian division of the Soviet Army Berlin would have not been breached. The Soviet division that broke through the German forces was actually an Armenian division, which is evident from the “weird dance” that did on WW2 footage.

 

Now, after being handed the keys to the world, what has the U.S. done expect relied on a bias foreign policy? The U.S. has not contributed to the progression of mankind and much of its own problems are due to is capitalistic nature. Its heavy need for resources puts it at odds against much of the world.

 

I also wanted to ask you...

 

If being American is so great why do you come to Hyeforum? See this the problem I have with your opinion, if American society is "so great", "so modern", and "so advanced", why do you still cling to your culturally roots? Why put the prefix "Armenian" before the word "American"? Instead, why don't you adopt the "American culture" as your own?

 

You salute the Red, White, and Blue, but yet every aspect of the United States that you pride yourself upon has not been represented by it for the last fifty years. To be honest, I have no problem with your American patriotism, but at least if you are going to be patriotic make sure you have thoroughly researched your adopted country’s past.

 

Your enthusiasm makes me wonder why I should even do anything for April 24. Its seems to me that your patriotism was the same patriotism held by Ottoman born Armenians towards the Ottoman Empire and we all know how that ended. They also rallied behind the progressive “Young Turks”. Apparently 100 years ago Ottoman Armenians considered Suleiman their forefather, now, you considered Washington, Jefferson, Adams, and Franklin as yours, strange how history repeats itself.

Edited May 5, 2005 by TMNT

[armjan]

If being American is so great why do you come to Hyeforum?  See this the problem I have with you disillusioned, colonized, and culturally devoid Armenians, if American culture is "so great", "so modern", and "so advanced", why do you still cling to your culturally roots?  Why put the prefix "Armenian" before the word "American"?  Instead, why don't you adopt the "American culture" as your own?

 

Why do you write in English?

I certainly don't need to ask you where I should go.

you need to check yourself. Unlike you, Armenian is what I am not what I try to be.

You need to find a part-time hobby, now get lost.

who the hell are u to tell me what i should say or do? Man, u think too highly of yourself. U have been looking at yourself in the mirror too much thinking what fine piece of art you are.

in your neighborhood, u might be something, but let me assure u, u'r not worth anything where i am.

 

You salute the Red, White, and Blue, but yet every aspect of the United States that you pride yourself upon has not been represented by it for the last fifty years.  To be honest, I have no problem with your American patriotism, but at least if you are going to be patriotic make sure you have thoroughly researched your adopted country’s past.

so which country has had a wonderful past full of peace and happiness?

 

Your enthusiasm makes me wonder why I should even do anything for April 24.  Its seems to me that your patriotism was the same patriotism held by Ottoman born Armenians towards the Ottoman Empire and we all know how that ended.

What the F*** are u talking about?

your living in some cave far from civilization...

if you don't think you should do anything for april 24, that's ur problem.

I can see you have doubts in your head, so it's not really clear to you.

 

look, its plain and simple. where am i living? In America. Why should you raise awareness about the AG to a people who don't know about it?

b/c it's my/our past genius.

I am part of the armenians that realize that they now live in america and try their best to become productive citizens here. Now get lost with your slippery slopes.

 

YOU ARE INSECURE ABOUT YOUR ARMENIAN HERITAGE. this explains your doubt.

 

I swear, and I mean this very seriously, don't f**** call me a turk, you got that?

Edited May 5, 2005 by armjan

[TMNT]

I really don't like arguing on forums, so, please don't drag this out.

 

Why do you write in English?

 

Good question, I write in English because the vast majority of Armenians speak English rather then Armenian. The irony, we have preserved a 2,000 year old dead language. By the way, writing in English and claiming I am English are entirely two different things. I don't vouch for the United States, as an "American" I am against its foreign policy. I am brave enough to admit that what Americans are doing is wrong and I certainly don't want anyone to do anything in my name. All we have become for the world is a nation of consumers. We are just born to work and buy products, nothing more or less. If you are content with this purpose in life in life then by all means be an American.

 

I certainly don't need to ask you where I should go.

you need to check yourself. Unlike you, Armenian is what I am not what I try to be.

You need to find a part-time hobby, now get lost.

who the hell are u to tell me what i should say or do? Man, u think too highly of yourself.

in your neighborhood, u might be something, but let me assure u, u'r not worth anything where i am.

 

No, I never forced you to do anything. I respect your opinions and I never stated that you are or are not Armenian. However, you yourself have stated that you are American, so, why the 180 degrees now? I just have a problem with claiming that you can be "American", while you are "Armenian". Maybe in life you can have a dual identity, but in politics you can't really walk the fence. I just don't buy that argument and never will. This stems from my resentment of the attitude previous generation, they put so much emphasis on being Armenian, but yet any mention of moving back and they get hysterical. Really think about this, you claim you are American, but yet come to a Armenian forum to post your opinions?

 

As far as your assumption that I do not have a "part-time hobby" is concerned, all I can say is don't make personal judgments. You post on these boards more often then me, so, please don't go there.

 

I also never stated that I am "somebody", I could be a bum, who posts from random places, or a world renowned surgeon.

 

so which country has had a wonderful past full of peace and happiness? 

 

Yes, it has had a wonderful past and now the economic growth of the United States is leveling. Rome lasted for only 500 years, while the Byzantine Empire lasted for 1,000 years, thus, before the U.S. can claim their "ideals" are superior over others, they still have at least 300 years to go. We need to leave our attitude of supremacy at the door.

 

You assume too much, Russia, France, and much of Europe have committed equal if not worse crimes because of colonization, however, the underlying difference is that Europe does not force its foreign policy on other nations in the name of democracy. The righteous attitude of the U.S. is disgusting and this same "righteous" attitude is what I dislike, not in my name.

 

Like I stated earlier, on the whole American supplies did help the Soviet army, but it was because of Russian manpower that tipped scales in the Allies favor. They knew this and that is why they made various pacts in Stalin's favor. Today every history book you open it states that the U.S. won the war and because of this everyone should worship America.

 

My point was already proven by your utter devotion to the United States. The country was found on the same principles that destroyed Armenians, but not suprisingly every Armenian is oblivious to this.

 

What the F*** are u talking about?

your living in some cave far from civilization...

if you don't think you should do anything for april 24, that's ur problem.

I can see you have doubts in your head, so it's not really clear to you.

 

look, its plain and simple. where am i living? In America. Why should you raise awareness about the AG to a people who don't know about it?

b/c it's my/our past genius.

I swear, and I mean this very seriously, don't f**** call me a turk, you got that?

 

No, I am not living in a cave. I am pointing out the problems of Armenians and why for 2,000 we have not amounted to anything significant, while other nations, who we influenced, have risen above us. We claim we are Armenians, we claim we are so "smart", but yet no one on these boards is willing to move back to Armenia. Instead, to mask our guilty conscious we continually send money to Armenia in a vain attempt to make the country better, but the reality is that if we want anything done, we have to do it ourselves, not depend on green dollars to do it for us.

 

When I referred to the Ottoman Empire, I was referring to is the shear ignorance by most Armenians towards history. Do you agree that the only objective of the Ottoman Empire was to wipe Armenian presence off the map? Yes, this was there objective, so, if this was the objective, wouldn't it be safe to assume that we are already on our way to completing their objection by staying in countries that force assimilation on us? Yes, so, please explain to me why I should care about April 24 if no Armenian in their right mind will ever go back to Armenia?

 

If you are a full fledged American then the massacre of a few Armenians should not really be important in the grand scheme of things. In addition, the mention of moving back or doing anything for Armenia to the previous generation is quickly followed by ridicule. Sorry, but I just don't get the Diaspora philosophy. Twenty years ago I did understand it. There was no Armenian nation and thus, there was a purpose behind maintaining your roots, but today we don't have that excuse. They want the future generation, people like you, to stay Armenian, but don't want them to move back to Armenia. It is obvious that your never going to move back, so, why put this responsibility on the next generation? What is the purpose of the Diaspora?

 

I am not calling you a "Turk", but Armenians in the Ottoman Empire were supporting the Young Turk regime. Apparently, the massacre of 400,000 by the earlier Ottoman leaders was not a clear enough signal that they need to rebel and revolt.

 

My point, this country is a ally of Turkey. The tax dollars you pay goes towards arming Turkey. In addition, the very same money they give to Turkey is used to fund propaganda against Armenians domestically, here in the states, and abroad.

 

Conclusion, don't blindly devote yourself to any cause. Every entity has a purpose, I can piece together the purpose of Americans, the need to consume world products, but when it comes to the Armenian Diaspora, there seems to be no purpose. In nature cockroaches are also the best survivors, so, does that mean survival is necessary the right choice?

Edited May 5, 2005 by TMNT

[Harut]

Good question, I write in English because the vast majority of Armenians speak English rather then Armenian. The irony, we have preserved a 2,000 year old dead language.

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wow wow wow.... what are you talking about, buddy?

[MosJan]

TMNT

Fell Free to Espeke Armenian Thsi IS After All HyeForum

 

Aggas grnas HAyeren Xosil - Verch @ vercho Asiga HyeForumn e

[TMNT]

TMNT

Fell Free to Espeke Armenian Thsi IS  After All HyeForum

 

Aggas grnas HAyeren Xosil - Verch @ vercho Asiga HyeForumn e

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Sorry, I apologize, it was not my intention to insult Armjan. I respect him and his opinions and if anything this goes to show how much the Diaspora is willing to sacrifice for the nations they reside in. He is a very intelligent person and I would consider him Armenian any day of the week. The intention of my post was misunderstood.

Edited May 5, 2005 by TMNT

[MosJan]

TMNT & ArmJan - let’'s just calm down a bit

it will be nice if you2 can put your defarances aside and make your peace

 

and du your best not to use the F word or call each other the T word

lats be nice

[armjan]

I really don't like arguing on forums, so, please don't drag this out.

 

then why write a full 1 over 500 word response. say one thing, do another. i got it.

 

Good question, I write in English because the vast majority of Armenians speak English rather then Armenian. The irony, we have preserved a 2,000 year old dead language. By the way, writing in English and claiming I am English are entirely two different things.

 

don't feel like your the only one that can write/read armenian. you weren't the only one who went to school. I don't know why you think our language is dead. Do u really want to start a grammar test here, is that what you want?

 

I don't vouch for the United States, as an "American" I am against its foreign policy.

 

what does this have to do with me? what u do on u'r time is u'r biz.

 

I am brave enough to admit that what Americans are doing is wrong and I certainly don't want anyone to do anything in my name. All we have become for the world is a nation of consumers.

 

it would only be bravery if the you had been persecuted for being the other, clearly u r not persecuted for u'r beliefs here, so it's not bravery.

 

 

We are just born to work and buy products, nothing more or less. If you are content with this purpose in life in life then by all means be an American.

 

the supplier-consumer model is present in almost every economy, and is spreading to other markets. Sure life in america may seem like a 24 hr commerical, but there is more to life.

I don't agree with "nothing more or less". There is plenty for me and my girl to do.

 

However, you yourself have stated that you are American, so, why the 180 degrees now? I just have a problem with claiming that you can be "American", while you are "Armenian". Maybe in life you can have a dual identity, but in politics you can't really walk the fence. I just don't buy that argument and never will. This stems from my resentment of the attitude previous generation, they put so much emphasis on being Armenian, but yet any mention of moving back and they get hysterical. Really think about this, you claim you are American, but yet come to a Armenian forum to post your opinions?

 

for the love of God, mary, hesus, booda, tell me, What is AN AMERICAN?

Does American mean that you support the administration? Well if this was the case, then u just excluded all non-rebuplicans. Demoncrats and everyone else. So that's clearly not the defn.

don't use a circular defn.

 

Yes, it has had a wonderful past and now the economic growth of the United States is leveling. Rome lasted for only 500 years, while the Byzantine Empire lasted for 1,000 years, thus, before the U.S. can claim their "ideals" are superior over others, they still have at least 300 years to go. We need to leave our attitude of supremacy at the door.

 

Just as you offered to express your opinoins without being asked, I expressed mine. You say you respect my opinions, yet when i say them, you got a request for me to leave it at the door. say one thing, do another.

 

You assume too much, Russia, France, and much of Europe have committed equal if not worse crimes because of colonization, however, the underlying difference is that Europe does not force its foreign policy on other nations in the name of democracy. The righteous attitude of the U.S. is disgusting and this same "righteous" attitude is what I dislike, not in my name.

 

that was my point. it's an inherent problem with human nature and the circumstances it finds itself.

finite resource + unlimited/infinite need = conflict

 

Like I stated earlier, on the whole American supplies did help the Soviet army, but it was because of Russian manpower that tipped scales in the Allies favor. They knew this and that is why they made various pacts in Stalin's favor. Today every history book you open it states that the U.S. won the war and because of this everyone should worship America.

 

I worship Jesus. I get mad b/c ppl like you pass judgement on me even comparing remotely to a turk.

That makes me very mad, and I don't care how you feel about it, honestly.

 

My point was already proven by your utter devotion to the United States. The country was found on the same principles that destroyed Armenians, but not suprisingly every Armenian is oblivious to this.

 

so which country was founded without being fought for? Did the omnimous hand of GOD come down and award a people with land till the end of time.

 

I am pointing out the problems of Armenians and why for 2,000 we have not amounted to anything significant, while other nations, who we influenced, have risen above us. We claim we are Armenians, we claim we are so "smart", but yet no one on these boards is willing to move back to Armenia.

 

Do you live in Armenia? if no,

can u be honest with me for a second. under the current circumstances, would you go back tomorrow and stay there till the end of your life. If yes, then why do u live elsewhere?

don't use this question against me, I am asking u a serious question.

 

When I referred to the Ottoman Empire, I was referring to is the shear ignorance by most Armenians towards history. Do you agree that the only objective of the Ottoman Empire was to wipe Armenian presence off the map? Yes, this was there objective, so, if this was the objective, wouldn't it be safe to assume that we are already on our way to completing their objection by staying in countries that force assimilation on us? Yes, so, please explain to me why I should care about April 24 if no Armenian in their right mind will ever go back to Armenia?

 

If you are a full fledged American then the massacre of a few Armenians should not really be important in the grand scheme of things. In addition, the mention of moving back or doing anything for Armenia to the previous generation is quickly followed by ridicule. Sorry, but I just don't get the Diaspora philosophy. Twenty years ago I did understand it. There was no Armenian nation and thus, there was a purpose behind maintaining your roots, but today we don't have that excuse. They want the future generation, people like you, to stay Armenian, but don't want them to move back to Armenia. It is obvious that your never going to move back, so, why put this responsibility on the next generation? What is the purpose of the Diaspora?

 

Most of american ppl don't know what happened. They are not aware of the facts. Let's unite and be represented to get attention.

 

You seem to be putting degrees to armenians, or like the diaspora is only 67.89% armenian while u r are a full whopping 100% armenian. engier, an armenian is an armenian.

If someone wants to go back, then go back,

if someone wants to stay, then stay.

And who says that every armenian living in America doesn't want to go back to Armenia?

Your spinning this issue to something it's not.

 

Your turning this into an extreme case just to turn this argument into something it's not. Do u live in America? Don't u feel you are part of the problem then by paying taxes to a country who you feel so strongly against? Why do you exempt yourself? By your defn, you fall into the same category as the ppl u accuse. Come on man, apply your defn across the board.

 

I am not calling you a "Turk", but Armenians in the Ottoman Empire were supporting the Young Turk regime. Apparently, the massacre of 400,000 by the earlier Ottoman leaders was not a clear enough signal that they need to rebel and revolt.

 

I don't c the connection with America. But I believe you mentioned earlier that b/c they are not living in Armenia, then...

so with this logic, then every country and it's armenian population that is overboard (not in Armenia) is guilty of ur accusation, why b/c the armenian ppl are not living in armenia and hence disperesed. Well, what about the countries that have recognized AG? to hell with them?

Second, unite and get represented to get attn. We have certainly come a long way in this country towards this goal.

 

 

My point, this country is a ally of Turkey. The tax dollars you pay goes towards arming Turkey. In addition, the very same money they give to Turkey is used to fund propaganda against Armenians domestically, here in the states, and abroad.

 

ok. so there is one way to go about it. it's to educate the american public about the AG.

Most of these ppl don't know what happened. They are not aware of the facts. Let's unite and be represented to get attention.

 

 

Conclusion, don't blindly devote yourself to any cause. Every entity has a purpose, I can piece together the purpose of Americans, the need to consume world products, but when it comes to the Armenian Diaspora, there seems to be no purpose. In nature cockroaches are also the best survivors, so, does that mean survival is necessary the right choice?

 

Let's get this out of the way. Consider the fact that everybody has a mind of their own and they can make as informed decisions as you. You are not writing to a dumb robot, and i know it may seem like that from time to time.

Would you like to take this opportunity and tell the Armenian Diaspora what their purpose should be?

How do u know they have no purpose?

survival is a choice, u choose.

Edited May 5, 2005 by armjan

[Stormig]

My word, what has happened here?

 

Nakharar, that person is entitled to his opinion, and I to mine, to the extent that my exposure allows me.

 

So how long has José Padilla been detained incommunicado?

[Nakharar]

I was expecting a slight response if any, but I should have seen this coming.

 

I guess this is a very touchy subject. It ties in with the existential question that almost all of us have to deal with on a daily basis and subconsciously. There are those who are attached to their adopted country more than the "old" country, for most of whom it has only a symbolic meaning. Which is not surprising given the generosity of our "host" countries and all that it offers and people who feel this way shouldn't be condemned. We all have different backgrounds and were shaped by the different environments we grew up in. In the end we are the end result of our experiences for better or for worse. It's quite painful to come to terms with that we don't have only one defining identity, but several overlapping transnational identities. Even though you might belong to a place physically, you feel out of place most of the time. This feeling that you don't belong to one specific place and the subconscious worry about continuity (as a nation and individually) can be quite straining. We should stop pointing fingers, because no one is to blame. Fate has dispersed us to all corners of the world, a fate over which we had no control and did not deserve.

Edited May 5, 2005 by Nakharar

[TMNT]

I was expecting a slight response if any, but I should have seen this coming.

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Like I said, my intention is not to argue, but to put things in perspective. I don't like to sugarcoat problems. You know where I stand with the U.S.; it’s a police state trying to procure foreign resources in order to satisfy its hunger for consumer goods.

 

Regarding Armenians, the decline of the Armenian people is due to their belief that they can create small Armenia ghettos in foreign countries. They would rather live like gypsies, jumping from country to country, leaving behind their churches for the natives to plunder then actually live in their own country, building churches for their next generation to use.

 

We should stop pointing fingers, because no one is to blame. Fate has dispersed us to all corners of the world, a fate over which we had no control and did not deserve.

 

Nakharar, that is exactly my point, in the past, fate has dispersed us to all corners of the world, but, today, "fate" is not stopping anyone from going back. I am not a staunch Armenian nationalist, I don't even attend functions by most Armenian organizations, but even I am not blind to the obvious solution of Armenia's problems and eventually end to the Diaspora. I just feel that our purpose should not be Genocide recognition, it should be migrating back, as Armenians, willing to live in Armenia. Genocide recognition is important, but its in the past, conversly, Armenia is our future.

 

It's a really complex issue that ties together the U.S., the Diaspora, and Armenia. To be honest, there really is no right answer, we just have to live by example. I would go further into detail, but it will just drag it out.

Edited May 5, 2005 by TMNT

[Nakharar]

You took the words out of my mouth. I feel like you do. It seems that we have a low tolerance threshold and seek the easy way out. And I don't necessarily mean the poor folks in Armenia. While we are running away for a better life and material wellbeing, we forget that we are actually running away from ourselves. With our tribal mindset we aren't looking at what is facing us in the long term. I'm hardly an ardent nationalist myself but I hate those hypocrites who admonish and belittle Armenia without contributing a thing. They probably only consider moving to Armenia when its level of income reaches $25,000 so that they will get it all for free without the slightest effort and sacrifice. The interests of Armenia and the Diaspora are different even though they may overlap because of the Genocide. The latter's reason of self rests mainly on the Genocide, while there are many more tangible problems facing Armenia. Edited May 5, 2005 by Nakharar

[Anonymouse]

Like I said, my intention is not to argue, but to put things in perspective.  I don't like to sugarcoat problems.  You know where I stand with the U.S.; it’s a police state trying to procure foreign resources in order to satisfy its hunger for consumer goods.   

 

Regarding Armenians, the decline of the Armenian people is due to their belief that they can create small Armenia ghettos in foreign countries.  They would rather live like gypsies, jumping from country to country, leaving behind their churches for the natives to plunder then actually live in their own country, building churches for their next generation to use.

Nakharar, that is exactly my point, in the past, fate has dispersed us to all corners of the world, but, today, "fate" is not stopping anyone from going back.  I am not a staunch Armenian nationalist, I don't even attend functions by most Armenian organizations, but even I am not blind to the obvious solution of Armenia's problems and eventually end to the Diaspora.  I just feel that our purpose should not be Genocide recognition, it should be migrating back, as Armenians, willing to live in Armenia. Genocide recognition is important, but its in the past, conversly, Armenia is our future.

 

It's a really complex issue that ties together the U.S., the Diaspora, and Armenia.  To be honest, there really is no right answer, we just have to live by example.  I would go further into detail, but it will just drag it out.

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Hopefully you learned one of life's major lessons which is, never take Dan (ArmJan) seriously.

[TMNT]

Hopefully you learned one of life's major lessons which is, never take Dan (ArmJan) seriously.

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He can stick to his own opinions, but history is on my side. Armenians just have a tendency to disagree for the sake of disagreeing, its our historic trait. It doesn't really phase me, half the time I am misdirecting tanks anyways.

Edited May 12, 2005 by TMNT

[Sip]

If being American is so great why do you come to Hyeforum?

 

Maybe one day you will understand that being American is great just for that fact alone! You can be American, proud of it, yet come to Hyeforum too.

 

 

See this the problem I have with your opinion, if American society is "so great", "so modern", and "so advanced", why do you still cling to your culturally roots?  Why put the prefix "Armenian" before the word "American"?  Instead, why don't you adopt the "American culture" as your own?

 

It is all because of the freedom of being able to do so. Who said I can't eat all you can eat chinese buffet for lunch, have sushi for dinner, and listen to Harut Pamboukjian while I'm driving between the two places in my high end SUV with a DVD player and navigation system? Heck I might later go visit a friend, play some "Nardi", down a couple of "Oghi"s, say a few "Kenatses" before checking my emails, chatting online, and calling it a night.

 

That's why

[Nakharar]

Maybe one day you will understand that being American is great just for that fact alone! You can be American, proud of it, yet come to Hyeforum too.

 

Maybe for the fact that we all enjoy its material benefits and opportunity this county offers. But then my loyalty and gratitude ends here.

[TMNT]

Maybe for the fact that we all enjoy its material benefits and opportunity this county offers. But then my loyalty and gratitude ends here.

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Exactly, everyone's loyalty only extends to the "material benefits" this country provides.

Edited May 12, 2005 by TMNT

[armjan]

geeez, this thread never goes away...

 

I try to surround myself with family, friends, healthy relationships with people and believe me, it's not as bad as u think. IMO, it's about sharing memories with the ppl you enjoy being with. What's the pt of life if you go thru it being miserable !

 

It seems miserable at times b/c some ppl don't have/want to have this neighborhood of friends.

don't be a victim of the circumstances you find yourself in, take control.

 

interesting how many of the last few posters live outside of armenia yet they overlook themselves in the arguments they make.

 

i c where this has gone, "the person standing over needs work, but I AM OK"

Edited May 13, 2005 by armjan

[Sip]

Exactly, everyone's loyalty only extends to the "material benefits" this country provides.

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That's bull and you know it. Unless for example you want to say the soldiers that go and die for this country do it because they get paid? Paaaa LEASE

[Artsakh]

The US is a materialistic country good only in terms of business and ripping others off. Thats what its all about. The gov't doesn't take care of the people, provide any healthcare or anything else. Canada is a great country!! yey canada!!!!! screw the US.

[shaunt]

Wow, more US criticism, how novel!!!

 

I WAS, BORN IN THE USA, I WAS, BORN IN THE USA!

 

Natural born citizen, and damn proud, .

[gamavor]

Exactly, everyone's loyalty only extends to the "material benefits" this country provides.

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That's the essence of America!

 

That's bull and you know it. Unless for example you want to say the soldiers that go and die for this country do it because they get paid? Paaaa LEASE

 

Very much so!

Except few phychos who would do it for pleasure. In normal countries soldiers do not go anywhere to defend their countries. They stay at "home" and defend it with all possible means.

[Sip]

The US is a materialistic country good only in terms of business and ripping others off.  Thats what its all about. 

 

Emmmm ... yah ... if you can count, try to see how many out of the top 20 universities in the world are in the US.

[gamavor]

Emmmm ... yah ... if you can count, try to see how many out of the top 20 universities in the world are in the US.

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Most of all I love the "score" system!

[Anileve]

Emmmm ... yah ... if you can count, try to see how many out of the top 20 universities in the world are in the US.

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I don't know if I necessarily agree with the status of those universities. If you notice most of the ones that are on the list are in western, industrialized countries which are currently major economic powers. The only one that stands out from the rest is Japan, but again it's an economic powerhouse as well. Netherlands, Germany, France, UK, Canada... I don't think it indicates that education in those nations is academically more superior to other parts of the world. For example, many developing nations have superb academic programs and in order for students to be admitted they have to take a very intense and demanding exam and do exceptionally well to be admitted. That's done in Greece, Armenia, India and South America, among others. Foreign students I meet often say how much easier it is to study in the US than in their own universities, and they are here mostly because they weren't accepted to the top schools in their homeland. I just think that a western college degree is much more revered worldwide but that doesn't serve as indicator of their exceptional education.

 

That is not to say that I don’t admire this country for many advantages and opportunities it has to offer. If I had to live in another region better than this I would chose to live in an indigenous environment, where there is no trace of any government, currency or taxes, just a natural habitat. For now I am very happy with my place of residence, but I am also critical of several factors. Then again you must be in order to maintain an objective and balanced perspective of the world. In addition I simply despise nationalism, in any shape or form, I admire every country for their culture and their differences. But I do have certain preferences, but that's just that...individual preference not a patriotic competition. And may I also point out, how utterly I despise people who live in ANY country use up its benefits and have not one positive thing to say about it. I don't know what's worse, people who live in a place JUST BECAUSE OF ECONOMIC ENRICHMENT but hate every other aspect of the country, or the people who live in their countries and complain about their poor economic conditions but don't really want to sacrifice their time working longer hours and less time hanging out at cafes. I think if you really love your country you will make an effort to improve your living conditions, despite difficulty. And to stay in the country that you despise only because of financial growth but smearing it with dirt because of the MATERIALISTIC FRAMEWORK is EXTREMELY HYPOCRITICAL (and downright irrational), not to mention very superficial. Once again if you love a country you will do whatever is possible to improve your living condition, stop finding excuses it’s pathetic. But then again maybe I am a little too idealistic.