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Speaking of “wolves in the sheep’s clothing/Գայլը գառնուկների պահապան”

His ilk will never get over the times when they pretended to rid the Middles East from Ottoman Yoke were thrown out of Palestine(equally by both Jews and Arabs), Egypt and Iraq. And now, once again pretending to rid the region of “wolves” , they come back in “sheep’s clothing”.

Is he really that “big bad wolf”? Who are those other “wolves in sheep’s clothing”?

If the people of the ME accept him as an impartial neutral mediator, then they deserve everything befalling them.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...p;refer=europe#

British Prime Minister Tony Blair

June 26 (Bloomberg) -- U.K. Prime Minister Tony Blair, who may be named as an international Middle East peace envoy, said he'll do anything he can to bring about a settlement between Israel and the Palestinians.

Blair's appointment is due to be agreed on at a meeting of the Middle East ``Quartet'' -- the U.S., Russia, the European Union and United Nations -- in Jerusalem today, the Guardian said. Blair suggested to President George W. Bush that he could do the job following his retirement tomorrow, according to the newspaper.

``Anybody who cares about greater peace and security in the world knows that a lasting and enduring resolution of the Israel-Palestine issue is essential,'' Blair told a press conference in London today, when asked whether he would take up the role. ``I will do whatever I can to help such a resolution come about.''

Blair, whose support for the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq angered Arab populations, has consistently argued that the creation of a Palestinian state existing alongside Israel is the key to peace in the Middle East. During his decade as prime minister, Blair helped to end three decades of sectarian violence in Northern Ireland.

Quartet envoys aren't planning to issue a statement after their meeting today, Stacy Barrios, a spokeswoman for the U.S. consulate in Jerusalem, said in a phone interview.

Renewed Urgency …….

To contact the reporter on this story: Robert Hutton in London at rhutton1@bloomberg.net .

Last Updated: June 26, 2007 09:18 EDT

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Mediator?

For what?

 

There is no such thing as mediation. This whole "peace talks" thing is a sham. The zionazis are trying to buy more time to create more facts on the ground. It is all very simple. They must withdraw unconditionally to the 1967 borders and they will get peace in return. What is the problem? Are the zionazis pretending that if the Arabs backtrack on their promise to respond to their withdrawal by offering them peace, then they will face an existential threat / mortal danger? Seriously, who believes that cr*p?

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Sassun, did the thing about getting rid of Good Friday as a holiday in Lebanon pass? I heard it did and now they are considering getting rid of Christmas...

 

Dzakhetsin yergireh dmbo Krisdonianeruh.

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I heard that it didn't happen yet.

If it did, sad that Aram Gatoghigos isn't standing against it.

 

EDIT: Actually it did

 

Cabinet faces crucifixion for canceling Good Friday [i like the title hehe - Dave]

 

BEIRUT: The Cabinet's decision to no longer acknowledge Good Friday as an official national holiday triggered an outcry from a number of prominent Lebanese Christians over the weekend. Good Friday is "a central day in Christian culture," Jbeil Maronite Archbishop Bishara Raii said during an interview with the Lebanese Broadcasting Corporation (LBC) Saturday. "Canceling it as a holiday is a violation of Christian norms.

 

"The government should have consulted with various Christian religious figures before issuing any decisions. Christians would never allow such a key day to be simply left off calendars," Raii said.

 

Tourism Minister Joe Sarkis had defended the move, saying that the government had intended to make Lebanon's holidays "the same as those of other Arab countries."

 

In response, Raii said the holidays celebrated in Lebanon should not be compared with other Arab countries, because it is "known that Lebanon has particular demographic and religious characteristics that ought to be preserved."

 

The Cabinet had voted in December to alter the official schedule of holidays, but the decision was only published in the Official Gazette last week.

 

The Cabinet had also approved other changes to the official holiday schedule - making the Monday after Easter a holiday and removing one day from the two-day Muslim holiday of Eid al-Adha.

 

In a bid to clarify the stance of Christian ministers concerning the matter, Culture Minister Tarek Mitri called Maronite Patriarch Nasrallah Butros Sfeir to brief him on the decision, telling the prelate that the move "in no way stems from political or sectarian considerations."

 

Local daily An-Nahar quoted Mitri in an article published Sunday as saying that he had informed Sfeir of the government's willingness to "modify its decree to abide by any decision the Christian clerics make."

 

Lebanese Forces leader Samir Geagea expressed concern that Christian ministers did not show "much vigilance" regarding the issue of the distribution of holidays, given "all the meanings associated with Good Friday."

 

The opposition "is manipulating Good Friday," Geagea said on LBC Sunday morning. "They want to give the decision political dimensions."

 

Geagea also rejected media reports that blamed Premier Fouad Siniora for the move, saying: "Siniora did not cancel the holiday ... No one person can.

 

" The government is trying to promote the economy by decreasing the number of holidays for both Muslims and Christians," Geagea said.

 

Former MP Suleiman Franjieh's Marada Movement condemned Sunday the Cabinet's actions as "yet another step undertaken by the Siniora government to marginalize Christians even more," and called on the government to apologize for their "sin." - The Daily Star

 

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?ed...rticle_id=83313

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Sassun, did the thing about getting rid of Good Friday as a holiday in Lebanon pass? I heard it did and now they are considering getting rid of Christmas...

 

Dzakhetsin yergireh dmbo Krisdonianeruh.

Actually it's not just Good Friday, it's also a whole bunch of other holidays that have now been removed off the list of official holidays. But I guess thre is a certain sectarian taste to this issue. But the blame goes to the Sunnis who have taken over the country and want to make it a "Sunni country", and equally the blame goes to their Christian allies -- the Lebanese Forces and the Kata'eb (and their "Armenian" allies who take every opportunity to bash Tashnagtsootyoon, but who would not have won -- by their own admission -- if it wasn't for the Hariri (Sunni) votes ).

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Try to read all his posts carefully. You'll see exactly what I mean.

All of my claims in regards to the Zionist manipulation of U.S. politics, media, and the state department have been corroborated by the academic dean of the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University (Stephen Walt) and by John Mearsheimer, political science professor at the University of Chicago, in the paper "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy" that Sassun brought up earlier:

http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/Research/wpap...06_011_walt.pdf

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Israel_Lo..._Foreign_Policy

 

I quote the paper, in the section titled "THE TAIL WAGGING THE DOG" page 26:

 

If the Lobby’s impact were confined to U.S. economic aid to Israel, its influence might not be that worrisome. Foreign aid is valuable, but not as useful as having the world’s only superpower bring its vast capabilities to bear on Israel’s behalf. Accordingly, the Lobby has also sought to shape the core elements of U.S. Middle East policy. In particular, it has worked successfully to convince American leaders to back Israel’s continued repression of the Palestinians and to take aim at Israel’s primary regional adversaries: Iran, Iraq, and Syria.

 

Thinking thoughts counter to what is presented by the Zionist-dominated American media does not mean one is "brainwashed". Those who parrot the line of the Zionist-dominated media are the real "brainwashed" ones.

 

I am smart enough and make enough time for myself to be able to think on my own, instead of to take for granted everything spoon-fed over the (for the most part) Zionist-controlled American corporate television, radio, and newspapers. I am optimistic, though, that the World Wide Web is changing the stranglehold that the Zionists have on mass communications in the U.S. and more and more patriotic and thinking Americans are coming forward and expressing themselves frankly, even putting their jobs on the line, as shown by Walt and Mearsheimer...

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See Verginne? This is exactly what I meant.

Փոխանակ արտայայտած միտքերուս պատասխան տաս, նոյն բանը կը կրկնես...

 

Յաւելեալ յօդուած մը: This time in the section titled "Israel and the Iraq War".

 

Pressure from Israel and the Lobby was not the only factor behind the U.S. decision to attack Iraq in March 2003, but it was a critical element. Some Americans believe that this was a “war for oil,” but there is hardly any direct evidence to support this claim. Instead, the war was motivated in good part by a desire to make Israel more secure. According to Philip Zelikow, a member of the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (2001‐2003), executive director of the 9/11 Commission, and now Counselor to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, the “real threat” from Iraq was not a threat to the United States.139 The “unstated threat” was the “threat against Israel,” Zelikow told a University of Virginia audience in September 2002, noting further that “the American government doesn’t want to lean too hard on it rhetorically, because it is not a popular sell.”

 

Hard to believe, yes, when the American media has been repeating the same lines (lies, bullshit) over and over again that Iraq, Iran, and Syria pose "imminent dangers" to the U.S., harbor terrorists, are developing WMDs to use against the U.S., etc.

 

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

 

A lie told often enough becomes truth.

 

Returning to the point... And who was it that provided the so-called "evidence" for WMDs in Iraq? None other than Israeli intelligence... (pg. 30 of the same document):

On August 16, 2002, eleven days before Vice President Cheney kicked off the campaign for war with a hard‐line speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars, the Washington Post reported that “Israel is urging U.S. officials not to delay a military strike against Iraq’s Saddam Hussein.”140 By this point, according to Sharon, strategic coordination between Israel and the U.S. had reached “unprecedented dimensions,” and Israeli intelligence officials had given Washington a variety of alarming reports about Iraq’s WMD programs.141 As one retired Israeli general later put it, “Israeli intelligence was a full partner to the picture presented by American and British intelligence regarding Iraq’s non‐conventional capabilities.”142
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Փոխանակ արտայայտած միտքերուս պատասխան տաս, նոյն բանը կը կրկնես...

 

I will do the same as long as you keep repeating the same crap over and over and over and over and over and over.

 

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See Verginne? This is exactly what I meant.

 

Sorry, but I agree 100% with Shahan Araradian about who is brainwashed around here.

 

You have nothing but an extremely one dimensional "opinion" as opposed to the facts you have been presented with, which are more than mere opinions.

 

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By now it must be a well established fact that I am not the smartest person here. :o :D

Could someone please tell us what this thread has to do with the price of apricots :ap: in the Ararat Valley??

And, Verginne, will you finally tell us who the hell you are? Are you even Armenian? How should we know? All these years you have not said a single word about us and our culture, except jump in whenever you see the J word. Are you Hitler's illegimitate son? If you know something about anything except those so and so J**s . You may have forgotten that this is HyeForum, not HryaForum, neither it is a NaziForum. As indicated previously, on many occasions . You will be the "verjin/last" person to trust our heritage to. Once agsin. Are you even Armenian? Do you know anything about our culture and heritage? Do you even care?

WTH cares? Are we redirect our guns on TelAviv?

That is exactly what Mehmet Aliev wants, so he can redirect his guns on Stepanakert and Yerevan as we turn our backs barking at TelAviv.

GET A LIFE!!!

Tell us something about OURSELVES that we may not know.

It is beyond belief that this thread has already reached the 30th page.

Threads about Armenia should be so lucky.

Who the hell cares about Jewrusalem? That is any more than they care about J**revan!

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By now it must be a well established fact that I am not the smartest person here. :o :D

 

Even though Shahan and Verginne may claim that you are brainwashed by CNN, I still rather be like you when I grow up than anyone else. Although having the looks of Hagarag wouldn't hurt. :P

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Could someone please tell us what this thread has to do with the price of apricots :ap: in the Ararat Valley??

Arpa, in short, we are living today in a globalized and "flat" world to quote Thomas Friedman. The interconnections between countries, states, communities, diasporas, and corporations is now more powerful than ever before in the history of humanity. More below...

 

WTH cares? Are we redirect our guns on TelAviv?

That is exactly what Mehmet Aliev wants, so he can redirect his guns on Stepanakert and Yerevan as we turn our backs barking at TelAviv.

GET A LIFE!!!

Tell us something about OURSELVES that we may not know.

It is beyond belief that this thread has already reached the 30th page.

Threads about Armenia should be so lucky.

Who the hell cares about Jewrusalem? That is any more than they care about J**revan!

I am an American as well as Armenian, as many of our readers. That's one reason.

 

But there are other, more general reasons concerning the Armenian Cause:

 

Պատճառները շատ են...

1) Միչին Արեւելքի հայ գաղութը

Միչին արեւելքի մեր քոյրերը եւ եղբայրները կը տարապին Սիոնականութեան հետեւանքներէն:

 

Ա. Լիբանան - Լիբանանը տասնեակ տարիներով եղած էր Արեւմտահայ մշակոյթի կերդոնը ձեղասպանութենէն ետք: Լիբանանի քաղաքային պատերազմը (որուն պատճառը Սիոնական երկիրն ու իր գաղտնի սպասարկութիւնն էր) անարդար ձեւով գանդեց արեւմտահայութեան «բոյնը»: Պատճա՛ռ կայ որ արեւմտահայ գաղութը ե՛ւս գրուեցաւ աշխարհի հազար անկիւններուն: Եւ երբ որ կը ցրուիս, կը տկարանաս... Պատճա՛ռ կայ որ մենք փոխանակ Լիբանանի ծովերը շարունակէինք վայելել, մեր մշակոյթը զարգացնել, մեր թիւերը պահել (գուցէ բազմացնել) այսօր տեղահան եղանք եւ եւ՛ս պէտք էր նոր գաղութներ կազմենք օտար վայրերու մէջ (վայրեր որուն վարժ չէինք եւ դեռ չենք վարժուած ապրիլ որպէս հայ...):

 

Բ. Լիբանան - Ինչ որ մնաց հայկական գաղութին մինչեւ այսօր կը տարապին Սիոնականութեան անարդար ակտերէն, օրինակ՝ անցեալ ամառուայ պատերազմը:

 

Գ. Սուրիա - Անարդար պատերազմ մը Սուրիոյ դէմ նոյնքան քեշ ազդեցութիւն կ'ունենայ Սուրիահայ գաղութին:

 

Դ. Իրաք - Բացատրութեան պէտք չի կայ:

 

Ե. Իսրայէլ - Արդէն Իսրայէլը չափազանց «racist» երկիր մըն է: Եթէ Իսրայէլը ըլլայ Միչին Արեւելքի իշխող երկիրը՝ հայերը որպէս հայ չէն կրնար բարքավաճիլ: (Իսրայէլը Սիոնականներու համար է միա՛յն:)

 

 

2) Ամերիկահայ գաղութը

Իւրաքանչիւր ամերիկացի -- ներարեալ ամերիկահայերու -- կը տուժէ ամէն վարկեան որ Ամերիկան թիկունք կը կանգնի եւ կ'օժանդակէ Իսրայէլի ԱՆԱՐԴԱՐ ձեւով:

 

Ա. «ահաբեկիբներ» ("terrorist"ներ) կը ստեղծուին այսօր եւ ամէ՛ն վարկեան որ Իսրայէլը ԱՆՕՐԷՆ կ'իշխէ «West Bank»ը, ամէ՛ն վարկեան որ Ամերիկայի բանակը կ'իշխէ Իրաքը (Իսրայէլի շահերուն համար), ամէ՛ն անգամ որ Իսրայէլի բանակի «F-16» մը (subsidized by American taxpayer dollars -- $3 billion per year can buy the Israeli army 200 per year!)... «Ահաբեկիչը» վերչի վերչոյ ալ մարդ է... Ուրիշ մարդ մը իր նո՛յն պարագային նոյնը կ'ընէր, ինչպէս Իսրայէլի «Menachem Begin»ը ըսած է: ՊԱՏՃԱ՛Ր կայ որ «ահաբեկիչները» կ'ուզեն հարուածել Ամերիկային: «Ահաբեկիչներն» ալ մեզի ըսած են ինչու -- Ամերիկեան կարավարութեան ԱՆԱՐԴԱՐ օժանդակութիւնը Իսրայէլի արաբ շահերուն դէմ:

 

Բ. Ամերիկահայը ինչո՞ւ պիտի կորսնցնէ իր վճառած տուրքերուն կարեւոր մաս մը Իսրայէլի աւելի քան $6 միլիառ բաժնելով եւ անարդար ու անիմաստ պատերազմներու մէջ մտնալով որ ոչթէ միայն ամերիկացիին շահին չի գար, այլ կ'աշխատի հասարակ ամերիկացիին (ու ԱՄՆի դէ՛մ):

 

3) Աշխարհի հայութիւնը

Կարեւոր է հասկնալ Սիոնակունութիւնը որպէս հայեր ամէ՛նուրեք: Սիոնականութիւնը այսօր դաշինք կնգած է թուրքերուն հետ: Այսօր սիոնականները ներկայ են որեւէ քաղաքի տնտեսութեան մէջ եւ կարեւո՛ր է որ հայութիւնը ունենայ համա՛յն գիտութիւն սիոնականութեան մասին, որուն շահերը շատ ատէններ (ոչ միշտ) հայութեան շահերուն հակառա՛կ են:

 

4) Համայն մարդկութիւնը

Այնքան ատէն որ Սիոնականներու անարդար ակտերը եւ գործողութիւնները կը շարունակուին, բոլոր աշխարհը կ'ըլլայ աւելի վտանգաւոր տեղ համա՛յն մարդկութեան համար: Պէ՛տք է արդար ձեւով լուծուի Պաղեստինեան հարցը (պէ՛տք է ձեղասպանութիւնը իրենց դէմ դադրի): Պէտք չէ՛ր Իրաքի վրայ հարցակուէր: Պէտք չէ՛ Սուրիոյ, Լիբանանի, եւ Իրանի վրայ հարցակումներ ըլլան -- թէեւ ճիշտ այ՛ս է որ Իսրայէլի «lobby»ն կ'ուզէ մէջտեղ բերել...

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Sireli Shahan yete angam me yevs @ses, @sadsneret ayn aten yes bidi hasak@nam de dun intch @sel kuzes.

Dun g@ karzes de miayn dun gites divangidutioun, yev miayn dun g@ hasgnas orva iroghutiounner@ yev g@ desnes anardarutiounner@.

G@ bave arden nuyn ban@ hazr angam k@rknetsir yev amen mard hasg@sav, gitch m@n al dun mtik @re urishnerin yev hasg@tsir de meng nor dshnamineru betg chuning arden uning pavarar arands hryaneru glkhusav@.

Mnasdsyal@ gez g@se de lsetsing gez, yev meng gideng ayt polor@ bayds bolor askharin haytararel yev poral u kanchel anor masin mez ogud chuni.

Avelort e guyr mardun esel te an guyr e, husam g@rdsa gez parzel im gaghabar@. :)

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I am an American as well as Armenian, as many of our readers.

 

There-in lies the problem as I have told you before. You claim to be "American" as well as Armenian yet no one is ever forced to become "American". You MUST have done it by choice. Yet I still have to see you say anything good about America or Americans. All you have done is bitch and moan about how bad and wrong things are. The fact that you haven't said anything good about America or Americans (if you have, sorry if I missed it), and the fact that you have become one by choice, only points to ONE thing: Hypocrisy.

 

Now of course you have found a cheerleader in Verginne who almost has an orgasm whenever anyone mentiones the world "Zionism" or "jew" in a negative context but that is all irrelevant. My point about you being brainwashed is merely regarding your purely negative views on the US and your repeated attempts to put down anyone that disagrees with you as somehow being "brainwashed". If people who disagree with you are brainwashed by "Zionist" media, then I maintain that you must be brainwashed by "Anit-Zionist" media.

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There-in lies the problem as I have told you before. You claim to be "American" as well as Armenian yet no one is ever forced to become "American". You MUST have done it by choice. Yet I still have to see you say anything good about America or Americans. All you have done is bitch and moan about how bad and wrong things are. The fact that you haven't said anything good about America or Americans (if you have, sorry if I missed it), and the fact that you have become one by choice, only points to ONE thing: Hypocrisy.

I have mentioned the pros and cons of life in the U.S. in a previous response to you. I don't see the U.S. as black and white.

 

In regards to being both American and Armenian, I don't see any hypocrisy in that! I have become an American BY CHOICE! The U.S. is a democracy, which means that you may criticize your own government in order to IMPROVE the collective lives being lived by its citizens.

 

The very reason that you can CRITICIZE a democracy you're living in and not be labeled a "traitor" is what makes a democracy so great. And yet you wish to equate my comments as "bitching and moaning" or that I'm a traitor to America because I criticize it.

 

I think it is YOU who doesn't understand the value proposition of the U.S.A.

 

Now of course you have found a cheerleader in Verginne who almost has an orgasm whenever anyone mentiones the world "Zionism" or "jew" in a negative context but that is all irrelevant. My point about you being brainwashed is merely regarding your purely negative views on the US and your repeated attempts to put down anyone that disagrees with you as somehow being "brainwashed". If people who disagree with you are brainwashed by "Zionist" media, then I maintain that you must be brainwashed by "Anit-Zionist" media.

The problem with you is that you can't debate. I've presented arguments and all you do is turn this into Zionist vs. anti-Zionist.

 

If you had real points to make, you would have made them, instead of turning this into an emotional issue.

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Sireli Shahan yete angam me yevs @ses, @sadsneret ayn aten yes bidi hasak@nam de dun intch @sel kuzes.

Dun g@ karzes de miayn dun gites divangidutioun, yev miayn dun g@ hasgnas orva iroghutiounner@ yev g@ desnes anardarutiounner@.

G@ bave arden nuyn ban@ hazr angam k@rknetsir yev amen mard hasg@sav, gitch m@n al dun mtik @re urishnerin yev hasg@tsir de meng nor dshnamineru betg chuning arden uning pavarar arands hryaneru glkhusav@.

Mnasdsyal@ gez g@se de lsetsing gez, yev meng gideng ayt polor@ bayds bolor askharin haytararel yev poral u kanchel anor masin mez ogud chuni.

Avelort e guyr mardun esel te an guyr e, husam g@rdsa gez parzel im gaghabar@. :)

Is this the gestapo? We aren't in Soviet Armenia or Iran, my friend...

 

I will say the same thing I said to Sip:

 

Switch channels if you don't like what's on TV ;)

 

(i.e. move on to a different topic.)

 

If you have a rebuttal, then make it, otherwise you're typing hot air.

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