Our Men in the White House?

[Arpa]

The iron is hot. Now's the tim to hit it.

It is official.

Obama- Biden ticket.

Here is what I wrote a couple of days ago in the thread below.

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Aug 20 2008, 07:23 PM

Obama- Biden???

Our “friends” in Ankara must be soiling in their vartiqs.

We hear that Sen. Obama will announce his running mate on Sunday. In the meantime the noise is that it will be Sen. Biden of Delaware

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http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=17557

 

Please google using “Biden Armenian” as your keywords and see his record in the Armenian affairs, be it the AG, ambassador etc. There will be hundreds of hits including even from the furkish press.

What is ironic is that Sen. Biden is the Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, while all the oppositions to Armenian issues has always come from the Foreign Department known as the State Department in the US.

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Among the many google hits here is one that says a lot.

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Acknowledge the Armenian Genocide of the early 1900s.

Biden co-sponsored acknowledging the Armenian Genocide of the early 1900s

WHEREAS the Armenian Genocide was conceived and carried out by the Ottoman Empire from 1915 to 1923, resulting in the deportation of nearly 2,000,000 Armenians, of whom 1,500,000 men, women, and children were killed, and which succeeded in the elimination of more than 2,500-year presence of Armenians in their historic homeland;

WHEREAS, on May 24, 1915, the Allied Powers issued the joint statement of England, France, and Russia that explicitly charged, for the first time ever, another government of committing "a crime against humanity";

WHEREAS, despite the international recognition of the Armenian Genocide, the failure of the domestic and international authorities to punish those responsible for the Armenian Genocide is a reason why similar genocides have recurred and may recur in the future, and that a just resolution will help prevent future genocides:

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Senate calls on the President, in the President's annual message commemorating the Armenian Genocide, to accurately characterize the systematic annihilation of 1,500,000 Armenians as genocide and to recall the proud history of US intervention in opposition to the Armenian Genocide.

Sen. DURBIN: The definition of "genocide" is "the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group." Scholars agree that what the Armenian people suffered in 1915 to 1917 fits the definition of genocide. To date, 19 countries and 37 US states recognize the Armenian Genocide. Genocide is wrong. It is evil. It is evil whether its victims are Armenians, Sudanese, Rwandan Tutsis, Cambodians or European Jews. Not to acknowledge genocide for what it is denigrates the memory of its victims. Recognition of genocide is part of the healing process. Official recognition will reaffirm our tradition of protecting the vulnerable and inspire us to not stand by and watch as genocide occurs in our time.

Source: Armenian Genocide Resolution (S.RES.106/H.RES.106) 2007-SR106 on Mar 14, 2007

Edited August 23, 2008 by Arpa

[Arpa]

I was a little leery and reluctant whether to air the below from thel furkish daily.

Do note how they are concerned, even if they still repeat that garbage about "joint historical commission", "'archive/markhayv" .

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In statement, US official 'holds Ottomans responsible' for crimes against Armenians

Saturday, August 2, 2008 ÜMİT ENGİNSOY

WASHINGTON - Turkish Daily News

 

In new correspondence with the U.S. Congress on World War I-era killings of Armenians in the Ottoman empire, U.S. President George W. Bush's administration has continued to avoid using the word "genocide," but also says it holds Ottoman officials responsible for crimes against Armenians.

 

"The administration recognizes that mass killings, ethnic cleansing, and forced deportations of over one and a half million Armenians were conducted by the Ottoman Empire. We indeed hold Ottoman officials responsible for those crimes," Matthew Reynolds, Acting Assistant Secretary of State for legislative affairs said in a letter to Democratic Sen. Joseph Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

The letter reached Biden hours before the committee voted Tuesday to support Marie Yovanovitch, Bush's nominee for ambassador to Armenia.

Reynolds was responding to questions by Biden and Democratic Sen. Robert Menendez on Yovanovitch's views on the Turkish-Armenian relationship.

The letter was first posted on the web site of the Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA), the largest U.S. Armenian group.

 

In response to a question by Biden about a plan to invite Turkish and Armenian archivists to the United States for professional training, Reynolds said that Washington's aim was "to help archivists protect the evidence of the past so that future generations will have the documentation of the mass killings and deportations of Armenians committed by Ottoman soldiers and other Ottoman officials in 1915."

"Our goal is not to open a debate on whether the Ottomans committed these horrendous acts; it is to help preserve the documentation that supports the truth of those events," Reynolds said.

Setback for Turkey:

Turkish sources admitted that they saw these two new points raised by Reynolds as a setback for Ankara.

"Particularly the point that the Americans see World War I-era events as fully documented realities is disturbing, and makes Washington's stated support for our proposal for the creation of a joint Armenian-Turkish history commission to probe the events totally irrelevant," said one source. "If the events are fully known, there is no need for an investigation, the letter says, which is in contradiction with the official U.S. policy."

 

Commenting on developments, Aram Hamparian, ANCA executive director said, "The State Department letter, although clearly falling short of America's moral responsibility and national interest in recognizing and condemning the Armenian genocide, did mark a step in the direction of distancing U.S. policy from the dictates of the Turkish government.” Analysts said that the points raised by Reynolds represented concessions by the administration to pro-Armenian senators to persuade them not to block Yovanovitch's nomination.

 

Washington has had no full-time ambassador in Yerevan since May 2006 and attaches great importance to sending Yovanovitch there at a time of increasing Russian influence in the region and a worsening conflict over the development of nuclear arms with Iran, they said.

Yovanovitch was expected to be confirmed in a Senate floor meeting before this weekend.

In May 2006 Bush fired John Evans, the last ambassador, who had vocally described the Armenian killings as genocide, in violation of Washington's official policy. He then nominated career diplomat Richard Hoagland for the post, but Menendez blocked the nomination for failing to qualify the Armenian killings as genocide. Bush then proposed Yovanovitch, who also has declined to use the word ‘genocide.'

 

 

 

[Arpa]

OK!

Have I used enough provocative language?

Let’s see how Big the Barack's and Biden’s Balls are.

Let’s see how the ANC, the AAA, Aramac and Armenpac will convince them that an over million Armenian votes may make or break their “running shoes/koshiks”.

We, some of us backed Billy C. the BS-er from Bolis. At another time we, some of us backed the a-bush from ankara, who may still have to learn that "georgia" is not a US State on the Atlantic Ocean .

Now, let’s see how Sen. Biden, an expert in Foreign Policy views that BS from ankara about that “stinky staunch ally”. And see if he knows the cliché about “the tail wagging the dog”.

Yes, I mean the “dog”.

Those SOBs who think that Washington DC is a suburb of Ankara.!!!

The sad part. Some of our “fearless leaders” who may not even know where “georgia” is, may actually believe that Washington DC is in fact on the DC-Dardanelle Channel.

Edited August 23, 2008 by Arpa

[phantom22]

In the 2004 Presidential election, I found newspaper articles of Armenian-Americans praising George Bush. 2008 is a "no-brainer." Will any self-respecting Armenian-American support John McCain? There has never been a clearer choice on Armenian issues.

[Arpa]

Whether Obma-Biden do actually get in the Whitehouse is academic.

Yet, the tremor is being felt in ankara.

Here is what one editorial says (partialy)

Spread the word!" the message ended.

Obama’s choice may not be a good news for Turkey. Biden, the 65-year-old chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, is known with his anti-Turkish attitude in the controversial issues such as so-called “Armenian genocide” claims and territorial conflicts with Greece.

 

Still observers say it could be an advantage for Turkey to work with a name like Biden who knows the country very well and had established ties. Biden also is a supporter of the idea that Iraq should be divided into three under a loose federation.

Huh! What does Iraqi "federation have to do with furkey??

You mean an "federated/independent" Kurdistan is good for them? They really are losing their marbles.

 

 

 

 

[Arpa]

turkey in a straw.

Please click on other entries. Maybe it should be labeled as turkey in chicken doodoo.

Yeah, yeah! We know! Cold turkey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLtneoqZ2dA

And, here are hamid and hamideh flapping their wings doing the chicken dance;

Obama's VP pick cold to Turkey

Monday, August 25, 2008

ÜMİT ENGİNSOY

WASHINGTON - Turkish Daily News

Sen. Joe Biden, Democratic presidential contender Sen. Barack Obama's choice for vice presidency, is a foreign policy guru, but during his 35 years in the U.S. Senate he has almost constantly voted for or joined initiatives against Turkey's interests.

But still some analysts suggest that his vast knowledge of Turkey might be an advantage if Ankara is to deal with an Obama administration that may come to power in the wake of the United States' Nov. 4 presidential election.

Obama, who will compete against Republican candidate Sen. John McCain, announced Saturday that he had picked Delaware Sen. Biden, chairman of the powerful Senate Foreign Relations Committee, as his running mate.

Like Obama, Biden is a staunch supporter of the Armenian cause. The two men both back last year's draft resolution in the Senate calling for the United States' official recognition of World War I-era killings of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire as "genocide". The resolution will probably go nowhere during this session of Congress, but analysts expect a strong effort on this matter from pro-Armenian politicians next year. Obama himself pledged to label the killings as genocide if elected president.

Biden, 65, was close to and influenced by former Democratic Sen. Paul Sarbanes, who is of ethnic Greek origin, and has adopted an anti-Turkish position on several disputes with Greece and Greek Cypriots.

Consistent record

Over the past 15 years, Biden has also worked against a number of planned U.S. arms transfers to Turkey on grounds of alleged human rights violations and other reasons.

In the latest such case in 2003, he opposed the use of a U.S. Ex-Im Bank loan for the purchase of naval helicopters. Eventually the matter was resolved, but Turkey, when signing a 2005 contract for the U.S. Sikorsky Aircraft for 17 S-70B Seahawk helicopters, opted not to use the loan.

When the United States was in deep trouble in Iraq two years ago, Biden came up with a proposal to divide the war-torn country into three parts along ethnic and sectarian lines under a very loose confederation. Turkey is strongly opposed to the division of Iraq, and the idea was later shelved when ensuing U.S. policies helped improve the situation in Iraq.

"It's a fact that Biden has a consistent record against Turkey in Congress. But it's also a fact that he knows Turkey and Turkey's leaders quite well," said one analyst here. "As a result I think it's better to deal with someone with a deep knowledge of Turkey than another person who is ignorant about Turkey."

During a stopover in Turkey following a visit to Afghanistan in February, Biden and fellow Democratic Sen. John Kerry and retiring Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel met with President Abdullah Gül and Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. In the latest meeting, Biden and several of his committee members met with visiting Foreign Minister Ali Babacan here in June.

Edited August 25, 2008 by Arpa

[Arpa]

Senator O’Bamya-ian , better be careful in his choice of words. In one of his speeches he invokes the words of JFK, Pres. Kennedy, of how we will “put a man on the moon in less than 10 years”. A certain Lee Harvey Oswald, who had lived in Moscow, saw to it that Pres. Kennedy never live to see that day.

When Sen. Obama quotes JFK, and recites “ we will be' Middle East' energy independent in less than years”. We hope that the new incarnations of Lee Harvey, ie. Saudi and other zibili Ali Harwany’s are not plotting to have him NOT SEE that day either.

 

[Arpa]

If Senator McCain expects us to choose him as the President of the US, simply based on the fact that he was a POW in a war 10 thousand miles away, where the US had no business in the first place. Then let me nominate Vardan Mamikonean as President of the US, as he also sacrificed his life 10 thousand miles away from Washington, DC.

Can we forget VietNamese and speak American?

Don’t get me wrong. I Have always sided with the Republicans, with the likes of Eisenhower, Nixon and Reagan.

But McCain?

STOP KIDDING!!!

We have comedians whose jokes make better sense.

What the H does being a POW in Viet Nam have to do with a President in America?

What the H did he have in Viet Nam in the first place?

Remember that Sen. Kerry of Mass, was defeated, and his “patriotism”** was questioned simply based on his record of criticism of the Viet Nam war.

**Patriotism? Is Saigon//Ho Chi Min our Capital City? Maybe Kabul or Baghdad? How about Harare, Zimbabwe or Baku/Ankara?

My choice of US president?

What,? Me worry Kid …?

Alfred E Newman, Who, in the least knows how to spell his own name. Not NMN, as in NKLR.

Is the US presidency an offshoot of “comedy central”? When that “comedian” from Crawford TX Says that the Georgians were the “first Christians”

Here is my choice;

http://blog.kir.com/archives/images/alfred_e_neuman.jpg

Compare and see how he looks any different from Alfred E;

http://www.freakingnews.com/John-McCain-Pictures--1357.asp

Edited August 26, 2008 by Arpa

[Arpa]

Not so good news?

Of all the other considerations, she may be the worst for us, the fact that she and her husband have visited furkey on numerous occasions.

If, Aramazt mi arastse, she does get the job, I bet her first trip will be to ankara.

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MSNBC.com

 

Sen. Clinton eyed as secretary of state?

Others mentioned for job include Hagel, Kerry, Richardson and Daschle

NBC News and news services

updated 9:42 a.m. ET, Fri., Nov. 14, 2008

CHICAGO - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is among the candidates that President-elect Barack Obama is considering for secretary of state, two Obama advisors told NBC News.

 

Friday a Democratic official said the two former presidential rivals met Thursday afternoon in Obama's downtown office. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to release the information.

 

Clinton, the former first lady who pushed Obama hard for the Democratic presidential nomination, was rumored to be a contender for the job last week, but the talk died down as party activists questioned whether she was best-suited to be the nation's top diplomat in an Obama administration.

 

The talk resumed in Washington and elsewhere Thursday, a day after Obama named several former aides to President Bill Clinton to help run his transition effort.

 

Clinton's office told NBC News Thursday that any decisions about the presidential transition are up to Obama and his team.

 

Clinton was in Chicago on Thursday but an advisor told NBC that the visit was for personal business.

 

Clinton, who receives Secret Service protection as a former first lady, was seen leaving the office complex in a motorcade shortly before Obama left for the day.

 

Obama has surrounded himself with several former staffers of Bill Clinton's presidency. Some of them are pushing Hillary Clinton as secretary of state. Other senators, including Democrat John Kerry of Massachusetts and Republican Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, also are thought to be under consideration.

 

 

NBC News' Andrea Mitchell and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27713965/

Edited November 14, 2008 by Arpa

[Yervant1]

Not so good news?

Of all the other considerations, she may be the worst for us, the fact that she and her husband have visited furkey on numerous occasions.

If, Aramazt mi arastse, she does get the job, I bet her first trip will be to ankara.

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I just heard on the radio, that New York times is reporting that Hillary Clinton has accepted the position of Secratary of State.

[Arpa]

When I began this thread of "Our Men in the White House", I omitted a subtirle of "Our Women..."

Of late there have been many articles in the furkish media celebrating Ms. Hillary's ascenscion to the throne of the Secretary of State, mentioning that she had visited furkey during her campaign, just as her husband had done during his days at the White House. With "friends" like Hillary, who needs more enemies?Is Barack showing that his "bite" may not be as sharp as his "bar(a)k".

Here is the latest.

Domestic

Turkey pleased with cabinet

by Ümit Enginsoy

WASHINGTON - As U.S. president-elect Barack Obama readied to announce his former campaign rival Hillary Clinton as choice for secretary of state, the reaction of Turkish officials was largely positive.

The reported choice of top diplomat, as well as others in defense and national security, whom officials see as experienced and centrist figures with a positive understanding of Turkey.

The announcement on Clinton is due to come at a news conference in Chicago, said officials on Obama's transition team. The incoming president has also asked Robert Gates, the current defense secretary, to keep his job for at least another year, sources close to the president-elect said earlier. For the important post of the national security advisor, the official closest to the president, Obama has chosen retired Gen. James Jones, a former top NATO commander, according to U.S. media. "We have very good relations with these three figures. We believe Obama is forming a very good national security cabinet," said one Turkish official privately.

One Turkish concern over the future of the U.S.-Turkish relationship is Obama's pledge during the primaries he would recognize the World War I-era killings of Armenians by the Ottoman Empire as genocide if elected president.

Obama more sincere

Like Obama, Clinton also made a similar promise during the primaries to recognize the Armenian killings as genocide. But although Sen. Clinton also sponsored a genocide resolution in the present Senate, some Armenian groups said she objected to another similar legislation in the House of Representatives in October 2007. As a result, most Armenians found Obama more sincere on Armenian-related matters and the Armenian National Committee of America, the largest U.S. Armenian group, decided to back him against Clinton in the primaries.

Turkey also had good relations with the United States during the term of former President Bill Clinton, Hillary's husband.

A U.S. move to provide the Turkish military with intelligence against the Kurdistan Workers' Party terrorists in northern Iraq took effect in late 2007 under the supervision of Gates and Turkish officials were pleased he would most likely retain his job.

Gates in late 2006 replaced the unpopular Donald Rumsfeld, who until the end of his tenure remained consistently angry with Turkey over Ankara's refusal to help the Iraq invasion by U.S.-led forces in 2003.

Amid the Iraq dispute in 2003 and 2004, the Turkish military was in a serious friction with the U.S. Central Command responsible for Iraq, and it was Jones, as the top NATO commander, who worked as a kind of mediator to restore the estranged relationship with Ankara. "Jones did a very good job to improve the military-to-military ties," said one analyst here. "From Turkey's viewpoint, Clinton, Gates and Jones are probably the best trio of picks by Obama for his national security team," said the analyst.

1 Aralık 2008

Note. I didn't know that the furkish word for December was "aralik", literally "in between". How much more artificial !!!??

Edited December 1, 2008 by Arpa

[Arpa]

The road to Washington begins in ankara?

Do any of them know where Yerevan is?

Look what I said in the above, way back when.

Not so good news?

Of all the other considerations, she may be the worst for us, the fact that she and her husband have visited furkey on numerous occasions.

If, Aramazt mi arastse, she does get the job, I bet her first trip will be to ankara.

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And now we see, not only Hillary’s first trip is Ankara, but so is Barask’s. Is Barack's middle name Lousavorich?

Panorama.am 13:18 07/03/2009 HILLARY CLINTON ARRIVED IN ANKARA The U.S. State Secretary Hillary Clinton arrived in Turkey today. The mission of the visit is to strengthen the relations with Turkey. Clinton arrived in Ankara after her negotiations with Foreign Minister of Russia Sergey Lavrov in Geneva. The U.S. State Secretary mentioned that the relations between USA and Russia need to be more reliable and foreseeable. Source: Panorama.am

ANKARA, Turkey (CNN) -- President Obama plans to visit Turkey in about a month, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Saturday.

Clinton was holding talks in Ankara with officials "to emphasize

the work the United States and Turkey must do together on behalf of

peace, prosperity and progress," she said. Obama had said he was

going to deliver a speech in a Muslim capital within the first hundred

days of his presidency. Clinton did not say that Obama would be making

such a speech during this visit. A senior Obama administration

official confirmed that Turkey will be the president's first visit to a

Muslim nation since taking office, but did not provide dates for the

president's upcoming visit to Turkey. This official did say the visit

would be "an important opportunity to visit a NATO ally and discuss shared

challenges."

The official added that "it will also provide an opportunity to

continue the president's dialogue with the Muslim world, a dialogue he

started immediately and intends to maintain throughout his presidency."

The State Department on Saturday issued a joint statement from Clinton

and Turkish Foreign Minister Ali Babacan reaffirming the close

U.S.-Turkish relationship. Both countries pledged to pursue an

Arab-Israeli peace settlement, peace in the southern Caucasus region,

normalization of Turkish-Armenian relations and a settlement of the

Cyprus question -- a dispute between Greek and Turkish Cypriots over

territory. They vowed to enhance the fight against terror groups

such as al Qaeda and the Kurdistan Workers' Party and work to expand

the natural gas and oil infrastructure to help Caspian basin and Iraqi

energy producers reach European and world markets. Turkey is a

secular country and predominantly Muslim. It is a NATO member and has

been a longtime ally of the United States. It is one of the few Muslim

countries to have full diplomatic relations with Israel and has long

been the Jewish state's closest military and economic partner in the

region.

 

 

 

 

 

[Arpa]

Edited March 8, 2009 by Arpa

[Arpa]

Tomorrow Pres. Obama will be in furkey.

One wonders what the menu at the banquet will be.

Such " ärmenian" delicacies like kokma, kakma, kakstrma, izmir kebab, chavirma/donme kebab or imam bayildi? Not to forgët "chi kofteh". Or, the ten ton garlic laden "KHASH"?

And when, Aramazt mi arastseh, he visits Yerevan. What will be the menu be? kokma, kakma, kakstrma and chi kufteh? Or, the ten ton garlic laden "KHASH""?

Edited April 4, 2009 by Arpa

[Nané]

So - what did you guys think of Obama's speech in Turkey?

[MosJan]

MAJORITY OF ARMENIANS THINK OBAMA WILL RECOGNIZE GENOCIDE

• Asked whether U.S. President Barack Obama will recognize the Armenian Genocide this April, over 1611 people from 72 countries responded "Absolutely yes" (45%), "Probably yes" (31%), "Probably no" (17%) and "Absolutely no” (7%), Inhomage.com editor Jean Eckian told PanARMENIAN.Net. “The results of the survey unambiguously show that the Armenians are optimistic people. On the other hand, we will soon know whether we are still naive about American political strategies. But perhaps ethics, morality, and justice might triumph after all. We shall know very soon,” Mr. Eckian said.

[MosJan]

TURKISH INTELLIGENCE FOIL ATTEMPT ON OBAMA'S LIFE

• Turkish intelligence foiled attempt on U.S. President Barack Obama's life. Syrian citizen, who confessed he was going to throw a knife at Obama, was arrested in Istanbul last Friday. No official confirmation has come yet, Haber-turk reported. Upon arrival in Turkey, U.S. President will be guarded by 9000 intelligence and police officers.

[vava]

Reading the last few posts - I keep asking myself, does anyone actually believe (I mean really believe, not just hopefulness) that the official US policy on AG recognition will change because of this man? He's an amazing orator, and he seemingly has an incredible ability to catalyze the american public towards change, BUT, the AG decision is hardly about your average "joe the plumber". It's a deep rooted political issue that has significant implications (foreign policy & otherwise). Ag recognition seems to have become a tool, (a pawn, a commodity, call it what you will) for negotiation. Apart from doing the "right" thing, what will Mr. Obama gain by supporting a policy change?

[Harut]

Reading the last few posts - I keep asking myself, does anyone actually believe (I mean really believe, not just hopefulness) that the official US policy on AG recognition will change because of this man? He's an amazing orator, and he seemingly has an incredible ability to catalyze the american public towards change, BUT, the AG decision is hardly about your average "joe the plumber". It's a deep rooted political issue that has significant implications (foreign policy & otherwise). Ag recognition seems to have become a tool, (a pawn, a commodity, call it what you will) for negotiation. Apart from doing the "right" thing, what will Mr. Obama gain by supporting a policy change?

 

փոխառնելով մեծն բանաստեղծի խոսքերը՝ երազախաբ են եղել, սպասում են զավակի ծնվելուն...

Edited April 25, 2009 by Harut

[MosJan]

Barack Obama disappointed US Armenians 25.04.2009 00:39 GMT+04:00 http://panarmenian.net/news/images/ico_print.gif http://panarmenian.net/news/images/ico_mail.gif /PanARMENIAN.Net/ Thousands of US Armenians participated in annual rally in commemoration of Armenian Genocide victims. This time, US Armenians had great expectations towards US President’s annual statement. Yet, Barack Obama did not fulfill his pledge, by refraining from saying the Genocide word in his traditional address to US Armenian Community.

 

“We expected our president to fulfill his pledge by saying the Genocide word, but he managed to get round the term. Disappointment felt by the majority of Armenians is beyond words. People believed Obama’s electoral promises to recognize the Armenian Genocide as a President,” US citizen Nazeli Martirosyan said during a telephone conversation with PanARMENIAN.Net reporter.

 

Thousands of US Armenians were gathered in front of TVs today, full of hopes for Obama’s April 24 statement.

 

 

[MosJan]

US President Barack Obama did not fulfill his pledge 24.04.2009 22:58 GMT+04:00 http://panarmenian.net/news/images/ico_print.gif http://panarmenian.net/news/images/ico_mail.gif /PanARMENIAN.Net/ US President Barack Obama did not fulfill his pledge. The President refrained from saying the Genocide word in his traditional address to US Armenians on April 24.

 

''As President I will recognize the Armenian Genocide,'' Barack Obama said during his election campaign.

 

 

[yergatuni1]

Reading the last few posts - I keep asking myself, does anyone actually believe (I mean really believe, not just hopefulness) that the official US policy on AG recognition will change because of this man? He's an amazing orator, and he seemingly has an incredible ability to catalyze the american public towards change, BUT, the AG decision is hardly about your average "joe the plumber". It's a deep rooted political issue that has significant implications (foreign policy & otherwise). Ag recognition seems to have become a tool, (a pawn, a commodity, call it what you will) for negotiation. Apart from doing the "right" thing, what will Mr. Obama gain by supporting a policy change?

 

Obama seems to be another opportunist, his idealism seems to only serve his own interests, so it looks like we can't rely on him. However, we can never give up on striving to have the AG recognized. We'll keep on pressing for it, no matter who comes up to be president in the future. when we give up, then we've lost.

 

As a side note, I don't know what the 'bleep' our brilliant leaders in hayastan are doing, they think they can have normal relations with the turks without AG recognition - this is a fools hope.

[ExtraHye]

US President Barack Obama did not fulfill his pledge 24.04.2009 22:58 GMT+04:00 http://panarmenian.net/news/images/ico_print.gif http://panarmenian.net/news/images/ico_mail.gif /PanARMENIAN.Net/ US President Barack Obama did not fulfill his pledge. The President refrained from saying the Genocide word in his traditional address to US Armenians on April 24.

 

''As President I will recognize the Armenian Genocide,'' Barack Obama said during his election campaign.

Are you surprised? I'm not...

[DominO123]

Obama seems to be another opportunist, his idealism seems to only serve his own interests, so it looks like we can't rely on him. However, we can never give up on striving to have the AG recognized. We'll keep on pressing for it, no matter who comes up to be president in the future. when we give up, then we've lost.

 

As a side note, I don't know what the 'bleep' our brilliant leaders in hayastan are doing, they think they can have normal relations with the turks without AG recognition - this is a fools hope.

 

I'm satisfied with what he said, pay attention to this: I have consistently stated my own view of what occurred in 1915, and my view of that history has not changed. My interest remains the achievement of a full, frank and just acknowledgment of the facts.

 

This means: I'm saying it's a genocide and I believe the Turks are dumb enough to not see because they don't read footnotes.

 

He placed more pressures on himself than just saying the actual word, check this: My interest remains the achievement of a full, frank and just acknowledgment of the facts. If the ANCA had more intelligence it would stop yapping for an OK speech and will remind Obama of this promess when the resolution come to floor, since from his own words his interest remains the achievement of a full, frank and just acknowledgment of the facts.

 

But can we really expect something intelligent from ANCA?

 

[Anoushik]

I'm satisfied with what he said, pay attention to this: I have consistently stated my own view of what occurred in 1915, and my view of that history has not changed. My interest remains the achievement of a full, frank and just acknowledgment of the facts.

Agreed.