Harut Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 check out the avatar!! i'm not a "dude" so how can i be sure that you're not a krishna dude who's covering under a beautiful lady to win my heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyebruin Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 so how can i be sure that you're not a krishna dude who's covering under a beautiful lady to win my heart. ah! i'll have to name you "smarty"or "flirty" ...you can ask "grumpy" and "happy"...nah! just kidding! i hear there are 'big pigeons' around who claim to have 'intelligence'??!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 ah! i'll have to name you "smarty"or "flirty" ...you can ask "grumpy" and "happy"...nah! just kidding! i hear there are 'big pigeons' around who claim to have 'intelligence'??!! Hmm "Grumpy" & "Happy" - just whom could you be referring to? ...I think I've been just about all of the above (all 7 I mean) at one time or another...but at this point in my life - I'm probably just "Doc" ...need to grow my beard out a bit though ...funny - back when I was about 22-23 - but working in a professional position that often put me in a position where I was interrogating (literally) folks who were my dads age or older - my manner & approach (and the fact that I had a beard [that made me look older perhaps?] and used a cane! - but not out of any need - only for effect - LOL...) caused these oldsters to call me either Doc or Proffesor - LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAH Posted October 7, 2003 Report Share Posted October 7, 2003 You know I see this, not only with Armenians, but with all "white" women. So why does that happen? Why don't Armenian women want to be with an Armenian in general? 1) Most women, when they get turned off by something, are quick to generalize (not rationalize). If they had an abusive or dictatorial father OR they had a bad relationship, they get turned off and they say, "all *** men are this, ALL **** men are that". Surely, we've all seen how a lot of Armenian men treat their women like crap, and I don't blame our women from getting turned off from Armenian men. This is especially true of the men from the homeland. 2) TV and Pop Culture have brainwashed our new generation. There's a lot of black entertainers in sports, music, film. Girls get attracted to them, see that it is less taboo to go out with blacks, and they themselves go out with them. 3) Girls get naughty, rebel against their parents wishes, and go after the most forbidden fruit. 4) Finally, Armenians don't do enough to promote patriatism and the benefits of marrying another Armenian. The new generation sees no benefit to marrying an Armenian. Even if they did consider themselves "hayaser" they don't see the linkage between being Armenian and perpetuating the feeling to their children. Let's face it. Armenian women will go out with odars in general, and unfortunately for our armenian communities, this will happen. Yes it's their choice to decide if they want to marry Armenian, black, white, chinese, but the choice is damaging to the diaspora. In two or three generations, this whole point will be moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hye_Acher Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 Hello everyone! 2) TV and Pop Culture have brainwashed our new generation. There's a lot of black entertainers in sports, music, film. Girls get attracted to them, see that it is less taboo to go out with blacks, and they themselves go out with them. When I watch TV and I see black person I simply change the channel or turn off the TV. I as a female don’t see anything attractive in a black guy; I don’t understand what other white females are thinking. (Explain if you can)3) Girls get naughty, rebel against their parents wishes, and go after the most forbidden fruit. Doesn’t it almost always backfire when we try to do that? Why even try to do it when we know it is going to work against us? 4) Finally, Armenians don't do enough to promote patriatism and the benefits of marrying another Armenian. The new generation sees no benefit to marrying an Armenian. Even if they did consider themselves "hayaser" they don't see the linkage between being Armenian and perpetuating the feeling to their children. I DO see a lot of BENEFITS by marrying someone from my own race and I bet everyone does! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sev-mard Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 Everyone is entitled to like what they like....you don't have to change the channel when you see one of us though....we're not going to jump off the screen at you. =D Besides, I love Armenian Teletime, I watch it whenever I get a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 When I watch TV and I see black person I simply change the channel or turn off the TV. I as a female don’t see anything attractive in a black guy; I don’t understand what other white females are thinking. (Explain if you can) What? What? Then how do you know who won the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
790 Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 I love Armenian Teletime, I watch it whenever I get a chance For many non-Armenians, that abomination of a tv program, is the first & only access to the Armenian culture, since it's the only Armenian program on public & cable tv (except maybe for the Glendale area).therefore, it should not only be banned, but those ppl should be jailed for disgracing the Armenian culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sev-mard Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 (edited) I obviously was poking fun. Armenian Teletime is considered by many Armenians to be bad, just like many shows by Indians are considered bad by Indians, just like how i personally have many issues with black ppls self representation on TV as well. We all do a good job of making a fool of ourselves(unfortunately). I'm a scholar and am sensitive to ppl's culture and history, believe me Armenian Teletime is not my window of choice into your world. I was being facietious. Peace Edited October 9, 2003 by sev-mard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justme Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 To GAH...your explainations seem reasonable, but it doesnt mean its always true. All the things u said about, abusive father, brainwashed by tv, rebelling, and benefits dont apply to everyone . I'm not saying u wrote them directed to me, but what im saying is that there are other reasons why i am with my boyfriend for example. I have found him first and if im satisfied with what he has to offer then why look elsewhere.. ppl search to find a mate with various characteristics to meet their expectation in order to be able to live and grow with that person...If i feel that i have found that person, i dont feel the need to loose that and look elsewhere.just to keep "us" going as armenians.I see my boyfriend as a man...not a black man.. To Hye Acher....u have the freedom to change the channel and not watch the shows..but i know a lot of ppl do the same towards armenians...as soon as an armenians appear on tv, they change it...everyone has the right to like and dislike what they want, no problem in that..there are a lot of benefits to marrying within your race....but personally i need mor than benefits if im going to live and love someone for the rest of my life.... why dont we have a forum for armenian guys dating white girls..is there?...but attack on who girls date is appropriate....interesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sev-mard Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 (edited) Like I'll say I don't see Armenian chicks with black guys a lot...almost never. Is this like taking place in the heart of Glendale(where I don't spend much time) or what? Cuz I don't see it that much. So is this really an issue, or just hate on black guys like myself for some other reason. I mean I see Armenian girls with jermadz guys, and armenians guys with odar girls, but that doesn't seem to be as heated a discussion. It happens everywhere though, black guys are always seen as a threat and singled out for the hate. When in this case especially I dont think it's that serious an issue. I can count on my one hand how many black guys I've seen with Armenian girls......one. I'm just asking why this is such a sore spot when in actuality I don't think it occurs that often. Edited October 9, 2003 by sev-mard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiner Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 (edited) sev_mard,I just wanted to know what your opinion is on black guys wanting to hook up with nonblack girls, when black women hardly look at guys who are not black. And also, I realize I'm being stereotypical, but a lot of black women tend to have a certain "attitude" towards their black man. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. But do you have any theories on what the reason is for that typical in your face "attitude" (ex. "Is that all you got? I thought you was a real man", "nah, hell nah", "no you don't", "you a dog", "you ain't s**t") It's almost as if they are trying to make their man feel incompetent. How do blak guys feel about this? I'm sorry for being stereotypical, but I would really appreciate some insight on those two issues. Edited October 9, 2003 by shiner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hye_Acher Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 What? What? Then how do you know who won the game? Seap. I only watch ice-skating and there aren’t very many Sev's, but when they suddenly appear out of nowhere then i change the channel during that performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sev-mard Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 (edited) Well I discuss this all the time, with ppl I know. I mean if you know basic american history about slavery and etc., there has been a consious effort by 'WHITE AMERICA' to keep black ppl down, and mentally confused. So we have a lot of issues that continue to this day. One is the fact that is that population wise there are twice as many black women as their are black men, and like you said black women neither date that much out of their race, or are pursued. Leaving them on the other side of a "popular" black male who is pursued by a lot of different races. Instead of hating on the other girls, black women will usually take it out on us. Not all of course, but this does occur. Sure black women can be stronger than the average girl, and seem abrasive, but we all know how much stereotypes, tv, rap videos and one bad experience on Susnset Blvd can do to propogate all these stereotypes. I personally used to only date black girls and was very proud about being who I am and all of that. As time passed I dated other women, and definately got heat for it. I found myself wondering why I was dating a non-black girl, b/c within the black community they will usually say black guys date non-black girls because they're weak, or easy. None of these motives was true for me. I found a cultural ethnic chick who I found to be beautiful and we clicked. And that's it. So I'm cool with dating who you want, if for the right reasons, such as compatability or love. If you're trying to make a statement, or if you're a black guy groupie, I can't stand that. But I give space and love to each and every person to date who they want to. I also respect wanting to preserver your race, you just don't have to shove that mentality down on every other person who is like you. Believe ppl who want to preserve their race will, and there will be plenty of them doing so, in order to keep the bloodlines of various cultures going for generations. Edited October 9, 2003 by sev-mard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justme Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 i hope somone someday will be able to help u.....thats pretty pathetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sev-mard Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 Once again hye-archer, I say "don't be scared...we don't bite unless you ask." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justme Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 my previous comment was for Hye Acher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 But what about movies? performances? It's not just athletics ... actually just this past week, every one of the top 10 on the pop music charts here in US was done by a black performer!!! That says a LOT. Sure, todays "pop" artists leave a lot to be desired but just by the fact that such a underpriviledged minority can come out and be so dominant, it says a lot about their potential as a group. I think it's very inspiring actually. Some of the best actors/actresses happen to be black. I think Whoopi deserved her Oscar for Ghost. I think Martin Lawrence is one of the funniest MoFos around. Denzel Washington? Man he is GOOD. I understand you don't want to date a black person for cultural reasons ... but change the channel on TV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sev-mard Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 I believe it's like a reactionary stance...."oh lots of ppl seem to be interested in black culture, so i'll hate it on purpose" I can say that I do that sometimes to white artists. But I'm just against the feeling that like what I stand for is negative, and threatening, it's all old propaganda. It's so ingrained you'll have ethnic ppls coming to America who already have a negative view of American blacks and they haven't even settled in yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sev-mard Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 (edited) And if the blacks you run into are the ones at clubs, or at the park or something, that's not everybody u know. I was in a sushi joint this week and this armo guy starts yelling and screaming, totally embarassing the waitress and making everybody turn around. Now I have some sense, sure that guy was a jerk, but do I say "all old fat armenian men are loud and obnoxious!" Absolutely not, but its okay for every other race to hate on black people whenever one of us does one thing out of line. Edited October 9, 2003 by sev-mard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hye_Acher Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 Once again hye-archer, I say "don't be scared...we don't bite unless you ask." Sev_Mard, Bite me... At least I don’t use, lie or manipulate SEV’S. So why are you getting offended that I change the channel when I see Sev? I wouldn’t get offended or hurt if anyone did that toward Armenians as long us we are not harming each other physically or emotionally… I don’t mind. I understand you don't want to date a black person for cultural reasons ... but change the channel on TV? I think Whoopi deserved her Oscar for Ghost. Seap..Maybe there is something more intresting to watch on the other channel. Hold on Whoopi is Sev? could it be that i am confusing Sev’s with Chinese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justme Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 Hye Acher ...where do u live...just curious... and. i dont think u are deserving of sev-mard's bite marks.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sev-mard Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 Hye Acher, It's no big deal in the overall quality of my life, and im not truly offended. But the consious effort to change the channel when a sev comes on, is consious nonetheless, and there is something behind that. But I won't lose any sleep over it. What's an example of someone, using or manipulating us, like you said? Just wondering? As for the biting, I only bite my girlfriend so you'll just have to take a number. Peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 Sevmard - More power to you dude...you seem very together and aware..and from how you have presented yourself here i would have no problem (if I had a daughter) with you dating her. So I wish you (two) the very best of luck. Just curious - about how old are you guys and how long have you been dating? I know that interacial/intercultural relationships can be very stressful for a variety of reasons and I really respect those who through will or desire or whatever are able to put up with all the difficulties and see it through. And just for everyones benefit - I just saw - yesterday - a young white guy and black gal walking down the street hand in hand (and looking really in love)...and I thought that this was great...I also used to work with a (white) guy who was married to a black gal - and they had two kids...boy did they ever get harrased & such...big time (call the police for help like...etc) I can understand why Armenians (and other ethnics) might be interested in dating/narrying one of their own and carrying on their cultural traditions and such...but please - do not be so quick to judge others and their choices...life is just to short for one...and don't think that you have all the answers...particualrly in regards to choices and lives of other folks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAH Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 To Justme. I don't see the correlation between someone identifying with the Armenian people and identifying with a black man. Firstly, if you consider the consequences of the Armenian Genocide, you should realize that what was started in 1915 is still in progress. The act of rooting our people from the homeland was the first step. The next, is to let the people dissipate thru assimilation. Our grandparents and parents feared this and therefore built communities in the diaspora to make sure we maintain our religion, our culture, and our language. Why after so much work, does the new generation of Armenians ignore this? Going out with odars and blacks. How can an Armenian that claims to recognize and mourn the loss of our martyrs, rationalize going out with an odar? with a black man? It's a contradiction in terms. If you want to raise odar or black children, that's your perogative. Just don't identify yourself as Armenian, as an Armenian would want to perpetuate being Armenian to her children. I might be labelled a racist....I don't care. We're all racists and anybody that tells you otherwise is only fooling themselves. I'm willing to take the chance of being chastized when I say that I'm ASHAMEd at our new generation. They'd rather identify with hip-hop, basketball, cheap thrills, hooliganism and generally unrefined, uneducated, and uncultured pasttimes rather than cherish something that was pasted down to us through hundreds of generations. If you truly cherished being Armenian, mourned what happened to our people, appreciated the things our forefathers did to make sure we call ourselves Armenian, than you'd want to pass that to your children.... !!!!!!! .And the ONLY way to do that is to marry Armenian. !!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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