Arpa Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 It is amazing how short our memory is, when some of us believe that religion and the concept of god was invented 2000 years ago with the advent of yehovah. Sip, sometime ago you advanced the concept of the “SOUL”. Why don’t you start a thread about it? To not forget “ancestor worship”*, mind and soul, and the many words used to describe it, like spirit etc. Anun Hor yev Vordvo yev HOGVUYN srbo. In the name of God, the Son and the Holy Ghost. As you can see, in the Armenian HOGI /spirit and (V)OGI/ghost are only separated with one letter… H. In the Arabic the word for person “nefs” only lacks one letter “e” from “nefes” that means breath, not unlike the Greek/Latin “spirito” to also mean “breath”. Don’t forget that “spirit” also means alcohol just like the Armenian “vogelits @mpeli”/ alcoholic beverage. *Ancestor worship is the same as the immortal soul. It is from our fear of death. Just as the souls of ancestors watch over us, we also want our souls to watch over our descendants. And as to reincarnation. I do believe in it. Do you know the expression “pushing up daisies” that in plain language means being six feet under. But don’t take it lightly. For every life, be it animal or plant that expires (runs out of breath), surrenders the carbon, oxygen , hydrogen,, calcium, nitrogen and sulfur to the ground, a new life begins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 From The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (1979) by Douglas Adams: "I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashot Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 Apres Nairi jan, shnorhakal em!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 Also from Douglas Adams: "Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanetsi Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 From Paul McCartney: "Obladi, Oblada, Life goes on." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmag Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Ironically GOD also stands for... gold-oil-drugs... coincidence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 it also stands for Good Old Days... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashot Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Noah would refere to it as Get On Deck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Frankie says Get Over Deities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvestaked Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 From The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (1979) by Douglas Adams: "I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing." Keep in mind The Hitchhikers Guide is a comedic book and the Douglas Adams was a staunch atheist and good friend of Richard Dawkins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 His self-designation was "radical atheist". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Keep in mind The Hitchhikers Guide is a comedic book and the Douglas Adams was a staunch atheist and good friend of Richard Dawkins. I'm fully aware of the fact that Adams was an atheist. The quote, taken from a satirical novel, was meant to reflect that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 i always wanted to ask, what is the term atheist referred to? none believer of God or none-believer, period! does an atheist believe in something? or someone? , if yes then your a believer, i believe in Sun, a God? in my hamble opinion yes it is God, therefore I'm a believer among many believes. any topic or discussion regarding God is fruitless conversation other then someone, if not all, driven by in so many reasons, be hormonal, egocentric, narcissistic reasons etc...are exercising there verbal skills without much input or thought or have nothing else (better to do) like you all i remember a line from a movie, "did you love your daddy, yes!!, prove it" can someone prove ones love for someone verbally? or believe? faith, a direction, life!? what is God? God is you me and everyone around us, that is if you believe in them!! if do, hence you believe in something or in God. don't like the word God? just leave it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 "Without faith, God is nothing" ... that is atheism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 i always wanted to ask, what is the term atheist referred to? none believer of God or none-believer, period! Non-believer of God. Does an atheist believe in someone? I believe you exist. I believe I exist. Just because you and I exist doesn't mean that God exists. Of course, in this case the idea of God is very different from person to person, so I've long given up explaining my personal views on God and expecting to understand another's idea of God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvestaked Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 I'm fully aware of the fact that Adams was an atheist. The quote, taken from a satirical novel, was meant to reflect that. I couldn't remember what side of the fence you were on and was too lazy to go back and check so I just responded in case it was relevant. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvestaked Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 I've decided that the Armenian skeptics should hang out together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Just because you and I exist doesn't mean that God exists. That is perhaps the most fundamental realization that many "believers" either do not make, or choose to ignore because of all the other uncomfortable existential questions it opens up (like where we come from, where do we go, what is the meaning of life, etc etc). An atheist though is a believer. She blieves God does not exist. It is obvious that the Christian God does not exist but I wouldn't go as far as saying no God exists. That is simply something humans cannot know. So I guess that makes me a believer of not knowing (aka agnostic). Hey, what do you know! We're all believers. Except obviously my bliefs are better than everyone else's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetanos Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Non-believer of God. Does an atheist believe in someone? I believe you exist. I believe I exist. Just because you and I exist doesn't mean that God exists. Of course, in this case the idea of God is very different from person to person, so I've long given up explaining my personal views on God and expecting to understand another's idea of God. I may add that atheists generally leave a very small window of opportunity in case they are proven wrong by Him. "There is no God unless it is proven otherwise". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvestaked Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 The lines between atheism and agnosticism are quite blurry. That is why I do not consider myself to be either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetanos Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 The lines between atheism and agnosticism are quite blurry. That is why I do not consider myself to be either. Ha ha. I used to be pretty radical atheist(Soviet influence). Now, as I age slowly, I do not want to break the bank:) Will see...That is my approach. Although, I was married in Christian Church. So there is a bit of hope:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 "Without faith, God is nothing" ... that is atheism. and you consider your self an atheist? you must have some kind of faith, don't you? come on Sip, In know you have faith. 30 years from now, can you say, outlook in life at this age you are now, you could of been wrong? you know I know you'll think that. man without faith is nothing. what are we, just a small particles in this vastness of space i don't believe man kind could of survived and thrived so many years without something to hang on, religion is poison (thank you mao) is always and has been a form of tool, to manipulate, to control, to start wars (bush) and commit genocides if someone has faith in humanity therefor the person can not be an atheist its a very paradoxical question, the god syndrome, almost everyone has a idea what God is, but no one talks about God when they are rich, full, and happy why do people remember God when they are down, to feel better, God is just a comfort word for ones who need "him" in the hour of need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashot Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Genocide??? - get a load of this - the new manipulation of the US - aka BUSHISTAN!!! http://youtube.com/watch?v=QK1yx8KVh7c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 I think that's the wrong video bud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 That is perhaps the most fundamental realization that many "believers" either do not make, or choose to ignore because of all the other uncomfortable existential questions it opens up (like where we come from, where do we go, what is the meaning of life, etc etc). An atheist though is a believer. She blieves God does not exist. It is obvious that the Christian God does not exist but I wouldn't go as far as saying no God exists. That is simply something humans cannot know. So I guess that makes me a believer of not knowing (aka agnostic). Hey, what do you know! We're all believers. Except obviously my bliefs are better than everyone else's. Sip, So what do you actually believe and why do you think your beliefs are superior than others? What are you beliefs based upon? Roger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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