Kazza Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 Oh wow! I was only joking, but it really is? I shouldn't be surprised really. And: they named a dish after a city! Wow, I don't mean to be all political here but I am sure glad that we are independant form communism, despite the struggles we are having now, but it will all come out to be worth it in the end! Away from stupid control from stupid USSR! Now we dont have to name the dishes after towns named after political figures!! Darling, pass the Tony Blair bread, will you? Ok, put i Have to bring the Peter Mandelson soup from the kitchen to dip it in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 KAza JAn The name is Motal PAnir - Not leninakan - it's made in Leninakan .Leninakan is the city Gyumri - Kumayri- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilafhead Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Kazza:Go on then, noise, go eat somethingIt was late when I typed that post, so I ended up just having a bowl of Corn Flakes. How boring... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazza Posted March 29, 2001 Report Share Posted March 29, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Aghmug:It was late when I typed that post, so I ended up just having a bowl of Corn Flakes. How boring...Oh, shame. You could have had something more interesting!Aim for you for everytime you feel like a midnight snack, to have at least one thing from Mosjan's list! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted March 30, 2001 Report Share Posted March 30, 2001 we need to get togeter on day mike i will get you some Armenian Food !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazza Posted March 30, 2001 Report Share Posted March 30, 2001 Actually, I really dont see why you Southern Californians don't ever get together, it's a good idea. Looking at both your locations in your profiles, it's perfectly feasible!Whatever happenned to that BBQ you were talking about a few months ago, Pilafhead? If I remeber correct there was eve talk of me turning up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilafhead Posted March 31, 2001 Report Share Posted March 31, 2001 quote:Originally posted by MosJan:we need to get togeter on day mike i will get you some Armenian Food !!!Yes, especially since you're in Pasadena (where I work)! Ever eat at Foodland deli on Washington? It USED to be great, but for some reason it went downhill in the last five or so years. Pita Pita is also very good, but that's Lebanese not Armenian.OK, everyone go to Carousel in Glendale right now, dinner's on me!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilafhead Posted March 31, 2001 Report Share Posted March 31, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Kazza:Actually, I really dont see why you Southern Californians don't ever get together, it's a good idea. You mean see each other, as the Brits say, "warts & all"??? Come to town Kazza, it'll be a good excuse for all of us to actually meet each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nané Posted March 31, 2001 Report Share Posted March 31, 2001 You guys are sooo mean !!!!! All this talk about food while I am still in "paq/pas" ... You guys are worse than my co-workers who offer me pastries and cheese "byoreqs" then appologize - "Vaaaaay, du ches kara utes che?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazza Posted March 31, 2001 Report Share Posted March 31, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Aghmug:You mean see each other, as the Brits say, "warts & all"??? Come to town Kazza, it'll be a good excuse for all of us to actually meet each other.I Don't C Y not. It'll be fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazza Posted March 31, 2001 Report Share Posted March 31, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Sulamita: All this talk about food while I am still in "paq/pas" ... Sulamita jan, what's that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiner Posted April 1, 2001 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2001 I wander what the exact difference between khorovads and traditional barbeque is. I wander if khorovads is strictly Armenian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armeniangirl83 Posted April 4, 2001 Report Share Posted April 4, 2001 mine mother,grandmothers and aunties makes the nice and best armenianfood.everyone like it, and especcially the europeans. !!!it very nice!!hm!!!But now i'm very hungry! And i'm on school and no food, i'm forget to bring it to school! Dolma's from mine grandmother are especcially and hmmm!!! I eat them with yoghurt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobsarquis Posted April 12, 2004 Report Share Posted April 12, 2004 My family uses the word Sarma for spices & rice rolled in grape leaves and served cold. Most places seem to call it Dolma, and just lump it in with all the other types of Dolma. Anyone else use Sarma in their family? My mother also made Keshkeg; that's one I never hear mentioned; although a recipe for it is on some web Armenian food sites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsuvan Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 (edited) may be you' ve written but i couldn' t match it. but there is an armenian food called "topik" in turkey. i can' t remember the ingredients except chick-pea. lahmacun is probably lebanon or arab food. it' s name is arabic. "sarma" means rolling in turkish. the name "yaprak sarma" is as spread as "dolma" in turkey. dolma is generally used for the meaty one served hot and with yoghurt. sarma is served cold with lemon. keshkeg is a very special meal in marsuvan an tokat region. i guess your ancestors are from there. it' s cooked in weddings and bayrams. i sometimes bow to my mother to cook keshkeg. can you find the suitable wheat for keshkeg there? there is joke about basturma in turkey. we say "basturma" is the only useful thing invented by the turks since the civilization of the human being. Edited April 14, 2004 by marsuvan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 (edited) Is there such a thing as Armenian food? I mean, is there a food/drink item that is particularly Armenian, without it also existing in other cultures? I can't think of anything. Does basturma qualify? [ March 26, 2001: Message edited by: BTac ] style_images/master/snapback.png Yes there is. It is called ծիրտ/tsirt as in bird droppings, as in "turkey droppings". Dammit! Who said that "dolma", "sarma" and "lahmejun" were Armenian!!?? No dictionary worth its ink will define those words as "armenian". Why do Armenian institutions, i.e. churches, advertise "Armenian" smorgasbord with such obviously Turkish dishes as "shish kebab", "dolma", "sarma", "baklawa(Arabic)", "tabouleh"(Arabic), "lemjum" (Arabic, or whatever the hell). Sorry MJ, "dolma" is not Greek it is glaringly from the Turkish to mean "to fill/to stuff", as if we don't have words to mean the same. Do we? When will the Armenians learn to cook for themselves and stop using such alien words as "dolma" "sarma" and "kaklama"!! Why don't our own "Julia Childs" have the least decency to not advertise Turkish names of our own cuisine?!! A cuisine that those savages had never seen until they set foot in our "kitchens". Name me one Armenian dish with an Armenian name!! When Turks rename "kebab" as "khorovats" then maybe I will once again start eating "Armenian food". Do we have a national cuisine or are we forever condemned to eat "TURKEY/arab,greek,persian droppings"? Me? I will keep on eating pasta, pizza and hamburgers. At least I know they are respectively and exclusively purely Italianand non-Turkish. The hell with dolma and sarma!!! That is until we rediscover their original Armenian names. Yes. They were Armenian dishes until we forgot our own language and succumbed to that gobble-di-gooky turkey droppings. Edited October 4, 2005 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Arpa jan, you made my day, great points throughout. Of course XASH AND XOROVATS is our Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 BASTURMA is a very turkish thing, in fact it came to Anatolia on the backS of the turkish horsemen, the method was developed by them to preserve the meat for long journeys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anileve Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Jeez Arpa, who cares? Nothing in gastronomy is authentic and exclusive, each culture borrowed something from another. Arabs brought olive oil, rice and oranges into Spain, and now paella is considered to be a cultural dish. Spaghetti originated in China and was brought to Italy, now it's considered authentically Italian. I don't think that anything was stolen, trade and geographic location had a major influence on several cuisines, and I find that to be fantastic. It just shows that despite political differences people can always connect through food. Shows people's sense of superiority (insecurity) when they try to prove that they are solely responsible for some creation, there are so many other principles that are worth enduring, I just can't see this one being the sensible one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 ... Name me one Armenian dish with an Armenian name!! ... style_images/master/snapback.png Xash, Harisa, Spas, Xashlama, lavash, and I am sure there are many others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvestaked Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 One thing people should keep in mind is that just because the words used for some dishes are from Turkish, it doesn't mean the dish is Turkish. I believe soujoukh and chikufteh are both Armenian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 (edited) One thing people should keep in mind is that just because the words used for some dishes are from Turkish, it doesn't mean the dish is Turkish. I believe soujoukh and chikufteh are both Armenian. style_images/master/snapback.png Is my English defficient? Why can't I get it across? We are not talking about whose ethnic food or whose creation it is. We are talking about their Turkish names. Why? Don't we have a language of our own? I wish you would have chosen another example to label Armenian, that is other than "chikufteh" which is(linguistically) as "turkish" as can be. You could have at least called it "hum-kufteh" instead of the Turkish word "chi-raw". Who repeated that myth about "pasta being Chinese"? It can't be further from reality as wheat is not cultivated or consumed in China. Remember their main dish- "flied lice" (fried rice)? Is Turkish coffee Turkish? Where in Turkey does coffee grow? Guess who inroduced that demitasse brew to Europe and called it "turkish"! Speaking of which, this was aired some time ago but may be useful now as well. It is not written by an Armenian but look and see who says "coffee" was brought to Vienna by whom. The savvy traveler So what else is Chinese? Even Sip knows that barbeque is Mongolian, not Chinese. :) Edit note - i fixed the broken link Edited November 18, 2005 by vava Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvestaked Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 At no point did I address you specifically. I'm sorry but I'm quite sure "kufte" is an Indo-European word. Ask the Indians. So it's not "as Turkish as can be." You know quite well why it's called Turkish coffee. You know it's the preparation and not the beans. Are they deserving of the credit? Probably not but that's different. The reason why Armenians used a lot of Turkish words to describe things is probably similar to why my maternal grandfather's completely Armenian father didn't speak a word of Armenian. It's called Ottoman oppression. You can be upset at the empire for it but don't get so passionate about blaming the Armenians for being in a situation that made it difficult to hang on to cultural elements. I can't be a 100% certain that pasta is a Chinese concoction but I can say that your reference to the origin of wheat being elsewhere does not even come close to proving that it is otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Even Sip knows that barbeque is Mongolian, not Chinese. :) style_images/master/snapback.png chi karogh patahel, xorovats da haykakan e, Arpa du lriv aghavaghumes mer xorovats@ there is nothing wrong with dolma/tolma, i dont care who invented it i just miss my mothers tolma very much, oh people its only a food , have you tried dolma with yougert? mmmmmmmmM pilav with potatoes in the bottom of a pan? or pilav with chamich?...man i'm out to make some wonderfull chamichov pilav before my wife gets home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 chi karogh patahel, xorovats da haykakan e, Arpa du lriv aghavaghumes mer xorovats@ style_images/master/snapback.png Bari akhorzhak! Edward, yes yerpeq mer khorovats@ chem aghavagher , ankaskats ayn lriv yev zut Haykakan hnarq e. We have already spoken about that even the word is based on the Armenian"khore/kharel" that means to singe to char. Yet, no one dare even suggest that Sip's favorite dish the Mongolian barbeque is Chinese. One never knows how he may react. He may make khorovats of our seats. He seems to be in bad enough mood with his computers playing hide and seek on him already. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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