Azat Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 I am really getting sick of this topic. Who the &*%$ are you to tell me or anyone else who to date? Why don't we all accept the fact that Armenians are not the master race and like all other nationalities we are going to assimilate sooner or later. What is wrong with concept of Armenian ladies or men dating and marring other nationalities. Maybe our population can increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Gogortiloz Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 (edited) Edited December 30, 2003 by Don_Gogortiloz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justme Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 this is how i would preserve my armenian ways...my black boyfriend will know how to speak armenian...(think about how many families living in the US speak english as opposed to armenian in the house, because it has become easier for the kids..) he would speak, read and know armenian inside out..our child will be raised to speak armenian in the house and also know english of course...choices still remain in school and friends, who will be armenian and other culture because face it..not all armenians only have armenian friend,that would be rediculous especially in the US> since it is a melting pot..so is the concern that marrying an odar puts you out of the armenian circle, erases your culture and tradition..i think you are capable of preserving your culture with any culture in the word...if two cultures or races combine, one race doesnt have to be erased or taken over by the other...sharing and mutual balance does exist...like when ppl get married. man and women bring their own lives together and combine it into one... one sex doesnt take over the other...i just find it hard to be forced to marry an armenian for "my people", what are my people doing for me now...i live through me not through the 7 million armenians somewhere out there.... are you going to be there why i hurt, when i cry, when i celebrate, when i die....no.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 I actually have absolutely no problem if EVERY armenian lady and men went out there and married an odar. The problem is not my way of thinking the problem is the Armenian church and the culture that they have made that will not accept others as Armenian. We do not even know how to embrace people who have been married to an Armenian for for 20, 30 or 40 years. We still think of that person as odar. Don, can you name an Armenian in the states who has been here for about 100 years who has strictly kept their "Armenianness"(Whatever that may be) and has not assimilated? If you can, I am sure it would be hard to do. The idea is how do we get all those who have assimilated to be part of and proud of being Armenian. Azat - Also known as the "The HyeForum Dumbass" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 (edited) Just like me - eh Azat? Now he is thinking - is it the dumb ass comment or the assimilated who embraces his Armeniansim comment that he is agreeing with...well probably both - eh? I understand your other points as well - but its funny - at the local Armenian Church (I'd say mine...but I pretty much don't go to church...except of course for socual funtions & such...you understand)...but at this church the attitude is totally different (it seems to me)...they have many non-Armenians who are church members and who are very involved inchurch sposored activities. they call them ABCs - Armenians By Choice. Many/most of these are totally non -Armenian - ie no Armenian spouse or such. Pretty cool - eh? Edited September 12, 2003 by THOTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 Why would ANYONE voluntarily choose to be active in an Armenian church????? Welcome back Stormy. Long time no see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 You are an outsider who does not know all of the facts...so butt out! give me a break. what facts? facts don't grow on the trees. they are put forth my parties involed. if i don't have the slitest desire to be with someone why would i even initiate anything that would lead to it.there is nothing mysterious in it. people choose to be with someone because they choose to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 Harut please try to read my post over again. i was refering to folks who are setting standards for other people - not for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Gogortiloz Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 (edited) Edited December 30, 2003 by Don_Gogortiloz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 Spiurkahyes are more open-minded than hayastantsis so why not date them instead of black guys? open-minded? it's not about being open-minded.there are very very very few Armenians that absolutely don't care about race/ethnicity (maybe thoth is one of them, i don't know). i would even go further and say that most of those who are with non-Armenians are more prejudice. if someone is with a black, for example, it's not because he/she is THE one out of all 6 billion people out there, but because he/she is THE one out of all 1 billion (or whatever the number is) blacks out there. and it is highly unlikely that the saem person would be with non-Armenian white, for example. (vise versa and other combinations) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 I have NEVER been to an organised armo party, I was practically thrown out of Armenian school after giving my teacher a nervous breakdown. That's because they are all afraid that you may bite their asses off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 I just wanted to point out that I only agree with justme ... Ok, having gotten that out of my system, I wanted to say that inbreeding is not a good thing. I mean just look at the french canadians. Spread the genes and I've said it before and will say it again ... let's strive for a human being that can play chess with Gasparov and guard Kobe Bryant on the basket ball court and cook good chinese food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightOfArmenia Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 Why don't we all accept the fact that Armenians are not the master race and like all other nationalities we are going to assimilate sooner or later. I love how you put forward your opinion as "the fact," and thus infer that anyone who disagrees with you is naturally wrong. You're so modest! Armenians in, say, Iran, have been living there for three hundred years; they still speak the language and have the culture. Armenians in the US for, say, ninety years, have lost almost all of the language and culture. Think about that. And who is the idiot that came up with inbreeding? ALL HUMANS ARE RELATED IN SOME FORM OR ANOTHER! Genetically, even THIRD cousins can still have normal children; hell, inbreeding occurs if brother and sister breed for SEVERAL CONSECUTIVE GENERATIONS. At least learn about what you say before you just blurt it out! Armenians have a seven generation rule; anything closer than seventh cousins are not allowed to marry. Do you know what that means? That means that if you share the same great-great-great-grandfather, then you are not allowed to marry. And you are actually talking about inbreeding... Friggin' brilliant... Just because "inbreeding" has a negative connotation, doesn't mean that you can just indiscriminately bring it up to make your argument sound better. You want to pound/be pounded by an otar? Go ahead. But how dare you try to manipulate or "guilt-trip" others into accepting you? The simple fact that you are trying to get others to say "OK, it's right" means that, somewhere inside your psyche, you believe that what you are doing is wrong, and thus are trying to get others to agree with your stance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 And who is the idiot that came up with inbreeding?That idiot, would be me. Ok mister knight. Just don't be surprised when my decendants kick the crap out of your decendants some day. As far as "pounding / being pounded by an otar" ... otar? ... I guess you forgot that "ALL HUMANS ARE RELATED IN SOME FORM OR ANOTHER!" Hmmmm, who's the idiot now? Read your OWN posts dude, you may learn something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 I love how you put forward your opinion as "the fact," and thus infer that anyone who disagrees with you is naturally wrong. You're so modest! Armenians in, say, Iran, have been living there for three hundred years; they still speak the language and have the culture. Armenians in the US for, say, ninety years, have lost almost all of the language and culture. Think about that. And who is the idiot that came up with inbreeding? ALL HUMANS ARE RELATED IN SOME FORM OR ANOTHER! Genetically, even THIRD cousins can still have normal children; hell, inbreeding occurs if brother and sister breed for SEVERAL CONSECUTIVE GENERATIONS. At least learn about what you say before you just blurt it out! Armenians have a seven generation rule; anything closer than seventh cousins are not allowed to marry. Do you know what that means? That means that if you share the same great-great-great-grandfather, then you are not allowed to marry. And you are actually talking about inbreeding... Friggin' brilliant... Just because "inbreeding" has a negative connotation, doesn't mean that you can just indiscriminately bring it up to make your argument sound better. You want to pound/be pounded by an otar? Go ahead. But how dare you try to manipulate or "guilt-trip" others into accepting you? The simple fact that you are trying to get others to say "OK, it's right" means that, somewhere inside your psyche, you believe that what you are doing is wrong, and thus are trying to get others to agree with your stance. Maybe in Iran but not here in the US. You too like Gogortiloz cannot name me 10, no make it 5 armenians who have been in the states for 100 years without assimilation. As to pounding or being pounded by an otar: it is non of your f*&^%in business what I do in my bedroom. So get lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 You too like Gogortiloz cannot name me 10, no make it 5 armenians who have been in the states for 100 years without assimilation. I have a name, I have a name, I have a name... his name is Mr. Hagarag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightOfArmenia Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 LOL Domino. As far as "pounding / being pounded by an otar" ... otar? ... I guess you forgot that "ALL HUMANS ARE RELATED IN SOME FORM OR ANOTHER!" Hmmmm, who's the idiot now? Read your OWN posts dude, you may learn something. Genius, I was dismissing the "inbreeding" line of thought; if you subscribe to the idea that, by only dating Armenians, you are inbreeding, then you should also subscribe to the idea that by dating HUMANS you are inbreeding. I don't think that staying within my ethno-national culture is inbreeding. Christ... As to pounding or being pounded by an otar: it is non of your f*&^%in business what I do in my bedroom. So get lost. You're right. In fact, that is why I said "go ahead" after that sentence. You can't even continue reading into the paragraph before frothing at the mouth? The way I see it is this: people who are so eager to forget the language, ignore the culture, and intermarry have a net negative effect on the Community as a whole; the sooner these people are assimilated out, the sooner we can all unite towards common goals, and the sooner those goals are accomplished. So please! Go out and marry the first black girl you see! Oh, and Domino: it might interest you to know that my new professor of Armenian History is Dr. Levon Marashlian; the same Levon Marashlian that was included in the first Armenian-turkish debate on the Genocide, where the Armenian professors stumped those half-educated idiots. He just showed us how the turkish documentary on the movie "Sari Gelim" (possible sp) was so full of misquotations and fabrications that it did more to prove our case than just about anything we could have said; they went so far as to completely misquote an article in the Armenian Weekly, attributing it to the LA Herald article where ataturk admitted that the Genocide happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 Genius, I was dismissing the ...Ok no time to suck up now. Either I am an idiot or a genius. Obviously I can't be both! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyebruin Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 ok now, since everybody has expressed every point from every possible angle, adding more on my part would just be redundant!!!....so, i'm just wondering one thing...whoever introduced the term 'pounding' (this is funny now!)...made me think of baking (yeah, i know big shock!!! me and the kitchen are not 'best friends' exactly )...so, next time just use 'banging' ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 Well, I take it that the "Medeival" person (with the very appropriate nickname) chose the term "pounding" deliberately to imply that interracial sex is purely sexual and I am guessing in his mind sinful, wrong, etc etc. This would imply that a person like him is extremely unlikely to admit that "true love", "care", "trust", or a meaningful relationship can in fact exist between people that happen to be from North Dakota and South Dakota for example, since there is a solid line separating those two regions on a map somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 Ok, so how about an idiotic genius? As for Armenians, the sooner they go extinct the sooner the world will be better off and the happier I will be. End of discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 You're right. In fact, that is why I said "go ahead" after that sentence. You can't even continue reading into the paragraph before frothing at the mouth?NightmareOfArmenia, I do start to "frothing at the mouth" every time I encounter a person like you. The way I see it is this: people who are so eager to forget the language, ignore the culture, and intermarry have a net negative effect on the Community as a whole; the sooner these people are assimilated out, the sooner we can all unite towards common goals, and the sooner those goals are accomplished. So please! Go out and marry the first black girl you see! Thanks. Now that I have your approval I will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyebruin Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 well, apparently my humor here didn't help much!! ~~~is 'bruin losing her funny bones??? ......don't understand why you guys are all fueled up!! no one can tell anyone else who to bang, pound, *&$%, marry or make love to...end of story!!! (nevertheless everyone has the right to have their own opinion, and if they can't express it respectfully or gracefully, it's better kept to him or herself) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 ..."true love", "care", "trust", or a meaningful relationship can in fact exist... what do you know about all these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightOfArmenia Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 I guess that some people just can't understand sarcasm. Ahh... language has such beautiful tools that just aren't appreciated! As for Armenians, the sooner they go extinct the sooner the world will be better off and the happier I will be. End of discussion. Luckily, you'll be dead and forgotten with descendants who wouldn't be able to pronounce your screenname if they even remembered it long before Armenians vanish off this earth. Good to know! This would imply that a person like him is extremely unlikely to admit that "true love", "care", "trust", or a meaningful relationship can in fact exist between people that happen to be from North Dakota and South Dakota for example, since there is a solid line separating those two regions on a map somewhere. I could bring in so many factors, from history, culture, and language, to socio-economic backgrounds and ethno-religious diversity, to separate "North Dakota and South Dakota" from Armenia and her neighbors; unfortunately, the fact that you said something like that convinces me that, even if you did understand the vocabulary that I used, you wouldn't be able to grasp it's significance. People that are divided from a sense of history and culture get a very selfish view of life, in that it is only their lives that matter; partly why divorce rate is so high in the United States. The desire to satisfy the self comes before the desire to satisfy others, be they family, friends, or society; mothers and fathers need their "me time" from the children, and from eachother, because they are all too preoccupied with themselves to realize that there just might be something more. The same people who argue "why can't love be color-blind" also, inevitably, argue things such as "why can't I have a life after marriage," "why can't I still be an individual after having children," "why can't I fall in love for the [2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc.] time? Love doesn't keep track," and a host of similar questions. Consequences are situations such as when twelve year olds have sex and are only warned to "wear protection," or widows with grandchildren (and great-grandchildren, sometimes) start dating again, and talking with their children about having sex, and being shocked when the children don't want to hear. Some things are more important than the individual; ideas that transcend the "me, myself, and I" and become the "we." Name me a single person remembered in history for doing only what he/she wanted to do, and never making any sort of sacrifice or gamble for what was felt as the greater good, even if they would profit from that greater good. And alternately, let's see if this is actually responded with examples from history, or logical statements, instead of simply with turkish-style twists of my screenname and statements such as "YOU IDIOT I CAN DO WHAT I WANT LOLOL!!!!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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