Arpa Posted October 22, 2002 Report Share Posted October 22, 2002 The Turks are coming!During the American war of independence the prevailing cri de guerre was "The Bristish Are coming, the British are coming"!! Just as the Armenians thought they had found a safe haven far away from the Turk, just as America was regarded a Turkless country, things are achanging of late.Every time I run into a Turk, be they from Anatolia or Bosnia I can't help but surmise. (I have expressed this aloud as well).Why are Turks coming to America?We had no choice.Our homes and property was burned and confiscated. Our ancestors were murdered. Our mothers and sisters were raped and killed. Our born and unborn infants were made shish kebab at the sword. Our country was attempted to be cleansed of the last vestiges of an Armenian. SURPRISE!!!If the Turk intended to come to America in the first place then why were all those crimes commmitted? CAN WE MAKE A DEAL? Let all the turks come to America. I will go back to our ancetral homeland. On one condition, that every Turk, every Mehmet and Ali vacate the land so we can recreatE the Garden of Eden that Armenia is meant to be. THEY CAN HAVE AMERICA, THEY CAN SHOW THE AMERICANS WHAT MATERIAL THEY ARE MADE OF. THEY CAN EVEN HAVE MY HOUSE , I WILL MOVE TO THE HOUSE OF MY ANCESTORS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted October 22, 2002 Report Share Posted October 22, 2002 And when they come here, they bring their hatreds with them. I am an Armenian with no Armenian name, don't really look Armenian, am as American as you can get and don't ever speak Armenian in public. I am not a Turk-hater and for that reason certain Armenians label me as Mehmet or Moshe. However, I casually mentioned to a congenial American-born Turk at work that my family member was a very prominent person in Ottoman times. Soon after, someone poisoned my food in an office refrigerator. The Turkish government has brainwashed the Turks to believe that the Armenians Genocided the Turks, not the other way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigrannesIII Posted October 22, 2002 Report Share Posted October 22, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Arpa: Let all the turks come to America. I will go back to our ancetral homeland. On one condition, that every Turk, every Mehmet and Ali vacate the land so we can recreatE the Garden of Eden that Armenia is meant to be. THEY CAN HAVE AMERICA, THEY CAN SHOW THE AMERICANS WHAT MATERIAL THEY ARE MADE OF. THEY CAN EVEN HAVE MY HOUSE , I WILL MOVE TO THE HOUSE OF MY ANCESTORS.only if i get to go, too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Arpa:Why are Turks coming to America?I think it's the $0.49 tacos at Jack in the Box. I don't think you can find a better deal ANYWHERE else in the world By the way, NO DEAL!!! Let them stay where they are, we'll just ship some tacos for them once in a while. We are already building a nice Armenia right here in LA... why should we go back and start again? Is the physical location in Euclidean space really that important for us? [ October 22, 2002, 08:01 PM: Message edited by: Sip ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 Sip looks like you lost your front teath from eating those $0.49 tacos at jack in the box , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboyan Posted January 24, 2003 Report Share Posted January 24, 2003 the more turks to come here the less there will to kill in time of war and more to fight here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted January 25, 2003 Report Share Posted January 25, 2003 quote:Originally posted by baboyan:the more turks to come here the less there will to kill in time of war and more to fight hereAre these the words of a "true" Christian? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted January 25, 2003 Report Share Posted January 25, 2003 Member 477, I believe you belong in the humour section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted January 25, 2003 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2003 Some time ago when I wrote a similar item in the public Armenian Media, except that the title was "The Armenians are coming The Aremnains Are Coming!!!". It was during the height of the saga of the recapture of Shushi, the Kurds responded to me personally saying; "Et tu Brute?", i.e. "not you the Armenian", since I had hinted that the next "Armenians Are Coming" would be to the region of Ararat and Van (you did not know that those are the Kurdish Homelands), whoever they may be?Beware all!The Armenians ARE COMING!We have shaken loose all the chains, even if they were imposed by those f****n Jews. Now we are the masters of our fate, and nobody, be it Jew or Gentile, not even their newly found lackeys, aka Turks will dictate what is best for us.Watch out!The Armenians are coming, they have finally waken up out of two thousand years of stupor.It reminds me of the song made popular by Tennessee Ernie Ford; If you see me come you'd better step aside, lots of men didn't ad lots of them died, Don't ask me brother, I can't go, I (don't) owe my soul to the company store", whatever that company may be!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul bunyan Posted January 26, 2003 Report Share Posted January 26, 2003 quote:Originally posted by hagarag:And when they come here, they bring their hatreds with them. I am an Armenian with no Armenian name, don't really look Armenian, am as American as you can get and don't ever speak Armenian in public. I am not a Turk-hater and for that reason certain Armenians label me as Mehmet or Moshe. However, I casually mentioned to a congenial American-born Turk at work that my family member was a very prominent person in Ottoman times. Soon after, someone poisoned my food in an office refrigerator. The Turkish government has brainwashed the Turks to believe that the Armenians Genocided the Turks, not the other way around.I've heard stories like this before. about NICE turks, who prove to be not so nice afterall. shun turks and kurds, chechens, and azeri. they are all like demons! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted February 18, 2003 Report Share Posted February 18, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Arpa:Some time ago when I wrote a similar item in the public Armenian Media, except that the title was "The Armenians are coming The Aremnains Are Coming!!!". It was during the height of the saga of the recapture of Shushi, the Kurds responded to me personally saying; "Et tu Brute?", i.e. "not you the Armenian", since I had hinted that the next "Armenians Are Coming" would be to the region of Ararat and Van (you did not know that those are the Kurdish Homelands), whoever they may be?Beware all!The Armenians ARE COMING!We have shaken loose all the chains, even if they were imposed by those f****n Jews. Now we are the masters of our fate, and nobody, be it Jew or Gentile, not even their newly found lackeys, aka Turks will dictate what is best for us.Watch out!The Armenians are coming, they have finally waken up out of two thousand years of stupor.It reminds me of the song made popular by Tennessee Ernie Ford; If you see me come you'd better step aside, lots of men didn't ad lots of them died, Don't ask me brother, I can't go, I (don't) owe my soul to the company store", whatever that company may be!!Can we have a URL to the item, please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted February 18, 2003 Report Share Posted February 18, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Paul bunyan:I've heard stories like this before. about NICE turks, who prove to be not so nice afterall. shun turks and kurds, chechens, and azeri. they are all like demons!I disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHANNA Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 ON ONE CONDITION PLEASE TAKE ME WITH YOU. I WILL DO ANYTHING TO GET MY HOMELAND BACK, GO ON TOP OF MASIS AND SCREAM OUT LOUD HAYASTAN, SIROOM EM KEZ, ANYTHING IN THIS WORLD, I WILL DO TO BRING BACK THE SMILE ON MY ARMENIAN NATION, SO WE COULD BE HAPPY AGAIN, AND LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER..... YOU ARE WRONG, YOU DAMN TURK, IT IS NOT ONLY IN FAIRY TAILS, BUT IT WILL HAPPEN TO ME, I WILL GO ON TOP OF ARARAT AND SCREAM THE HELL WITH TURKS, ARMENIAN FOREVER, AFTER ALL, WE ARE SMARTER THEN YOU ARE, BECAUSE YOU WERE JEALOUS THEN AND NOW, OF OUR BEAUTY, YOU ARE JEALOUS BECAUSE WE ARE SMART, YOU ARE JEALOUS BECAUSE WE ARE PURE AND INNOCENT, YOU ARE JEALOUS, BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO BE ARMENIAN, THAT IS THE ONLY REASON THAT YOU CONVERTED OUR BABY BOYS AND MADE THEM THINK THAT THEY ARE TURKS, MADE THEM MARRY TURKIS BIT......ES BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO BE AN ARYAN RACE, OTHERWISE YOU WERE THE TYPICAL MUSLIM, I HATE YOU ALL, MAY YOU BURN IN HELL, THOUSAND TIMES MORE THAN HITLER, YOU WILL ANSWER TO MY GOD, YOU FOOLISH TURKS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003 Zhanna - please tone it dowm! (the all caps and the silly rehtoric). Look - we all understand what our history and the Turks have dealt us...but I suggest that you study deaper then the headlines to understand what truly happened to us and try to reach into your heart and understand that turks are people too. Sure they have a sordid histoty that they must come to terms with - but one cannot just blame all turks for the sins of some of their ancestors and the misguided actions fo their government and the attitudes of certain less educated and overzealously nationalistic Turks. I fear that the attitudes that you take - kill Turks and such - will only make you 9and us) more like them (as you see them)...and this is not a good thing. To some degree we must accept the fate that has been dealt us. We must forgive (but never forget) and move on. Your idea of retakling Western Armenia is just not feasable - nor likely will it ever be - neither is it moral - because of what we would become, what we would do - to accomplish such. You must try to see all people as human beings first and understand that nationality comes a very distant second - if that. You must try to really learn the lessons of the genocide for our people and becaome a better person because of it - not a characterture of hate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph parikian Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003 Ok Thoth you say not all turks are bad or guilty , but brother they are still doing what they did to us to the kurds and worse denying them to speek or teach their language erase their vilages and towns and what worse calling them mountein turks , so nothing change these people need a big shake to awaken them and make them realise what kined of people they were and are, in one word " blode thirsty " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003 joeseph P - I don't disagree with you. I will always be wary of the Turks...or more accuratly the turkish governement and elits. And certainly many Turks display - for lack of a better word - displeasing attitudes and mannerisms etc - most tied to an unflaggingly nationalistic and very limited/uneducated perspective. But it is a mistake to brand all or even most Turks this way. Most are much like you ad I - trying to live their lives, enjoy themselves a bit, take care of their families...etc And its a mistake to assume that all Turks are uneducated, unfeeling or unappreciative of Armenian issues etc - many are (all of these things...perhaps in depreciating order...but they exist all the same). So what I am saying is that we need to address the issues, be realisitc, be understanding and not just be blinded by hatred and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003 THOTH, I mostly agree with you that we can't blame all Turks and maybe many Turks would be/are sympathetic to our cause. But when it comes to admitting they would prefer to be silent and back their criminal government. After all, it is against every patriotic Turk's interest to admit guilt because sooner or later it will raise the issue of restitution. Hence we have a clear conflict of interest. I would rather realize and acknowledge this than believe that Turkey (the state) or the Turkish people can ever be friends of Armenians or Armenia until our Genocide is recognized and our land claims are satisfied to a degree or another. But we should definitely not be followed by blind hate. The nowadays Turks have nothing to do with the crime. Their crime is the denial and all consequencies of it. If given a proper knowledge many Turks would not deny and would feel sorry (so we hope) and perhaps even apologize, but they definitely wouldn't let us go back to our ancient homeland. What should we do? Certainly not hate, but not consider them friends either. And that makes them more likely enemies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lev7 Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 Always love your enemy. This way you do more harm than by hating your enemy. When we hate our enemy we become the very thing we hate. We become an enemy too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph parikian Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 " The nowadays Turks have nothing to do with the crime "Sasun jan:- then who you think is commiting the crime " NOWADAYS " against the Kurds , maybe the " Otoman Turks " ??? , the point i was trying to make was that nothing changed in their atitude or behavior . As far as i am seeing , nothing changed " Otoman Turks or - Ataturk Turks "If you see any diference please let me know . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 Joseph jan, what I meant by the 'crime' was the crime of Armenian genocide. The Turkish state is certainly responsible of the crime against Kurds (another crime). And I agree that in essence there is not much difference between Ottoman Turkey and Ataturk Turkey. Both maintain the same political culture of supremacy ideology (racial or religious). Both or chauvinistic, both rely on violence, both neglect human rights, etc. And most importantly for Armenians, both are anti-Armenian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 Always love your enemy. This way you do more harm than by hating your enemy. When we hate our enemy we become the very thing we hate. We become an enemy too! Lev, I agree with you. We must love the human in our enemy. Hate is never justified morally or useful for practical reasons. Hatred consitutes weekness of mind and spirit, and eventually leads to defeat of the hater (but not the hate as phenomenon). Hate always blinds the mind and doesn't let the individual to think and reason in a natural way. Because love and hate are mutually exclusive, if we maintain love towards the enemy, we will be able to defend ourselves maximally. There is a widespread misunderstanding. Love doesn't mean to give up and let your enemy kill you. But it is possible to defeat your enemy (or actually the hatred in your enemy, and not the human being) by expressing love towards him. It is really difficult. But if we manage to make the enemy understand that we love him, then he will stop hating us, which means that he is no longer an enemy. To achieve this, one should have pure and infinite measure of love. Since that is rarely the case, especially when there is war and destruction, we never see this mechanism working, hence the disbelief and misunderstanding. As far as Turks and Armenians, we don't really love the Turks and we probably will never do. But I think it is very important to do our best to find reasons to love them as much as we can. We can certainly do it on individual bases if not on a community/national level. That depends on how much are we able to love another person without thinking of nationality. Love is the answer in all situations, but it is not easy to love. One can learn to really love by being spiritual and seeking the source of infinite love. Well, this leads to endless religious debate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHANNA Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 Although I respect everyone's attitude, that does not mean that you can suppress my feelings or emotions. How can you say that nowdays turks have nothing to do with the crimes. What kind of crime are we talking about, is it sending poisonous food to Armenia after the earthquake of 1988, I was there, I saw what was going on, I saw them sending bloddy diapers or pads to our country and laughing at us, I saw them sending poisounous or rotten food, and laughing at us, you know what's the worst form of Genocide, white genocide, which means they kill our feelings, our hatred against them, and what is the condition of our Armenians in Turkey, what is their moral or emotional condition.. It is so easy to say love thy neighbor, but in practicality when it comes to loving your enemy you can'tI studies genocide, I did speeches at UCLS about the Armenian Genocide, almost got killed by your innocent Turks, it was a nightmare, Do you know what I wanted to be or what I wanted to do? I wanted to be a politician, someone who will fight to get our land back, but people like you and TUrks who threatened me, made me think twice, you say it is not possible, whay not, why are we such cowards, why do we always think that we are nothing and we can't accomplilsh anything, tell me , why?I bellieve in Jesus, and I know that my words are harsh, but I can't find any other words, to describe such torment and torchure to our people. Until now, who takes our innocent Armenian girs and god knows does what to them, tell me who, our # 1 enemy is TURKEY WILL BE TURKEY, you forgot Karabagh, what they did to us in 1988-1989, have you forgotten, look at US one terrorist attack to the country, look how sourful they are towards terrorist, they never mention love, how are you supposed to love someone if all they do is drink the blood of innocent people, whether that be Greeks, Kurds or Armenians, love does not exist my friend, you have to be smart and protect and fight for what belongs to you, just like the Jewish communicty, they fought very hard but they won, because Germany admitted the guilt, and until Turkey admits that Genocide happened and gives me back my land, I will not speak of love, forgiveness, you are supposed to forgive someone if they admit they are guilty, cowards like Turks, who are nothing but Turk, you want me to love and forgive them, maybe you will want me to marry them tomorrow? HA? TELL ME? ALL I KNOW IS THAT MY GOD IS GREAT, AND YOU WILL SEE, WE WILL GET OUR LAND BACK, I PROMISE YOU, MAYBE I WILL NOT BE HERE FOR THAT VICTORIOUS DAY, BUT I KNOW IT I WILL HAPPEN, JUSTICE PREVAILS MY FRIEND ALWAYS! TO BE ARMENIAN IS TO BE INNOCENT, THAT IS WHAT WE ARE UNTIL NOW, THAT IS WHY WE STILL EXIST, BECAUSE GOD IS WITH INNOCENT PEOPLE, UNDERSTAND, LOVE YOU ALL MY FELLOW ARMENIANS1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lev7 Posted April 24, 2003 Report Share Posted April 24, 2003 (edited) ZHANNA, you make very good points. But remember that strong emotions never bring to anything good in this world and especially in politics, coming from the fact that you wanted to become a politician. When we say "love your enemy", we do not mean literally love it. What we mean is that keep your neighbors close, but enemies closer. Hatred and anger just brings more violence and does not accomplish anything. I mean look at those Turkish diplomats killed by Armenians, mostly belonging to the ASALA organization. What did this accomplish??? NOTHING but more hate and it gave reasons for the Turks to say that, hey look what Armenians are doing to us, so we weren't the ones killing them in the first place. We have to approach the issue of the Genocide diplomatically and not with full of emotions. As far as the land issue is concerned, in no feasible ways we can ever get our ancestral lands back. Only way we can get our hands on those lands if WW III occurs and Turkey suffers great loses or some kind of a miracle happens. As for Turks, they are just brainwashed by their government. Like we are raised by constantly being reminded of the Genocide, they are raised to deny that it ever happened. We have to fight the Turkish government and not its brainwashed people. And we are not cowards, we just can't effectively unite and cooperate with each other. That is our biggest loss as compared with the Jews. And did I forget to mention jeolousy But I like your spirit, the Armenian community needs people like you Edited April 24, 2003 by Lev7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of Armenia Posted June 26, 2003 Report Share Posted June 26, 2003 Lev7, I am impressed with your constructive view of the issue. I am a Turk by the way. You call us brainwashed, we call you brainwashed. However the picture is like this: You believe in that a genocide happened with your hearts.We believe in that a genocide did not happen with our hearts. You know, in the future if it turns out there indeed was a genocide, and if I am not here at that time to transmit my personal aplogies, I now am lending my personal apology from your people to be used at that time. Best Knight of Armenia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted June 26, 2003 Report Share Posted June 26, 2003 You know, in the future if it turns out there indeed was a genocide ...Don't know about the future but last time I checked the facts, there was one that happened in the past. You believe in that a genocide happened with your hearts.We believe in that a genocide did not happen with our hearts. Dude forget your heart. Try to use your brain for a change and maybe your eyes will open (FYI, eyes are closer to the brain than to the heart, plus 40% of the brain is dedicated to processing visual info). The heart is just a dumb blood pump ... just keeps pumping and pumping and pumping (much like you are pumping your crap) until one day in the future, it will stop pumping and realize there was in fact a genocide. But that's when you will be dead and even more useless than now . But I digress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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