Democrats & Republicans=TRAITORS for violating the US Constitution

[Sovereign]

The U.S. Constitution states, in Article I, Section 10, that: "No state shall...emit bills of credit [this is AT BEST what US dollars are today, bills of credit backed by the so-called full faith and credit of the so-called U.S. of A.]; make any thing but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts".

 

What the U.S. dollar is today stands UNDEFINED except for a minuscule statement on the dollar bill that says "This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private". It doesn't say this note is legal tender for $1 in debt or $100 in debt (or in gold or even in seashells); it says for ALL debts only. So if tomorrow the U.S. Congress presented a $1 bill to the Chinese who hold about 2 trillions in U.S. obligations or debt, the Congress would not be reneging on the promise written on the dollar bill. Preposterous! But as I said above, the Congress is violating the very Constitution it is supposed to uphold; thus, for breaking the very laws that are the basis of American sovereignty, both Democrats and Republicans are traitors. They must be arrested and tried if the law of the land means anything.

Edited May 2, 2010 by Sovereign

[shaunt]

SOVEREIGN FOR CHIEF JUSTICE OF THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT!

[Sovereign]

SOVEREIGN FOR CHIEF JUSTICE OF THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT!

FYI, people like this guy think that corruption is OK and justice and truth are for clowns. Yeah, you know, this guy is just like YOU. He IS you. He won't be smiling when he loses that job for which he saddled himself with a $120,000 student loan because central bankers misled him and the rest of the people as to where real economic demand originates, where the jobs of the future are, by issuing fake money out of thin air and injecting it into artificial rigged markets like finance, banking and real estate. If you consider yourself a human being, don't deal with lawyers, bankers, Wall-Street types, and politicians if you can help it. Shun the filth. They're the source of most human misery on this planet. Now there's an area a non-violent form of genocide can be envisaged for the good of the human race?

Edited May 3, 2010 by Sovereign

[shaunt]

FYI, people like this guy think that corruption is OK and justice and truth are for clowns. Yeah, you know, this guy is just like YOU. He IS you. He won't be smiling when he loses that job for which he saddled himself with a $120,000 student loan because central bankers misled him and the rest of the people as to where real economic demand originates, where the jobs of the future are, by issuing fake money out of thin air and injecting it into artificial rigged markets like finance, banking and real estate. If you consider yourself a human being, don't deal with lawyers, bankers, Wall-Street types, and politicians if you can help it. Shun the filth. They're the source of most human misery on this planet. Now there's an area a non-violent form of genocide can be envisaged for the good of the human race?

 

For the record, I graduate from law school on the 16th and I have over $144,000 in debt. I have no job to lose, therefore I am a winner by default!

 

And if I don't care for these issues, it's because for the reason you stated - people are the source of misery. Not economic or political systems.

[Sovereign]

For the record, I graduate from law school on the 16th and I have over $144,000 in debt. I have no job to lose, therefore I am a winner by default!

 

And if I don't care for these issues, it's because for the reason you stated - people are the source of misery. Not economic or political systems.

You stated for the record that you're graduating from law school. Therefore you're a lawyer who doesn't care about the law! Since you're by your own admission not interested in upholding the law of the land (the US Constitution); and you don't care that it's been broken by successive governments since 1933 (when Roosevelt first broke the law by declaring illegal the ownership and use of gold as money); you obviously don't give two hoots about justice and right and wrong. Like another lawyer told me in an involuntary moment of candor, Justice is getting what you want, for you, isn't it my friend? In the world that you and your kind are creating, might makes right. And Turks can literally get away with (mass) murder. What a nice Armenian young man! You make me proud to be an Armenian once again! What an honor...

[hetanos]

You stated for the record that you're graduating from law school. Therefore you're a lawyer who doesn't care about the law! Since you're by your own admission not interested in upholding the law of the land (the US Constitution); and you don't care that it's been broken by successive governments since 1933 (when Roosevelt first broke the law by declaring illegal the ownership and use of gold as money); you obviously don't give two hoots about justice and right and wrong. Like another lawyer told me in an involuntary moment of candor, Justice is getting what you want, for you, isn't it my friend? In the world that you and your kind are creating, might makes right. And Turks can literally get away with (mass) murder. What a nice Armenian young man! You make me proud to be an Armenian once again! What an honor...

 

What constitution? The one that was written for slaveholders, where blacks were considered 3/5 of a person? Or the one that did not allow female vote till 20th century? You have to realize that in 1776 there were only 3 million farmers in this country, quite different when FDR had to deal with the depression and war efforts. Constitution is a leaving and breathing document and it is subject to change without nostalgic looks at good old times. Btw, You can blame Reagan and Bushies for exploding the deficit and national debt from 1980 till present day. No need to go back to FDR or Wilson.

[Sovereign]

What constitution? The one that was written for slaveholders, where blacks were considered 3/5 of a person? Or the one that did not allow female vote till 20th century? You have to realize that in 1776 there were only 3 million farmers in this country, quite different when FDR had to deal with the depression and war efforts. Constitution is a leaving and breathing document and it is subject to change without nostalgic looks at good old times. Btw, You can blame Reagan and Bushies for exploding the deficit and national debt from 1980 till present day. No need to go back to FDR or Wilson.

1)The Constitution was not changed as you're suggesting, so you're lying. Article I, Section 10 stands as it was originally. It was not changed to allow Americans to use something other than silver and gold as the basis of their monetary system. If America wants to change the Constitution, they can do it. But it wasn't done; therefore today's government consists of traitors because they have destroyed the United States' sovereignty; for the right to issue one's lawful money pertains to a nation's sovereignty at the most basic level. (Not only our present-day monetary system is illegal, but even the currency we use is not issued or managed by the Congress, as the Constitution stipulates, but by the Federal Reserve which is a private monopoly owned and controlled by the same private banking institutions that stole trillions from the American people via the recent financial debacles.) Any attempt at America's sovereignty by the government that's supposed to uphold and protect it, is treason.

2)You're saying that it's OK for legislators to break the very laws that they themselves pass! The consequence is total lack of accountability and the world we live in today where anything goes if you are from the ruling classes. WHAT AN INSANE IDEOLOGY FOR AN ARMENIAN whose sole recourse to remedy and justice is through law and reason. In the world you promote and condone, the Turk will torture rape and kill you with impunity. You are revolting.

3)This is not about deficits, my deluded friends. They can print all the currency they want and pay for trillions of trillions of deficits without breaking a sweat, as things stand. The deficits are a red herring for idiots. The real issue is this: In a system of unbacked paper currency, the bankers and their cronies can print as much money as they want and buy and pay for anything they want, whereas YOU have to work for that intrinsically-worthless money! Get it? In the world we live in today, we have basically two classes: the bankers and their retinue who are parasites for they consume without producing anything, and the rest of us whose real goods and services are denominated in and traded for worthless pieces of paper issued by the bankers! What the bankers care about is the ILLUSION that their money is really valuable; not the deficits or non-performing assets and what not. At any moment, someone can shout 'The emperor has no clothes' and all that money you've been saving for retirement could disappear like a whiff of smoke. The problem is, everybody's playing this stupid game, including the Chinese, the Muslims (their very religion prohibits paper money), the Europeans and the Russians of course. THE WORLD WE LIVE IN TODAY IS CONTINGENT ON DELUSION AND STUPIDITY. That's no foundation to rely on; it is at best the sword of Damocles on the edge of which we're dancing a suicidal dance like the Turks had our virgins dance before raping, torturing and impaling them on their swords.

Edited May 4, 2010 by Sovereign

[hetanos]

1)The Constitution was not changed as you're suggesting, so you're lying. Article I, Section 10 stands as it was originally. It was not changed to allow Americans to use something other than silver and gold as the basis of their monetary system. If America wants to change the Constitution, they can do it. But it wasn't done; therefore today's government consists of traitors because they have destroyed the United States' sovereignty; for the right to issue one's lawful money pertains to a nation's sovereignty at the most basic level. (Not only our present-day monetary system is illegal, but even the currency we use is not issued or managed by the Congress, as the Constitution stipulates, but by the Federal Reserve which is a private monopoly owned and controlled by the same private banking institutions that stole trillions from the American people via the recent financial debacles.) Any attempt at America's sovereignty by the government that's supposed to uphold and protect it, is treason.

2)You're saying that it's OK for legislators to break the very laws that they themselves pass! The consequence is total lack of accountability and the world we live in today where anything goes if you are from the ruling classes. WHAT AN INSANE IDEOLOGY FOR AN ARMENIAN whose sole recourse to remedy and justice is through law and reason. In the world you promote and condone, the Turk will torture rape and kill you with impunity. You are revolting.

3)This is not about deficits, my deluded friends. They can print all the currency they want and pay for trillions of trillions of deficits without breaking a sweat, as things stand. The deficits are a red herring for idiots. The real issue is this: In a system of unbacked paper currency, the bankers and their cronies can print as much money as they want and buy and pay for anything they want, whereas YOU have to work for that intrinsically-worthless money! Get it? In the world we live in today, we have basically two classes: the bankers and their retinue who are parasites for they consume without producing anything, and the rest of us whose real goods and services are denominated in and traded for worthless pieces of paper issued by the bankers! What the bankers care about is the ILLUSION that their money is really valuable; not the deficits or non-performing assets and what not. At any moment, someone can shout 'The emperor has no clothes' and all that money you've been saving for retirement could disappear like a whiff of smoke. The problem is, everybody's playing this stupid game, including the Chinese, the Muslims (their very religion prohibits paper money), the Europeans and the Russians of course. THE WORLD WE LIVE IN TODAY IS CONTINGENT ON DELUSION AND STUPIDITY. That's no foundation to rely on; it is at best the sword of Damocles on the edge of which we're dancing a suicidal dance like the Turks had our virgins dance before raping, torturing and impaling them on their swords.

 

 

I'm trying to see the connection between the gold standard and Turkish rape, but i can't find a logical explanation. Please do not be all over the map.

[Sovereign]

I'm trying to see the connection between the gold standard and Turkish rape, but i can't find a logical explanation. Please do not be all over the map.

That's a typical contemporary American and Turkish response. Attempt to discredit everything by feigned confusion about one thing. You'r no good.

[shaunt]

Sovereign, your qualms lie with individuals, it's as simple as that. Don't worry about the constitution, the gold standard, justice, truth, etc.

 

To quote Nietzsche, "Human, all too human."

 

Politics are an expression of society, and society that of it's members. If the members are degenerating, then this will be expressed in their political, economical, and cultural institutions and practices.

 

You're like a guy who keeps pushing when he should be pulling in order to open the door.

[Yervant1]

You're like a guy who keeps pushing when he should be pulling in order to open the door.

Not to mention the sliding doors.

[Sovereign]

Not to mention the sliding doors.

My dear Armenians, you've been "pulling" for 95 years with no significant results. Give it a good "shove" for a change and see what happens. Remember the definition of madness (by Einstein if I recall correctly): Keep doing the same thing while expecting that a different result will come out of it (I'm paraphrasing).

Assuming that the people and society at large are degenerate like you said Shaunt, we don't want want any of their tainted goods, we don't want them period. But we want them to stop aiding and abetting our eternal enemies the Turks. In other words, we don't want, nor should expect, help from degenerate scum. But if we rub their ugly degenerate faces in their hypocrisy hard enough and expose their criminality internationally, then we can use that as a bargaining chip to negotiate an eventual end to their alliance with the unabashedly evil Turk by making said alliance unpalatable for them. Anybody who expects true friendship from immoral greedy scum is a moron. What we can reasonably expect to achieve is to have them stop succoring the abominable Turks. And that we will not accomplish with bribing (Turks have stolen most of our money and property) nor sweet-talking wooden, soulless pieces of kaka mascarading as human beings. You all live in the good old US of A so you know what I'm talking about.

 

A SIGNIFICANT ACCOMPLISHMENT ON OUR PART WOULD BE TO MAKE THE U.S. ESTABLISHMENT (DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS) STOP GIVING BILLIONS IN MILITARY AID TO TURKEY, INCLUDING FIGHTER JETS, TANKS AND WARSHIPS, AND TO FORCE THEM TO ABSTAIN FROM SUPPORTING FINANCIALLY THE FILTHY TURK VIA THE INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND (IMF) AND THROUGH INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMACY. THIS THEY WILL NOT DO UNLESS WE MAKE THEM AN OFFER THEY CANNOT REFUSE. Wake up, there's nothing to lose! You want to wait another 95 years? That's what THEY want. For the Armenian Question will have disappeared by then. Do you want to die or do you want to live and maybe die fighting for your life?

Edited May 4, 2010 by Sovereign

[Yervant1]

Dear Sovereign,

 

I will try to be as candid as possible. From your first post and on, it was not your message but your delivery of it that got the responses mostly. You started with assumptions that we are all living in the US of A and that we are all self hating Armenians, we are all doing things that we do is for connections and profit, that we are all morons and old timers in a very demeaning way that we don't get things except you. I can go on and show more of this but I think what I said is enough. Even though what you are saying holds true for the certain segment of our society but you shouldn't generalize.

 

I do honestly feel for your feelings and thoughts and believe you me that in this forum you will find more members agreeing with you than oppose, but you are making things more simple as if there is black and white only and forgetting the big area which is grey. Please try to calm down and have your dialogue without hurling insults and name callings.

 

As for the points that you make in this post, I will tackle two of them. One is hypocrisy, as you pointed it out it works if it's done right i.e. the ADL case in Boston where they (ADL) lost a lot of credibility and support. The other one is Sibel Edmonds case which was 100% solid got no media time and got lost in the dustbin because certain group of people decided not to air it.

 

Unfortunately due to lack of world political clout and almost no big business leverage in order to excite the interests of other countries we have to do with what we can, sometimes yield results and sometimes not.

 

Once again thanks for your contribution to the discussion.

[Sovereign]

Dear Sovereign,

 

I will try to be as candid as possible. From your first post and on, it was not your message but your delivery of it that got the responses mostly. You started with assumptions that we are all living in the US of A and that we are all self hating Armenians, we are all doing things that we do is for connections and profit, that we are all morons and old timers in a very demeaning way that we don't get things except you. I can go on and show more of this but I think what I said is enough. Even though what you are saying holds true for the certain segment of our society but you shouldn't generalize.

 

I do honestly feel for your feelings and thoughts and believe you me that in this forum you will find more members agreeing with you than oppose, but you are making things more simple as if there is black and white only and forgetting the big area which is grey. Please try to calm down and have your dialogue without hurling insults and name callings.

 

As for the points that you make in this post, I will tackle two of them. One is hypocrisy, as you pointed it out it works if it's done right i.e. the ADL case in Boston where they (ADL) lost a lot of credibility and support. The other one is Sibel Edmonds case which was 100% solid got no media time and got lost in the dustbin because certain group of people decided not to air it.

 

Unfortunately due to lack of world political clout and almost no big business leverage in order to excite the interests of other countries we have to do with what we can, sometimes yield results and sometimes not.

 

Once again thanks for your contribution to the discussion.

Dear Yervant1,

I will call a spade a spade and we Armenians will make progress only if we all do so as well. These people ARE scum, Yervant1. They proclaim themselves champions of democracy, freedom and liberty; they say that they are a Christian nation and swear on the Bible when they take their oath of office, yet they are military and political allies with the Moslem Turks who raped, mutilated and impaled on their swords and other instruments of torture, our young virgins in our Christian churches which they converted to stables later if they couldn't destroy them. These people are our enemies; they will never be our friends because they are evil. No one condones and supports evil unless they are evil. Do not seek their help; neutralize the bastards, disable them by showcasing their corruption and taking away any moral authority they still possess. We must hurt them, not work with them. Why don't you understand that? Otherwise we're never going back to our lands and are condemned to rot in the degenerate West and go down with them as they are doing now, economically, politically and morally.

[Arpa]

Here is me the "idiot", contrary to my "religion" I am responding to your gibberish. You don’t understand do you? Ches haskanoum? No Capish? No lo contendere? That you are barking into a vacuum? How thick is your cerebral membrane/meningitis/ուղեղատապ?

Dear Sov, (does that stand for “soviet”?) how many brain cells does it take to understand that nobody here is taking you seriously, except for a few sarcastic remarks. Even our most diplomatically tactful Mod Yervant has been trying in vain to hammer some sense into your empty cranium. You have trashed every sacred institution of the West, including the American Armenian,US of A, Canada and beyond, some of the few countries that have provided a safe haven for us. America, north or south has been one of the most hospitable for us Armenians where many of us have prospered to the ranks of the Forbe’s top fifty. Why are so many Yerevanites are still trying to EMIGRATE to America? Can you stop the emigration from Gavar to Glendale?** Where do you live? Let me guess. The US of A? Who condemned you to live in these “stupid countries”? Why don’t you pull that magic abracadabra rabbit out of your empty hat and “tata/tara!!!” Move back to Zimbabwe or Zulustan where you came from?

If you can’t talk about Armenian/Hye issues/ culture/ history/ literature et al, you are at the wrong site. Find yourself another site. This is HYE-FORUM where we talk about Armenian issues, not “demVORcrats or rePUBICans. Yes we do when that “idiot” (not my word) McCain places his big “Vietnam sandal” in his mouth.

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=27036&pid=270822&st=0entry270822

**Do you know that "cali-fornia" means "hotfurnace/forno/furun/փուր"?

WHO INVITED YOU TO AMERICA????

Yervant, Mosjan and others have been very politely urging you to find other ways to address the issues.

PS. Do you know who Shahan Arardian is? Search and find.

See here when our most lovingly benevolent captain Mosjan told him where go #32.

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=16755&pid=212064&st=20entry212064

Please don't test their patience. They hold the keys to lock the door on you.

Edited May 4, 2010 by Arpa

[Zartonk]

The country welcomed me from the hellhole that I called home (Iran). That's all I have to say about this.

[Sip]

I agree with Sovereign. Please all of you kindly send me all your dollars so I can safely dispose of them .

[Yervant1]

Dear Yervant1,

I will call a spade a spade and we Armenians will make progress only if we all do so as well. These people ARE scum, Yervant1. They proclaim themselves champions of democracy, freedom and liberty; they say that they are a Christian nation and swear on the Bible when they take their oath of office, yet they are military and political allies with the Moslem Turks who raped, mutilated and impaled on their swords and other instruments of torture, our young virgins in our Christian churches which they converted to stables later if they couldn't destroy them. These people are our enemies; they will never be our friends because they are evil. No one condones and supports evil unless they are evil. Do not seek their help; neutralize the bastards, disable them by showcasing their corruption and taking away any moral authority they still possess. We must hurt them, not work with them. Why don't you understand that? Otherwise we're never going back to our lands and are condemned to rot in the degenerate West and go down with them as they are doing now, economically, politically and morally.

OK I will call a spade a spade as well, I do get it that the politicians are scum and political whores, I do get it that the Turks raped our women took our lands and killed our people, I do get it that the West is a friend of Turkey although I tend to believe that they are the fiends of their own interests, I do get that you want us to neutralize them and pale them at the nearest pole, but do you need to reapet the same thing in every post? WE DO GET IT. How do you go about showcasing their corruption and their hypocrisy? How many major media outlets do we have under our control which is big enough to reach the masses? What is your source for achieving all of that? The whole world knows that the politicians don't work by morality, that's only for show and tell but when it comes to the real thing it's interests and interests only that counts so don't be naive into thinking that you can shame these people because they know themselves that they have no shame. By calling a blind person blind will get you nothing.

 

I believe that the best way to get results is to play within the system itself. We need to prepare our own politicians starting at an early age and place them inside the parties and go for high elected offices when they get older with their dues paid in full by their service and work it to our advantage.

[MosJan]

apsos or es mard@ esqan energy & jamanak unenalov vatnuma datark baneri vra...

[Sovereign]

OK I will call a spade a spade as well, I do get it that the politicians are scum and political whores, I do get it that the Turks raped our women took our lands and killed our people, I do get it that the West is a friend of Turkey although I tend to believe that they are the fiends of their own interests, I do get that you want us to neutralize them and pale them at the nearest pole, but do you need to reapet the same thing in every post? WE DO GET IT. How do you go about showcasing their corruption and their hypocrisy? How many major media outlets do we have under our control which is big enough to reach the masses? What is your source for achieving all of that? The whole world knows that the politicians don't work by morality, that's only for show and tell but when it comes to the real thing it's interests and interests only that counts so don't be naive into thinking that you can shame these people because they know themselves that they have no shame. By calling a blind person blind will get you nothing.

 

I believe that the best way to get results is to play within the system itself. We need to prepare our own politicians starting at an early age and place them inside the parties and go for high elected offices when they get older with their dues paid in full by their service and work it to our advantage.

Here's a good start. 1)Use a fraction of the monies that we give to American politicians (Democrats and Republicans) and place a half a page ad a couple of times a week in major American newspapers like the New York Times and Wall Street Journal repeating the gist of what I said in my posts here minus the words that would be censored by mainstream media. No holds barred, call a spade a spade. PUBLICLY HOLD AMERICA AND AMERICANS RESPONSIBLE FOR BEING ALLIES OF THE TURKS for the U.S. is a democracy and its politicians and its government represent the will of the people. 2)Withdraw ALL support from, and cease collaborating with, establishment politicians and make them understand that they have proven themselves to be the Turks' friend and thereby our enemies. Weaken the bastards instead of succoring them. They'll get no money from us and the Turks will pay them less as well, knowing there's no competition.

The American people are about to turn against the American ruling classes because they screwed them royally with the bailouts of the bankers accompanied by home foreclosures inflicted on the American middle-classes along with job losses caused by the jobs that were exported to China by the aforementioned scum bags. TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE TIDAL WAVE OF DISCONTENT THAT IS ABOUT TO HIT AMERICA and be in its vanguard, take advantage of its energy instead of trying to ingratiate yourselves to the evil dogs in hopes that they'll throw you a bone. It's simple to do, I'd do it if I were a rich man. But I've yet to meet an Armenian of means who's more interested in the Armenian cause than in business relations with the American and even the Turkish establishments. You have enough money to do anything you want; yet you are so disgustingly abhorrent that you conduct policies that compel our young women to go prostitute themselves in the brothels of Istanbul to be used and abused by the Turks voluntarily. Shame on all of us!

As for your suggestion above, let me remind you that he who screws nuns later joins the church. You're not being honest with yourself and you know it.

Edited May 4, 2010 by Sovereign

[Yervant1]

Here's a good start. 1)Use a fraction of the monies that we give to American politicians (Democrats and Republicans) and place a half a page ad a couple of times a week in major American newspapers like the New York Times and Wall Street Journal repeating the gist of what I said in my posts here minus the words that would be censored by mainstream media.

So far this is the only workable and logical solution that you gave us as an option.

As for your suggestion above, let me remind you that he who screws nuns later joins the church. You're not being honest with yourself and you know it.

That's exactly the point to work from within, I thought I made this very clear. I have never been this honest, I'm surprised that you did not see it, here is what I said "I believe that the best way to get results is to play within the system itself" in your words from within the church. It seems you are only reading your own posts just like looking into the mirror and liking what you see.

As for the rest of your post, just more of the same unrealistic, unworkable and unattainable things like your other posts.

Edited May 5, 2010 by Yervant1

[Sovereign]

So far this is the only workable and logical solution that you gave us as an option.

 

That's exactly the point to work from within, I thought I made this very clear. I have never been this honest, I'm surprised that you did not see it, here is what I said "I believe that the best way to get results is to play within the system itself" in your words from within the church. It seems you are only reading your own posts just like looking into the mirror and liking what you see.

As for the rest of your post, just more of the same unrealistic, unworkable and unattainable things like your other posts.

Isn't it clear that the "church" or the system you want to work from within is against us? We've been doing it for 95 years and we're standing still. That's the problem or dilemma that Armenians have. This is very important so don't forget. Armenians are an extremely conformist and mediocre lot. They hate making waves, always dying to be part and parcel of the mainstream. The problem is, the mainstream or the System, is AGAINST us and our interests. The System has nothing but contempt for truth and justice which is what we need to promote if we want to right the wrong that's been done to us. We have no other choice; not unlike Nietzsche's famous Jews, our only tools to achieve justice is reason and truth for we don't have tanks and guns or enough money and power that'll do the job. The System will assimilate you; it will not help you as your own experience has proven to you. How many American presidents lied to us promising they'll recognize the genocide then turned around after the election was over and spat on our faces for the world to see? Enough is enough. Stop being so spineless. If you want to live, Armenian, you will have to fight well and with the right tools the bastards who are pinning you down.

[Yervant1]

I give up, I'm tired good luck to you!

[Sip]

Sovereign, you simply can't ignore the fact that US relations with Turkey (or any other country) cannot be simply based on morality. In the real world, things are faaaaar more complicated. The simple truth is the US and Israel both heavily need Turkey on their good side in the region. If US pisses of Turkey and pushes it into the same realm as the rest of the US/Israel-hating countries of the region, you will get a very volatile situation become even more volatile.

 

I am not a fan of US ignoring the Armenian Genocide issue but I do understand why they are taking the position they are taking. What matters more now is good relations with Turkey ... a very powerful and geologically crucial piece of the global game. You can take as many ads in a paper as you want but what it comes down to is what is for the good of the many at this point in time (and not just the handful of Armenians in the world).

[Sovereign]

Sovereign, you simply can't ignore the fact that US relations with Turkey (or any other country) cannot be simply based on morality. In the real world, things are faaaaar more complicated. The simple truth is the US and Israel both heavily need Turkey on their good side in the region. If US pisses of Turkey and pushes it into the same realm as the rest of the US/Israel-hating countries of the region, you will get a very volatile situation become even more volatile.

 

I am not a fan of US ignoring the Armenian Genocide issue but I do understand why they are taking the position they are taking. What matters more now is good relations with Turkey ... a very powerful and geologically crucial piece of the global game. You can take as many ads in a paper as you want but what it comes down to is what is for the good of the many at this point in time (and not just the handful of Armenians in the world).

Nor can US relations with Armenians simply be based on morality; that's why Armenians must shout as loudly as they can that the emperor has no clothes in order to diminish the international standing of the the United States (as is largely deserved) so as to motivate the American ruling classes to change their tune regarding the genocide, Armenians and Turkey. When did I ever say I expect filth to become lovers of truth and justice overnight? My game plan is a very pragmatic one and I don't care anymore what they think or feel at this point as they've proven themselves conclusively less than human beings. Armenians must use the only real weapon we have. In our case it's the truth that the so-called Christian America is in bed with the Moslem Turks that committed the cruelest genocide against the first Christian nation of the world. I repeated this to you guys at least ten times. If Armenians repeat this same sentence ten times in the international public arena, the international standing of America will diminish, no doubt about it. That's what we must strive for; a politically tarnished America will have less meddling power and less of a need for allies like the Turks, for its capacity to commit mischief in that part of the world will be constrained. If you know that no one's going to want to be on your team because you look like s--t in the eyes of the world, then you'll be less inclined to look for a fight. It's like killing two birds with one stone: No more horrible useless wars where millions of civilians are murdered by American mercenaries because American bankers and corporations want their oil or other natural resources, or simply enjoy killing human beings for the sake of justifying the existence and funding of their military-industrial complex; and no free ride for the abominable Turks to boot.

I know that you understand what I'm saying, like the rest of them. Why do you pretend otherwise? Why do you rationalize the deviant ways of the West? Why do you defend the indefensible American foreign policy regarding Armenians, the genocide and Turkey? Life is not just writing computer programs to make money to buy a house with a wife in it. Why is there no passion in any of you for what it means to be a human being?

Edited May 5, 2010 by Sovereign