Bush or Gore?

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Who to vote for? Any arguments?

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Oh gosh...did you have to bring this up...lol

 

I'm joking, of course. I think that as Armenians in this country (the U.S.) we have to make our voices heard. Voting is one way and probably the most practical and accessible. It pains me as a poli sci major and as an Armenian to hear Armenians being dismissive of american politics, of not voting, and even going to such lengths as not becoming naturalized!!

 

It's a little amusing for me to analyze my own political and civic behavior. As you may already know, the decline of political parties in this country has led to the emergence of a large number of swing voters who vote on the issues and sometimes the personalities, but not the party line. Although a registered Republican, I find myself in this group, especially during this election. I'm your classic case of the ambitious 20something year old who's completely disillusioned with the political process. I even considered boycotting the elections in November because of the apparent lack of choice (and I always vote!!). Bush or Gore: how would it matter, right? And then I thought I'd vote for Buchanan ( at least the man stands for something...for all the wrong things, it seems, far too extreme, but you see my point)

 

Pro Bush: he's a republican, enough said..lol

Pro Gore: decent man, emphasis on education,etc...issues impacting the average joe

Con Bush: have you ever looked into the man's eyes?? he'd be a worse liar and cheat than Clinton, and that's saying a lot. In short, don't like his personality. AT ALL. Plus he's an advocate for the rich, and currently, I got no dough...lol..plus he just looks stupid...they coached him on foreign policy thinking he can handle domestic and he fumbles even there!!..ugh!

Con Gore: a little too liberal for my taste, represents the establishment, and i'm having real problems believing his "i'm my own man now" spin.

 

Not the most intellectual argument, granted. But CAN there be an intellectual argument for either candidate in this day and age? The lines between politics, showbusiness and business are getting more and more blurry. And I'm sick of it all. Too much politics in my life.

 

Gore is standing tall behind his issue driven campaign; just might work with your average swing voter. And Bush better get his act together.

 

That's all for now, folks

Gayane

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Anyway. Untill know I prefer Republican candidates

 

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DP is younger sister of CP

 

 

[This message has been edited by Ararat (edited November 10, 2000).]

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Well said, Ararat. They are so much overwhelmed with their socialistic misconceptions...

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Bush or Gore? I don't care!

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I also think of myself as a swing voter. But I swing between the Republicans and the non-voters Normally, I would have leaned towards Libertarians, if they were serious...

 

Some time ago, I thought too that Buchanan may be a formidable candidate. But I don’t think so any more. I think he has demonstrated that he is more of an ideologist, rather than a politician. He doesn’t know where to stop. Seems like he is not perceptive of other views and wouldn’t be able to work with others. And on the issue of free trade and immigration, he is darn wrong, I think. Otherwise, I like his straight talk, and some of his principles.

 

Interesting, I don’t get an impression that Bush would be a worst liar or cheat. To the contrary, I feel he can’t lie, he is not skillful enough. He would be caught immediately. Why do you think he is an advocate for rich? I don’t think rich need advocates in politics. As once Forbes said, no matter what the taxes would be, “he was born blessed” and no policy would make difference to him. I would rather trust a rich President, than one who counts on the Presidency to make his way up. Sure, Bush has been coached in domestic and foreign policies. Who hasn’t been? And he may not be as sharp as Clinton, but they said the same about Reagan. I don’t think he stands for those who are rich, but those who want or have the chance to make it.

 

A priori, I am sure that Gore is after my paycheck. He flip-flaps too much, and is a political opportunist. Has no core values, but is a better campaigner, and has the liberal media behind him.

 

I think Bush indeed may get more accomplished, while Gore will lead towards more deadlock, and even worse partisan politics.

 

I do believe in electing based on personalities. I think politicians do what they have to do. The politicians on Executive level make decisions based on the policies presented to them by their respective departments. As far as the big issues are concerned, it would make no difference even if Nadar wins the elections. On small issues, which make us feel good, they make decisions based on their personalities.

 

 

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Berj,

 

That's the problem.

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lol..mj...berj (armen) is in armenia!!! of course he doesn't care..lol

 

vay armen, armen...gone asa vortexes, ay txa..lol

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Armenians for Nader

310 East Providencia #212

Burbank, CA 91502

Tel: 818/563-3918

Email: armeniansfornader@juno.com

Contact: Garen Yegparian

 

August 31, 2000

 

"Armenians For Nader" Formed

 

* Grassroots Group Seeks to Educate Community

About Alternatives to "Republocrats"

 

Burbank, CA - Armenians for Nader (AFN) has formed after discussions

among a diverse group of Armenians interested in best serving the

interests of the community in the US and also Armenia.

 

The creation of the grassroots network was fueled by view held by its

founders that there is widespread dissatisfaction among Armenians over

the indifferent - often hostile - positions of both major party

candidates and their running mates on Armenian issues. Word of the

group's founding has drawn interest from Armenians across the nation who

believe that, behind the campaign rhetoric, there lies the fundamental

reality that the major candidates first and foremost represent the

corporate oil, arms, and trade interests that are inimical to Armenia and

Armenians.

 

Ralph Nader, Green Party candidate for President of the United States

stands strongest on these core issues. Referring to the corporate

takeover of Washington, D.C., he remarked during his nomination speech in

Colorado that, "The autocratic system of government puts trade over

everything else."

 

"I think Ralph Nader has already powerfully defined the issues in this

campaign and has had influence on the positions of both major party

candidates," observed Professor Ben H. Bagdikian of UC Berkeley, author

of The Media Monopoly, and a founding member of Armenians for Nader

(AFN).

 

In announcing the creation of the group, AFN organizer Garen Yegparian

asked Armenians to consider what the following four things had in common:

"1) Oil lobbyists supporting Azerbaijan against Armenia, 2) Arms

manufacturers, currying favor with Turkey, pushing to kill Armenian

Genocide resolutions in Congress, 3) Microsoft trying to question the

Genocide in its Encarta on-line encyclopedia, and 4) Armenian and other

American citizens feeling politically powerless." "The common

denominator" he responded, "is corporate greed," adding that, "between

now and the November election we hope to explain to our community how the

heartless trade policies of the ruling Republican/Democrat (Republocrat)

duopoly not only make their daily lives more difficult, but also

seriously damage core Armenian concerns."

 

AFN plans to provide information to the community through the Armenian

media and the net, organize local functions in Armenian communities, and

integrate the efforts of progressive Armenians from coast to coast,

especially campus activists. Additional information about AFN can be

obtained by emailing to armeniansfornader@juno.com or by calling Garen

Yegparian at 818/563-3918. For more information on the Nader campaign,

visit: www.votenader.org.

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Dear Ararat,

 

I didn't quite follow you. If you were asking how am I related to Nadar -then in no way. I just found the story very entertaining. I am not in any way related to any political, social, etc. organization. I like my high degree of independence. I think the USA provides me with the highest degree of independence I could realistically achieve in any country.

 

I don't think that we as Armenian can ever tilt the US political orientation one or another way. We just can achieve an understanding that we as US citizens/residents are also taxpayers, and like many other taxpayers and contributors to the growth of the US economy, political process, etc, have the moral right to have some expectations from the US towards that other country we love.

 

Also, as one of the members of this forum has mentioned somewhere (forgot who that was), whichever country we move to, we serve them honestly, and don't exploit their system.

 

But maybe I totally misunderstood your comment, and this reply of mine is irrelevant.

 

P.S. Nadar is so far in the left, that I can't take him serious to any degree. But I am not surprised that there are Armenians supporting him.

 

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A+

And this is what I whished to see in your reply...

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P.S. Some times I forgot to change happy/sad faces in the Title Icon of my messages, and afraid they may cause some missunderstood. So please ignore them.

Thnx

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Berj is right, who cares!

 

there is an expression in Persian: Säge zärd bäradäre shaghal ëst

= yellow dog is the brother of Jackal.

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Originally posted by Gayane:

 

 

Gayane, I agree that in few precincts Armenians are adequately empowered to make a difference in their respective local elections (for instance, Rogan-Shiff), which is not bad at all. But by making my remarks I meant on the national scale. I think Latinos are or are becoming force on the national scale, though.

 

To the contrary of one of your statements, I think Armenians are recognized to be almost the most organized or better to say, on a proportional level the most effective national unit around the Capitol Hill. I agree with you that there is a good potential to become a noticeable force through assimilation, however contradictory this statement may sound on the onset. I think, though, Armenia and Armenians will benefit more if choosing for the favor of the private sector – corporate America.

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MJ, I have to disagree with a thought of yours that just jumped out at me while reading through your message. You say that we as armenians can never tilt the political orientation in this country. Well, perhaps not on a national level, but on the local level, certainly. I will direct you to the example of the Latinos in this matter. They are now a political force to be dealt with in more than one state. While it's true that Armenians are not quite as numerous nor as well organized, I think there is the potential, as the younger generations grow, acquire an education and become more assimilated, to mobilize our resources and (by becoming more politically active) become a substantial and substantive force in local politics.

 

Gayane

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In light of the recent polls, I thought I should comment...

 

Pundits seem to think Bush will take the White House, as early projections point to his control of the electoral votes needed to win.

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But, as of today, he seems to be trailing in the electoral vote category...

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