Arshak Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 Those who think they know, in reality they don't know. And those who really don't know, they really know. Isn't that interesting? Yes. It is ironical after all. How many times have you thought of something and was so closely sure of it; you then thought it was the right answer that was going to solve the special thing you anticipated in your mind. And then you might of reconsidered it in your-self "Wait a minute, maybe there is someting else to it, maybe something more or less that I should know about this before I go ahead and execute the plan." This is where Jesus comes into one's life and offers his answers to the questions that we have in our heads. There might be one question or numerous, but he diligently and generously answers to them one after another with his teachings and with the word of God. This experience that I had is one of a kind and I have to share this with you. I think it will be very interesting for everyone to know about this. One time I was feeling very despaired about something that had occured within my family. I no longer had passion about anything, not even cooking. I didn't know what to do, wheather to go or stay. People used to come to my house and begin talking about religion and I couldn't concentrate on what they were talking about, because my mind was always somewhere else. And I was answering them with other ways that hadn't got to do with anything they said. They were very surprised of my answers and at the end they just left. Then one day I was watching TBN, (Turner Broadcast Network) the national religion channel on channel 12. I was usually just passing by that channel all the time going from FOX to UPN. But this time I stopped for a moment and kept viewing it for about 2 hours which had seemed to be 4 minutes. Then I realized that Jesus was trying to communicate with me through Benny Hinn. Benny Hinn has always been preaching since the first time I got to see channel 12 which was about 7 years ago. He was talking about morals from the Bible, but I wasn't even understanding them. As Mr. Benny Hinn was explaining the scriptures, at the same time I was having a feeling of rejuvination. Like it was the first time I was seeing his sermon. There was a joyful force coming out of Benny Hinn which lead me to want to listen to him in a more wanting motion. And he was saying "Jesus, there is someone that needs your help, a young man who is confused and lost," and quickly I began to understand all of his teachings through another viewpoint that was impossible before. Benny Hinn is truly a prophecy of God and Lord Jesus. I have finally found someone that I can listen to and understand the truth about life. Someone that was close to me all the time who was at the same time being unnoticed. It's kind of one of those answers in physics problems where the hidden givens are there, but you just have to have a guide to tell you, the teacher. And then later on he was talking about angels. Yes, angels. He was saying that angels are our guides and there are not one angel, but many. When he said this, I remebered that I had seen an angel before in my life, not once but twice. One time I was in my bed looking out of the window and had seen a bright true white with the diameter of a penny. When I noticed it, it abruptly flew away without a trace. The next time I saw it was 5 months ago sitting on my porch. It came from above, went down, and a little to the right, and up to the left, and down to the right, and up again, and then up again this time even faster to the universe. I had told about this to my family members, but they didn't give much of an attention. They thought I was getting crazy. While, Mr. Benny Hinn was explaning about angels, I felt very relieved that the bond between me and the true God and Jesus was beginning to form. Something that I know and something that he knew had a great deal of correlation. And the persons surrounding him were also had a tremendous force on me, since their attention was souly directed on Mr. Benny Hinn. I was telling about the angels that I saw and nobody believed me. And what is most astonishing about this is that, he told me about this in the first place without me having to tell him. Now I will know the truth. -- † -- [ January 01, 2003, 02:39 PM: Message edited by: Arshak ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 Oh my God! Another TBN fan!!! I LOVE that channel. I have to say it is some of the BEST stuff on TV, especially late at night. Yes, I even actually prefer TBN than to watching those STUPID "girls gone wild" video commercials. My favorite preacher is McHammer though. His surmons just speak to me. I just want to get up and scream oh LORD I am a witness to your Powaaaaa .... I just want to stand up and testify to the power of the lord that I feel inside me ... Dion Sanders is another one that I like to listen a lot. The only one I really hate is that very ugly looking old woman with 7 layers of makeup on her face... not sure what her name is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Arshak:Those who think they know, in reality they don't know. And those who really don't know, they really know. Now I will know the truth. LOL - please consider your last statement in light of the first that you made (the first statement is Daoist BTW - Lao Tzu i believe (but I might be mistaken...I really don't know you see...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Arshak:One time I was in my bed looking out of the window and had seen a bright true white with the diameter of a penny. When I noticed it, it abruptly flew away without a trace. The next time I saw it was 5 months ago sitting on my porch. It came from above, went down, and a little to the right, and up to the left, and down to the right, and up again, and then up again this time even faster to the universe. moths i suspect....but I really don't know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Arshak:Those who think they know, in reality they don't know. And those who really don't know, they really know. While, Mr. Benny Hinn was explaning about angels, I felt very relieved that the bond between me and the true God and Jesus was beginning to form. Something that I know and something that he knew had a great deal of correlationYou don't say? You know? You think that you know? Well I don't know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fadi Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 Thoth, in fact, there is similair Taoist "proverbs"... But as well, this conception of knowledge was the bases of Socrates definition of human "wiseness" Socrates distinged, two types of man. The one that thinks he know, but in fact ignore, and the one that know he don't know. For Socrates, thew first one is a double ignorant, because not only he don't know, but as well, he don't know that he don't know, while the second man, may not know, but he know that he don't know, so he know something that the other don't know. This is one of the bases of Socratian philosophia. It started when an oracle allegedly said that Socrates was the "wisest" man alive, while(again from Platon), he then meditated, and meditated, and tried to understand why, him a simple artist, that know pratically nothing would be more wise then others, when finally he understood that what makes him more wise then others, was just the fact that he recognised his ignorance, just the fact that he wondered why he was wiser then others, made him in fact wise... All Socratic irony is based on that, for the rest of his life he practiced this art that we call Socratic Irony, the goal was to ask questions to people, that there could be just one answer, this was the irony, because since the question had only one answer, there could possibly not be a question, and the question was to make the individual that he asked the question to, realise that in fact, from his own answer he regnised his own ignorance. So, now that Socrates has lowered himself to the level of the total ignorant, and he's admission of his own ignorance, he practiced the art of showing people that what they think they know, they don't know more then him, and that if they could realise that, then they may be as wise as him. There may of course be people that in fact know and not ignore, those ones would not contradict what they preach, with the answers they give to Socrates(to the questions that have one answer), but again Socrates realised that there was no sucu indivual, and that a man can not reach absolut wisness, and the goal of man is always to approch that wiseness. BTW: Sorry could not stop myself answering to that, because that question you raised, was the bases of Socrates argumentation, something I try to preach and fail to do so, because I'm human. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Domino:Thoth, in fact, there is similair Taoist "proverbs"... But as well, this conception of knowledge was the bases of Socrates definition of human "wiseness" Socrates distinged, two types of man. The one that thinks he know, but in fact ignore, and the one that know he don't know. For Socrates, thew first one is a double ignorant, because not only he don't know, but as well, he don't know that he don't know, while the second man, may not know, but he know that he don't know, so he know something that the other don't know. This is one of the bases of Socratian philosophia. It started when an oracle allegedly said that Socrates was the "wisest" man alive, while(again from Platon), he then meditated, and meditated, and tried to understand why, him a simple artist, that know pratically nothing would be more wise then others, when finally he understood that what makes him more wise then others, was just the fact that he recognised his ignorance, just the fact that he wondered why he was wiser then others, made him in fact wise... All Socratic irony is based on that, for the rest of his life he practiced this art that we call Socratic Irony, the goal was to ask questions to people, that there could be just one answer, this was the irony, because since the question had only one answer, there could possibly not be a question, and the question was to make the individual that he asked the question to, realise that in fact, from his own answer he regnised his own ignorance. So, now that Socrates has lowered himself to the level of the total ignorant, and he's admission of his own ignorance, he practiced the art of showing people that what they think they know, they don't know more then him, and that if they could realise that, then they may be as wise as him. There may of course be people that in fact know and not ignore, those ones would not contradict what they preach, with the answers they give to Socrates(to the questions that have one answer), but again Socrates realised that there was no sucu indivual, and that a man can not reach absolut wisness, and the goal of man is always to approch that wiseness. BTW: Sorry could not stop myself answering to that, because that question you raised, was the bases of Socrates argumentation, something I try to preach and fail to do so, because I'm human. Here is to the eternal wisdom of Thot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fadi Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 Wisdom, of course, I always forget that such a word exist and use the word "Wiseness" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Domino:Wisdom, of course, I always forget that such a word exist and use the word "Wiseness" Your Excellentness is welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigrannesIII Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 praise tha laaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwddddddd!!!!!!!! that protestant crap is so funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph Posted December 21, 2002 Report Share Posted December 21, 2002 Every time I see Beny Hinn and his likes I make sure that my walet and my bank acount are in a secure place , man you never know , if this guy can heel through the tv screen he might be able to see your bank acount . I dont know if Beny Hinn heard about st. Judes hospital where the children with cancer stay , I wish he goes there and heel those innocent children for free for GODS sake . All you brain washed whats wrong with you . come on open your eyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph Posted December 21, 2002 Report Share Posted December 21, 2002 Arshak jan did he breath in your face or just hit you with his jaket or touch your forehead , did you fall down unconcius and for how long ? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubo Posted December 21, 2002 Report Share Posted December 21, 2002 Jesus never said pay for my servicesJesus never said Catholic, Mormon, and Baptist, orthodox, evangelicalHe said simply through me you might find GodQuestion might is plausible, doable, humaneI question the truth of what Jesus really saidSince I know gossip like history accumulatesIn the minds of believers til they kill the very spiritWhich they proclaim to believe I am a Christian in spiritAlthough I never read the bible more then a pageShall I follow a doctrine?Each to his own I sayLike the wise men always say “search and you shall find” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted December 21, 2002 Report Share Posted December 21, 2002 Also reminds me of this American Indian (Cheif Joseph...I don't remember) who drew a circle in the sand and said: all that is in the circle is what I know (or what is known)- (or was it the area of this circle represents what I know...etc) and all outside the circle is what is unknown. Of course the area outside the circle is infinite (and one assumes greater then that inside)...anyway - similar (and equally true) concept IMO (but what do I know?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted December 21, 2002 Report Share Posted December 21, 2002 quote:Originally posted by THOTH:(but what do I know?)What do you know? Who are you? Do you know who you are? Who are you and what are you doing? What are you and who (how?) are you doing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted December 21, 2002 Report Share Posted December 21, 2002 Er....yeah....I guess...don't know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted December 21, 2002 Report Share Posted December 21, 2002 Amended version (returned to sender....) quote:Originally posted by Stormy:What do you know? Who are you? Do you know who you are? Who are you and what are you doing? What are you and who (how?) are you doing? And what are you drinking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted December 21, 2002 Report Share Posted December 21, 2002 quote:Originally posted by THOTH:Amended version (returned to sender....)And what are you drinking?I don't know. What do I know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted December 21, 2002 Report Share Posted December 21, 2002 Something better to believe in: IPU † Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted December 21, 2002 Report Share Posted December 21, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Stormy:Something better to believe in: IPU †Cool. I have long been of the belief that if I brush my teeth 3 times a day I am going to heabin. Too bad I can only seem to get it in twice a day...so guess I'm just DOOMED! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph Posted December 21, 2002 Report Share Posted December 21, 2002 THOTH ... ' heabin ' where is that at ???? I could not fined the place in my ' world atlas ' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubo Posted December 21, 2002 Report Share Posted December 21, 2002 Descartes, Tolstoy, Gurdjieff, Gandhi, Mother Theresa, St. Augustine, Plato, Krishnamurti, Dalai Lama, etc. all believed the existence of God.Could all these people and millions others be stupid in believing in God and some of our forum members be super geniuses and that they’re reasoning stands on much superior grounds? Being cynical is easier since it requires minimal mental activity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted December 21, 2002 Report Share Posted December 21, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Rubo:Descartes, Tolstoy, Gurdjieff, Gandhi, Mother Theresa, St. Augustine, Plato, Krishnamurti, Dalai Lama, etc. all believed the existence of God.Irrelevant. Geniuses and non-geniuses alike also have treated, treat, and will treat women differently from men because of traditions. Now, are billions of people right and we a handful wrong? [ December 21, 2002, 02:22 PM: Message edited by: Stormy ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubo Posted December 21, 2002 Report Share Posted December 21, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Stormy: quote:Originally posted by Rubo:Descartes, Tolstoy, Gurdjieff, Gandhi, Mother Theresa, St. Augustine, Plato, Krishnamurti, Dalai Lama, etc. all believed the existence of God.Irrelevant. Geniuses and non-geniuses alike also have treated, treat, and will treat women differently from men because of traditions. Now, are billions of people right and we a handful wrong? smilies/eek.gif smilies/shocked.gifSince you mention Irrelevance then your argument has no point since you are off to totally different subject therefore it is an irrelevant argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted December 21, 2002 Report Share Posted December 21, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Rubo:Since you mention Irrelevance then your argument has no point since you are off to totally different subject therefore it is an irrelevant argument.No, it is not irrelevant. It has all the relevance as it deals with attitudes of people of all sorts. These people probably also have "philsophies" on women's conduct, Jews (oh no, not again!), as well as sympathy to obscure cults, etc. It has nothing to do with genius. My point is that even geniuses cannot always think outside certain boundaries that we lesser ones can (or will try to) so as to progress - or just plain question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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