Armenian-Azerbaijan conflict?

[elchina]

How do you conceive resolution of Armenian-Azerbaijan conflict?

 

Can the Azerbaijani and Armenian peoples, having forgotten everything, re-establish the friendship?

 

Vote now!

[MJ]

Could the moderators move this thread to the Humor Section, please?

[sen_Vahan]

Elchin,

 

I would like to know Azeris' opinion. Can you please provide us with some information about that?

[Stormig]

Elchin and Co. were so Azimli that it took them months to transfer their site from one server to another.

[MJ]

The material below may be considered timely.

 

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KHOJALI TRAGEDY WAS ORGANIZED BY AZERI SIDE: Artsax'S MP

 

Arminfo

24 Feb 2003

 

FEBRUARY 24. All the facts available testify that the Khojali (Xocali)

tragedy was organized by the Azeri side for attaining certain goals in

the fight for power between the People's Front of Azerbaijan and the

then government of the country, led by Ayaz Mutalibov, chairman of the

Standing Commission on Foreign Issues of Artsax's Parliament Vahram

Atanessyan told ARMINFO's own correspondent in Stepanakert. He said

that not to be strangled by Baku the Artsax population simply had to

eliminate the fire positions in Khojali, where the enemy had quite big

human and technical resource, and to liberate the local airport. The

Artsax side had notified Baku of its intentions two months before

the operation and this fact has been repeatedly confirmed by President

Mutalibov and human rights activist Arif Yunus. The Artsax side told

the Baku, Khojali and Agdam authorities that it had opened a corridor

for evacuating civilians from the battle zone. "The Armenians had left

a corridor for our people," Mutalibov said himself in an interview

to Nezavisimaya Gazeta, Apr 21 1992. But the column of civilians was

shot down near Agdam, which was qualified by Mutalibov as an attempt

of the opposition to remove him from power by shifting the blame on

him. According to Atanessyan, the Azeri media were actively covering

"the exodus", and though only 1,000 people were left in Khojali by Feb

25, they were reporting casualties 2-3 times exceeding this figure. As

for the shots of numerous bodies, they were made 3 km of Agdam and

11 km of Khojali, that is on the territory controlled by the Azeri

troops, a territory to which the Artsax side could not simply have

access. The shots made by Chingiz Mustafayev picturing shocking scenes

were disseminated with Turkey's help worldwide. Mustafayev made the

video-recording during an exchange of Armenian and Azeri bodies. In

fact he made two films in two days. By the time of the second recording

some bodies were disfigured. And all this happened on the territory

fully controlled by the Azeris till the summer 1993. Obviously

doubting that the killings were made by Armenians, Mustafayev began

his own investigation, just to be killed himself near Agdam after

reporting to Moscow's DR-Press news agency on a possibility of the

Azeri side's complicity in the Khojali crime. Yet another evidence

that the Khojali crime was committed by the Azeri side, particularly,

by the Azeri aviation through the Ganca air corridor, is the diary

of the then head of the Khojali administration Elman Mamedov.-

[elchina]

...Recently, the recognition of Khojaly tragedy perpetrated by Armenians has come from a part of an Armenian journalist living in Beirut, Lebanon. Rovshan Novruzoglu, political analyst has conducted an investigation for studying the Khojaly tragedy. He says that the book recently published by “Ash-Sharg” (East) agency in Beirut has shed a light to those bloody events. The name of that book is “For the sake of Cross…”. The author is Daud Kheyriyan has devoted the pages 19-76 of that book to the Khojaly events.

 

Daud Kheyriyan, “For the sake of Cross…”, page 24:

 

“… Sometimes we happened to march on dead bodies. In order to cross a swamp near Dashbulag, we have paved a road composed of dead bodies. I refused to march on dead bodies. Then colonel Oganyan ordered me not to scare. It is one of military laws. I have pressed my one foot onto the breast of a wounded girl aged 9 or 10 years and marched…

 

My legs, my photo camera were in blood…”

 

Daud Kheyriyan, “For the sake of Cross…”, page 62 and 63:

 

“… the Armenian group “Gaflan” (dealing with burning of dead bodies) have collected 100 dead bodies of Turks (Azerbaijani) and burned them in a place located one kilometer from Khojaly to the West on March 2… I saw girl aged 10 and wounded in hands and in head lying in last truck. Her face was already of a blue color. But she was still alive despite of hunger, coldness and wounds. She had a little breath. I cannot forget her eyes striving with death… Suddenly a soldier called Tigranyan took that body and thrown it on other dead bodies… Then they have burned dead bodies. It seemed to me that someone was crying in fire between dead bodies… After all I could not go further. But I wanted to see Shusha… I returned. And they continued their battles for the sake of Cross….”

 

from www.khojaly.net site (Sahil Info Center)

[MJ]

Could some one verify is such person as "Daud Kheyriyan" really exists, if yes, that he has indeed written such book as "For the sake of the cross," or whatever, and then, to verify that it has more than 18 pages?

 

And if the answer of all that is "yes," I would like to know where has that book been published and by whom, and I would like to buy it.

[joseph parikian]

Azimly if you have a copy of that book please send a copy to the forum .

The name Daud Kheyriyan sounds more like an Iranian individual

About the book , was it printed in Arabic , and is it sold in azrabayjan .

I think it is propaganda .

[Arpa]

Dear Martin, we would be better off to ignore this thread. It is a blatant plan to suck us into a fracasse and ruffle our feathers. It is well orchestrated attempt to divert our attention and in the process make uis say things that we would otherwise not. It is another ploy, just like our friend Ali was doing some time ago. He would pretend to understand while in the meantime he would divert our attention and confuse our train of thought by arguing numbers and the definition of a genocide, whether 300,000 constituted a genocide or did it have to be over a million.

The Khojali incident was not only a reaction to such as the Sumgait Massacres, it was also a premeptive action, i.e. "offense is the best of defense". Armenians knew very well, and it was one of the worst kept secrets that had they not taken action Artsakh would suffer the same fate as Nakhijevan, only this time it would be much faster and bloodier. Baku did not make it a secret that they intended to cleanse Artsakh of the last vestiges of the Armenian. It was a case of do or die for the Armenian. "Do" they did, and "die"? It is a matter of you or me. Armenians had finally learned that if it were not "you" it would definitely be "me". They had alos learned that our Christian tenets of turning the other cheek and extending our necks did not put them to shame, it is a matter of culture and religious dogmas. Our understanding of Christian values is one of martyrdom and perhaps inheritance of eternal life while theirs' is-for every dead infidel there will be a reward of forty virgins in the hereafter. Perhaps we should adopt some of the tenets of their religion.

 

Khojali was not only the most urgent preemptive strike it was also an ingenious coup of psychological warfare. There may have been some atrocities but they were not atrocities for its sake but well thought out and planned strategy. It was a success just as planned, it was a reenactment of the folk song(Sixteen Tons) that goes; "If you see me come you'd bretter step aside, Lots of them didn't and lost of them died". Too bad that we did not know this song in 1915.

 

As to that book, Daud Kheyriyan http://www.khojaly.net/ it is a total lie and an invention. There is no publisher mentioned, no indication of where and how to buy, no ISBN number or anything. It is a hoax playing on the following

David Kherdian

 

http://www.aaycbook.com/pages/writing/davi...d_kherdian.html

 

First off Armenians cannot be named "Daud", that is the Arabic/Turkish/Azeri/Persian form od David. "Kheyriyan" seems to be composed to look and sound Armenian, it is not. It is a well known fact that many Persians , Indians and others do have surnames ending in -ian or -yan. "Kheyr" is an Arabic?turkish word, there are no Armenians named such, for all I know, if there in fact there is such a person he could very well be an Iranian Azeri. Some people can lie and be persuasive while others cannot even lie. The least they can do is give us a biography of this Daud and show us his progeny and ancestry. Until then my conclusion is that he is totally fabricated, and, why not even a Turk who is well trained in historical falsification. I would like to know the name of that school that specializes in the art, and who their teachers are. I have my suspicions, there can only be one people who have been practising the art for at least the past 4000 years.

 

This hoax may be a total fabrication albeit a welcome one. For once it is better to be the doer than the doee.

[MJ]

Dear Arpa,

 

I have no objections. As you might've noticed, my "early detection device" recommended sending it to the Humor section, however, there where parties interested in engaging in discussions.

 

If a discussion had to be held, then I thought we should do it in a proper context.

[Arpa]

By all means, let us have discussion but let us alos maintain our composure and not be drawn into long drawn arguments of quality v quantity. For once we have the upper hand and we are the begee rather than the beggar. Let it remain so. Just like Ali used to say, in fact I was the one that hinted to it by my "in kind" suggestion, he would come back and say things like "what is lost to the sword can only be regained by the sword". True! I hope we have learned this lesson once and for all. We have also learned that the Christian world has enough problems than offer us our lost lands on a silver platter. Our lost lands? They won't even consider the Kurd who have been continuously holding those lands within recent memory. We'll have to learn to be as cynical as the so called Christian world has been for many millennia.

Is "oil thicker than blood"???

[sen_Vahan]

Elchin,

 

As it is said in Russia "poka tebya ne zatoptali" , you had better keep going in the direction you started with. So, you are voting for peace? What bases? Any ideas? It will be a better discussion than bringing some bastardized authors' books(most likely propaganda rather than real facts) to this forum.

 

I am interested to know how succesfull you were trying to vote for peace among Azeris. Would you please share that information with us. This way maybe more productive than talking about the lost war. WAR but not a massacre or genocide, keep this in mind, please.

 

Vahan

[THOTH]

Speaking of Azeri propoganda (so poor I don't know whether to laugh or cry...)

 

http://www.alexsrv7.com/~Artsax/wmview.php?ArtID=37

 

The site is quite a hoot....and goes on and on and on...I never knew that his true name was Osamma B Ladinian....

[MosJan]

 

Bin Laden's contacts with armenians

• Armenian volunteers of the terrorist organizations – January 08, 2003 - 03:30

• United States should be secured from nuclear strikes – January 08, 2003 - 03:29

• Armenian wings of Bin Laden – January 08, 2003 - 03:28

• Hunting for Nuclear – January 08, 2003 - 03:27

• The Caspian in the eyes of terrorists – January 08, 2003 - 03:26

• Terrorists striving to acquire nuclear weapon – January 08, 2003 - 03:24

[MosJan]

http://www.alexsrv7.com/~Artsax/phototerror/albums/TERROR_MAPS/map7.gif

 

wow Thsi is teh best of his work

[MosJan]

back to the topik > Can the Azerbaijani and Armenian peoples, having forgotten everything, re-establish the friendship?<<

 

"having forgotten everything" - no sorry / most Armenian I know will never forget !!!

 

FRIENDS - I will say yes - we can be FRIENDS - we can - but it will take some time - long time - but first azeris and turks needs to understand that - Artsakh and Nakhidjevan are part of Armenia - and have always been Armenian.

 

Will we forgive ?? will it’s not up to me and you – you ask Boris and his wife to forgive – and forget haw he lost one of his children wan azeris dropped a Grad Missile in the back yard - you ask Marine to forgive and forget – wan she lost her hands in the same explosion.

 

Wan you or we get the forgiveness from Armenians of Artsax and Armenians from Sumgaitt , Gyanja, Baku,– then we will join them.

 

MOvses

[Varduhi]

Elchin.

ha-ha-ha-ha-ha, looooooool,

 

How can you forget about millions of people who were killed by KEXTOT TURKS?

[THOTH]

Varduhi -

 

Of course one can never forget. But your position is one of no hope. If all thought as you the world would be in perpetual war & termoil. The Chinese would be attacking Korea, the native Americans would be terrorising LA, Isreal would be undermining Germany...etc etc etc on for ever (heck the US would be sore at great Britain and vice versa...the South still awaiting revenge on the North...Hatfileds against MaCoys...etc etc) - so at some point....of course Turkey has not yet acknowledged etc - so the ball is in their court...still - with attitudes such as yours...whats the incentive anyway...etc

[Guest Fadi]

Hey Elchin, could it be that this Daud Kheyriyan “For the sake of Cross…” be one of the actual Hajy Kheyri scrips from Yusif Yulduz Azerbaijanfilm Studio filmography, and that finaly the Azeris propaganda bureau has modified the name Hajy Kheyri for "Daud Kheyriyan"

 

Is that what the Azeris propaganda could do at best ? Comming with Azerbaija movie production scrips quotations and modifying those names to sound like those of an Armenian ? Come on, I think they can do better than that. No ?

[Guest Fadi]

Oganian. LOL, "Ogan" is it not a Turkish well used name ?

[Arpa]

Domino be careful that may very well be Turkish sounding but based on the fact that there is no H in the Russian language, that is supposed to be Ohanian just like Gaydar is in fact Haydar(Aliyev). Ohanessian=Oganessian etc.

I am waiting for the day when Hayastan will be written as Gayastan.

When that happens what will the old Armenian adage "Ur hats hon gats" become? Will it be "Ur gats gon gats"?

[Guest Fadi]

I understand Arpa, but Ogan is as well used as a Turkish name. I just find it suspicious that after taking off the ian from both the names given, you end up first with a Persian or Azeris name, and for the later "Organ" that is as well a Turkish name, not only a name, it is even used as family name. Its on the name list. http://balder.prohosting.com/husso/Eglence/turkbn.htm

 

And apparently means God.

 

[ February 27, 2003, 06:47 PM: Message edited by: Domino ]

[gamavor]

My favorite one in the genre is : Gitler skazal Gimleru - Gimler tui Gui!

[Raffi the Illuminator]

If there is another full scale war, I will move to Hayastan and volunteer.