khodja Posted November 13, 2002 Report Share Posted November 13, 2002 Arpa, The Genocide is the glue which holds us together as Armenians. If the Turkish establishment ever capitulates on this issue the Armenians, sadly I must say, will probably rip each other to shreds.In a way, the Turks have helped us remain a nation by focusing our anger upon them rather than upon the deep anger we feel for each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted November 13, 2002 Report Share Posted November 13, 2002 quote:Originally posted by hagarag:Arpa, The Genocide is the glue which holds us together as Armenians. If the Turkish establishment ever capitulates on this issue the Armenians, sadly I must say, will probably rip each other to shreds.In a way, the Turks have helped us remain a nation by focusing our anger upon them rather than upon the deep anger we feel for each other.Yeah, yeah!Glue, my "eshek"!If that is the kind of glue to hold us together then I must wish you a thousand genocides, at least one at each turn of a century.But then again, I thought the glue holding us together was our kinship to the "chosen people". You can have them too up your "eshek". With glues like that, no wonder we can't hold our house together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted November 13, 2002 Report Share Posted November 13, 2002 No no no, you guys got it all wrong. Of course, that is not surprising (see explanation below). You see, the glue that holds us together is that each one of us is clearly superior to the rest of our fellow Armenians. What other group provides such a wonderful opportunity to be the best of a group? Of course the rest of you couldn't see this as clearly as I can, because by definition you are inferior to my superior "guru" status. I must admit that the same superiority is true for all of you, but I don't want to hear about it. Ahh, it is good to be among Armenians. It makes me feel so clever. I think I will post this in the "Culture" section. After all, this piece of wisdom should be distinguished from other riffraff. Hmph!... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghos Posted November 13, 2002 Report Share Posted November 13, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Twilight Bark:No no no, you guys got it all wrong. Of course, that is not surprising (see explanation below). You see, the glue that holds us together is that each one of us is clearly superior to the rest of our fellow Armenians. What other group provides such a wonderful opportunity to be the best of a group? Of course the rest of you couldn't see this as clearly as I can, because by definition you are inferior to my superior "guru" status. I must admit that the same superiority is true for all of you, but I don't want to hear about it. Ahh, it is good to be among Armenians. It makes me feel so clever. I think I will post this in the "Culture" section. After all, this piece of wisdom should be distinguished from other riffraff. Hmph!... Hello TB, I thought we had only one resident "guru" that goes by the name of Ara Baliozian. But in any case I agree with you that every Armenian has a little bit of Baliozian in his blood. Armenians are very competitive, especially against each other. But often enough they are not as competitive when it comes to non-Armenians ("odar" is a word outside my vocabulary). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted November 13, 2002 Report Share Posted November 13, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Boghos:Hello TB, I thought we had only one resident "guru" that goes by the name of Ara Baliozian. But in any case I agree with you that every Armenian has a little bit of Baliozian in his blood.Hi Boghos,What can I say; you read me like a book. quote:Armenians are very competitive, especially against each other. But often enough they are not as competitive when it comes to non-Armenians ("odar" is a word outside my vocabulary).Competing against non-Armenians is such a drag. One can satisfy the need for uniqueness by declaring oneself better than any Armenian in sight. It has the added bonus of providing a handy explanation for lack of success. Ahh, if I weren't held back by those Armenians, who knows what glories I would have. Aahh, ahh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted November 13, 2002 Report Share Posted November 13, 2002 It is trivial to show that I am superior to anyone else. Whatever metric you use to classify yourself as "better" than me, I will simply declare the opposite of that metric to be the higher order classificaion for me The same technique can be extended to show that in a group of n people, each person is superior to the rest as TB so eloquently put Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted November 13, 2002 Report Share Posted November 13, 2002 quote:Originally posted by aurguplu: mj, do you realise that this particular interpretation removes the fundamental difference between christianity and islam (i mean if i got you correctly - that jesus is not the biological son of god)? a comparable claim can perhaps be made for turks and (perhaps) the germans. tragically ironic, but not unique: witness the jewish case, for instance: three years after the holocaust, the first jewish state in more than 1,000 years was born.[/QB]I disagree, Ali. It is true that Islam recognizes the "divinity" of Jesus Christ, but it is only on the capacity of a prophet. I also don’t think that in the context of contemporary Christianity Christ is considered to be the "biological son" of God. Even the contemporary Christianity does not claim that God has sex with mortals. However, it is known that the above referenced Adoptionist Armenians have been in very friendly terms with Muslim Arabs and have frequently been protected by them, while they have had significant conflict with the Byzantines. As far as Israel is concerned, obviously its establishment has been the reward to the Jews for the endurance of the Holocaust. I am yet to see someone "rewarding" Armenians for the Genocide. Whatever Armenians have accomplished or failed, the praise or the blame goes to Armenians. Therefore, in the big picture of things, I don’t see much of a parallel. I also fail to understand the comparison with the Turs and the Germans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aurguplu Posted November 14, 2002 Report Share Posted November 14, 2002 mj, 1. i understand your point re jesus in islam and christianity, but the crucial difference that muslims say exists between christianity and islam is that while the former says that god has a son, the latter says god unique in that he has no relatives of any kind, is not begotten, does not beget. if contemporary christianity rejects the belief of god having a biological son, then the most important difference between the two religions is removed as far as i can see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aurguplu Posted November 14, 2002 Report Share Posted November 14, 2002 the above discussion between arpa and hagarag makes me wonder. what will happen to the armenians after turkey recoognises the genocide, and does most of the things armenians want it to do, especially the diaspora? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted November 14, 2002 Report Share Posted November 14, 2002 Ali, As you claim, that is what Muslims say. Nowhere in the New Testament one can read that God has had biological Son. Such an assertion is a vulgarization by the opponents of Christianity and the simple minded "Christians." The most important difference between Christianity and Islam is is the message of loving one’s enemy and the path for one’s salvation, which goes through Jesus Christ. This is what Christianity is about. The rest is fluff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted November 14, 2002 Report Share Posted November 14, 2002 Ali, I should admit that I am touched by your concern for Armenians... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted November 14, 2002 Report Share Posted November 14, 2002 Arpa, No one is so blind as he who does not see! You have a phobia of Jews. That is why you refuse to contemplate any thoughts about recent genetic discoveries which clearly show a partial Hebrew background for the Armenains. This stuff came right out of the ROA in conjuction with the Brits, but was quickly buried. The fact that Jewish blood may run in your veins is someting that makes you sick. This is a product of either your Soviet or Arab upbringing. All you can do is call me an "eshek." Typical Armenian response, trying to shame me into following the traditional beliefs. Unforunately for you, years of self learning and contemplation have cured me of the "Armenian disease." I am now a citizen of the world who is open to contemplate any theory without any blinders on. It took thirty years of unlearning all the crap I learned from my family and in Armenian school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aurguplu Posted November 14, 2002 Report Share Posted November 14, 2002 quote:Originally posted by MJ:Ali, I should admit that I am touched by your concern for Armenians...you would find it easier to believe that i am curious rather than concerned, wouldn't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted November 14, 2002 Report Share Posted November 14, 2002 Who did unleash the Village Idiot, again...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted November 14, 2002 Report Share Posted November 14, 2002 I am sure you have heard that "Curiosity has killed the Cat." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted November 14, 2002 Report Share Posted November 14, 2002 Associated Press (AP)-Los Angeles Village Idiot found to have high IQ A 50 year old Armenian-American, former member of the Armenia community of this city, has been found to have scored between 140 and 180 on IQ tests administered over a period of years. The psychology professionals who studied this individual initially were concerned with the veracity of his identity as he appeared to be approximately 30 years of age. Researchers concluded that what constitutes a "village idiot" in the milieu of the Armenian community is anyone who does not adhere to the beliefs of the self-appointed leaders of said community. Researchers found that church leaders in collaboration with the wealthy in the community establish community standards. anyone not adhering to these standards is immediately labeled as "village idiot." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph Posted November 15, 2002 Report Share Posted November 15, 2002 And Hagarag which one you are The "Village Idiot" or the so called "self-apointed leader". Reading your posts you could represent both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sen_Vahan Posted November 15, 2002 Report Share Posted November 15, 2002 "Arpa, The Genocide is the glue which holds us together as Armenians. If the Turkish establishment ever capitulates on this issue the Armenians, sadly I must say, will probably rip each other to shreds.In a way, the Turks have helped us remain a nation by focusing our anger upon them rather than upon the deep anger we feel for each other." Yeah, it holds - in Armenia, Russia, US, canada, Sweden,germany, Italy.(I missed all others)Unfortunately, it holds the concept of armenianism but not the nation.Normal people are glued because of the land and abnormals by some stupid glue. So sad to be among jews and gypsies. "James Christ, I can't believe this ... " Everybody has his/her ancestors.James Bond also did Look, that was really his ancestor, otherwise he could remain in secret for so long "The pearls of wisdom, enlightenment, expressed here by MJ, Arpa and others is very refreshing. Thr ruse foisted upon all of Christians goes much further when you discover that Jesus progeny presently sit on many of the vestigial thrones of Europe and in the remaining royal houses. While we are all figuratively the children of Jesus, the BIOLOGICAL children of Jesus remain on this earth. This is not to say that the true message of Jesus is not everlasting. " Hagarag, Bayz du vor uzum es, sksum es xelok baner xosel:)Ay te inch e nshanakum zankutyun unenal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sen_Vahan Posted November 15, 2002 Report Share Posted November 15, 2002 The origin of Christ was always ambiguous.(See the example below) A well-known American Joke: Three proofs that Jesus was Jewish: 1. He went into his father's business.2. He lived at home untill the age of 33.3.He was sure that his mother was a virgin, and his mother was sure that he was a God 3 proofs that Jesus was Irish: 1. He never got married. 2. He never had a steady job. 3. His last request was for a drink. 3 proofs that Jesus was Italian: 1. He talked with his hands. 2. He took wine with every meal. 3. He worked in the building trade.'3 proofs that Jesus was Black: 1. He called everybody brother. 2. He had no permanent address. 3. Nobody would hire him. 3 proofs that Jesus was Puerto Rican: 1. His first name was Jesus. 2. He was always in trouble with the law. 3. His mother did not know who his real father was. 3 proofs that Jesus was from California (oooooops ) 1. He never cut his hair. 2. He walked around barefoot. 3. He invented a new religion. Tenz baner... Who knows...Vahan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted November 15, 2002 Report Share Posted November 15, 2002 hahahaahha .. those are awesome! But Vahan, you know you are going straight to hell for saying all that, right? [ November 16, 2002, 01:10 AM: Message edited by: Sip ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sen_Vahan Posted November 15, 2002 Report Share Posted November 15, 2002 Sip, I am actually posting from there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted November 15, 2002 Report Share Posted November 15, 2002 quote:Originally posted by sen_vahan:Sip, I am actually posting from there smilies/lol.gifI can attest to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-e- Posted November 15, 2002 Report Share Posted November 15, 2002 hagarag??? are you the same nostradamus from armeniancafe??? hey:) i couldn't have miss you. you were the one claiming that Vardan Mamikonian was a chinese? you also said the jews used to live in anatolia before the armenians came and started to kill everyone in asia minor. hey, it's good to see you again:) I AM SURE WE'LL HAVE A GREAT TIME WITH YOU IN HERE:)))) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anshnork Posted November 16, 2002 Report Share Posted November 16, 2002 In earlier postings, some people mentioned that Jesus had children. I have studied the Bible and Christianity (although not extremely extensively) and I have not yet heard of this theory. Do you have any proof of this theory? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph Posted November 16, 2002 Report Share Posted November 16, 2002 Anshnork , Hagarag have all the proove you need he was the one made that anounsment , I think Jesus talks to him the way he talks to all those TV Preachers , but Hgarag have one problem , he have no healing powers so far he could not HEALLLLLLLLLL even one Armenian , and he couldn't reach their walets eather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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