What other nations call Armenia

[Armenak]

Kurds call Armenia Ermenistan, like the Turks.

[annannimusss]

The -Stan ending is just a Persian suffix that was added later.Like Hayastan means place of or home of Hye's.

 

 

"The suffix -stan or -sthan is Persian for "home of/place of".

 

"It appears in the names of many countries and regions, especially in central Asia and the Indian subcontinent which are the areas where Persian and related languages have historically been used. It is the Persian equivalent to the Latin ending -ia and the Germanic -land."

 

"The -stan form of the suffix is spelled ـستان in Arabic script, and is derived from a Persian suffix which came from an Indo-Iranian root (which also led to Indo-Aryan sthān(a), as found in place names like Rajasthan) expressing "place" or "where one stands". This, in turn, was derived from the Proto-Indo-European root *sta, "to stand" (which is the source of the English word "stand" and, via Latin, "state")."

 

From Wikipedia.org

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-stan

 

And if you scroll down the page a bit it shows some more good information on names of Countries that we Armenians say,and which some other Countries say for Armenia and so on.

[gamavor]

Where did you get ***** in your nickname? Are you a turk?

[Yervant1]

Where did you get ***** in your nickname? Are you a turk?

I was waiting for this from Arpa you beat him to it.

[annannimusss]

I am not a Turk,I am Armenian.My mom sometimes calls me ***** so I made it a nickname of mine.People actually do call me Sako *****,only jokingly of course,even though I like the name.

 

Many Armenian leaders and Heroes were called *****.Boghos Nubar *****,the founder of the AGBU.Antranik *****,one of the great leaders against the Turks during the Genocide who later moved to Fresno,CA and died in Fresno,CA,where I live.

[gamavor]

And than we complain about stereotyping...

[annannimusss]

It's ok,many times on many Armenian forums people ask me that.

[shaunt]

One explanation I have seen relates Arm- with Aram. Somehow the "a" drops off, giving us Arm-enian, meaning the same thing as Aram-ean.

 

Aram denoted the northern region of Syria, just south-west of Van.

 

So "Armenian" = inhabitant of Aram.

[annannimusss]

Shaunt,you are exaactly right about that.

[nairi]

The proper name of Hayq needs to be restored, the anthem and the flag need to be changed. I like calling "Hayastan" a slave name though

 

If you would have asked Michael Arlen Sr., he would preferred Hayastan. Though this may have been because he was not aware of the fact that once upon a time it was called Haiq.

 

"I once had the idea of writing a history of Armenia; in which my first and original adventure would be to call my subject not Armenia, but Hayastan. Lest the Western reader--for whom, of course, my history was intended--should have any suspicion of pedantry in this, to him, new-sounding name of a country which he had long vaguely heard of as Armenia, I would explain that, as it is more correct to call a thoroughbred a thoroughbred and not a mongrel (it is, perhaps, too boastful a comparison, since no race of men can compare with a good dog in purity of blood), so it is more correct to call my country Hayastan and not Armenia. Hayastan, then, I shall call it: because (1) Hayastan is the real name of the country founded by the patriarch Haik; it was called Armenia (which is perhaps a perversion of Aramia, the country of the Aramians, or the followers of the great King Aram, "the terror of Asia," whose Empire stretched from the Caspian to the Propontis) first in the time of Darius Hytaspes, and is to this day called Armenia only by foreigners and in foreign languages. Because (2) Hayastan sounds better--so often a sufficient reason in itself for a change of name--without a touch of that contempt which is hinted at, at least to my oppressed ears, in the foreign name Armenia, once a title of admiration for the exploits of a great conqueror."

 

Dikran Kouyoumdjian (Michael Arlen), "The Courtesan of the East," The New Age, 22:18 (1918), p. 349.

 

Web: http://orage.mjp.brown.edu:8680/exist/mjp/...140814603912594

 

In "The London Papers," which Arlen wrote for The New Age and which would later be assembled and published with slight revisions as chapters in The London Venture, Arlen only calls Armenia Hayastan or "the land of (my father) Haik."

[Johannes]

I heard many times from my friends, who are from Mesopotamia, also I read many times, Armenian literature, that Kurds called us when we were there in our homeland "Flah". I guess that this word is Arabic origin, which is fallah that means farmer. When we lost our own ruler class, Kurds came from the southeast and became our rulers, our lords, our protectors, our fleshers, out there in southern Armenia. There is no conjunction between Kurds and historical region Corduch. They call their language Kurmanji other clans call their language Sorani. In addition, who are there in Dersim (western Armenia) call their language ZAZA.

[Sassun]

Why do the Arabs call our country "Armaniyah"

Correction: In Arabic Armenia is "Armeeeenya" (the "eeee" referring to the long pronounciation), not "Armaniyah"

[Sassun]

Why do the Arabs call our country "Armaniyah"

Correction: In Arabic Armenia is "Armeeeenya" (the "eeee" referring to the long pronounciation), not "Armaniyah"

[RemainFaithful]

In Arabic it is Armeeenya or ارمينيا

 

When they want to say the Armenian State/goverment, they say al-Dawla el-Armaniyah or الدولة الارمنية

 

If an Armenian guy is going to tell an Arab: "I am Armenian", he'd say: Ana Armani or انا ارمني

If an Armenian girl is going to tell an Arab: "I am Armenian", she'd say: Ana Armaniyeh or انا ارمنية

 

Also, in some arab coutries there are Armenian ministers. So the Arab journalists, in order differentiate an Armenian Minister from Armenia and a local Armenian Minister, they have added the vowel "ee". So the Armenian Minister from Armenia is called: al-Wazeer al-Armeeni, while the local Armenian Minister is called: al-Wazeer al-Armani.

[Johannes]

Բարեւ հաւատացեալ բարեկամս՝

Ալ-վազիր ալարմանի կը նշանակէ հայ նախարար, մինչ ալ-վազիր ալարմինի կը նշանակէ ՀԱՅԱՍՏԱՆՑԻ նախարար: Չեմ հակասեր այլ կերկրորդեմ ըսածդ, յստակեցնելով, որ արմանի=հայ, մինչ արմինի=հայաստանցի կը նշանակէ:

Վերոյիշեալ մանրամասնութիւնը, որքանով կարեւոր է մարդկութեան առաջընթացի համար, թող ուրիշները որոշեն...

[Arpa]

Please don't go my me. I am cognizant of many cultures, not excluding Armenian, Arabic, Furkish and... others.

Firstly.

Dear RF, welcome to our family, bari ekar, ahlan feek. Correct me please. Am I getting ahead of myself assuming that “ahlan was sahlan” stands for “ahl/nation” and “sahl” stands for “easy”? I.e. meaning - “whoever you are, whatever your ethnicity, your arrival is sahl/easy/welcome”??

See my editorial below.

Remain Faithful;

In Arabic it is Armeeenya or ارمينيا

When they want to say the Armenian State/goverment, they say al-Dawla el-Armaniyah or الدولة الارمنية

If an Armenian guy is going to tell an Arab: "I am Armenian", he'd say: Ana Armani or انا ارمني

If an Armenian girl is going to tell an Arab: "I am Armenian", she'd say: Ana Armaniyeh or انا ارمنية

Also, in some arab coutries there are Armenian ministers. So the Arab journalists, in order differentiate an Armenian Minister from Armenia and a local Armenian Minister, they have added the vowel "ee". So the Armenian Minister from Armenia is called: al-Wazeer al-Armeeni, while the local Armenian Minister is called: al-Wazeer al-Armani

Johann;

Բարեւ հաւատացեալ բարեկամս՝

Ալ-վազիր ալարմանի կը նշանակէ հայ նախարար, մինչ ալ-վազիր ալարմինի կը նշանակէ ՀԱՅԱՍՏԱՆՑԻ նախարար: Չեմ հակասեր այլ կերկրորդեմ ըսածդ, յստակեցնելով, որ արմանի=հայ, մինչ արմինի=հայաստանցի կը նշանակէ:

Վերոյիշեալ մանրամասնութիւնը, որքանով կարեւոր է մարդկութեան առաջընթացի համար, թող ուրիշները որոշեն…

You both open a very interesting and thought provoking subject. That is, Ethnicity v Citizenship.

“Armani/Ermeni/Armenian/Hye/Hay” may all be generic terms, meaning ethnicity, no matter where one may live, no matter what citizenship, all the way from an Armenian living and a citizen of Afghanistan or Zululand (once again, the gamut of the alphabet), it takes those half savage(?) and backward(?) Arabic speaking people to make a distinction. While as the generic “Armani/Eremeni” simply means an ”ethnic Armenian”, more specifically “armeeni” comes to mean a “citizen of Armeenia/Ermenia/Ermeniya”. It is gratifying that the Arabs/Syrians don’t call the citizens of Armenia “armanistani/ermenistani”, and instead use the Europeanized version, “armaee-ieen.

Editorial.

Johann and Remain Faithful. We love both of you, as you seem to know quite a bit about our culture. It is no secret that I have an allergy to ten mile long Armenian words and (nick)names. The reason why I have chosen four letters as my nickname, just as many of our correspondents. I take pride in having Sip amend his screen name from “Seapahn” and more. Is it too brash and forward of me to suggest that you guys/gals review your screen names to like “(J)Ohan” and or “Faith”, or RF, (limited for 3-5 letters as Vava and others have) so we can address you without having to type a whole mile long?

Yes, yes. I know. Even though I was born before hamburger and pizza, but I have the distinct privilege of living in this era of “fast food” ) we will come to that under another topic. Why is that an Aristakes in Yerevan wants to be known as “Aris” yet we in the Diaspora insist to be known as Yeghiazar/Martyros Takhtabokboynuburukian.

[Johannes]

Նմանապէս ես ... եւ երբ քո անունը տեսնեմ, կը փորձեմ ընթերցել:

 

Թէ անուն փոխելու հնարքը բացատրէիք, թերեւս Հով ընէի:

 

Ամենայն դէպս, սա (Յովհաննէս) իմ պաշտօնական անունն է, ամէն ոք զիս Հովիկ կը կոչէ, իսկ կարգ մը արաբներ վանէս وانيس : Պիտի գրէի, որ մեր «արման» անունը ասիական իսկ «արմէն» անունը եւրոպական արտասանութիւն է:

[RemainFaithful]

Thank you Arpa for welcoming me in different languages. You were correct in the Arabic greetings of Ahla_wa_Sahla.

 

Arpa, you can call me RF, if it relieves of your long-name allergy.

 

However, if you ask me, reading your name didn't help me in knowing what Arpa's root is. Was it Arpouhi, Arpineh, Arpi? I said it can't be Arpineh, because Arpi is the short name for Arpineh. Anyhow, as for Sip, I would have never guessed that it was the short name for Sipan. Somehow people do not have have a problem with remembering or writing "Schwarzeneger". Moreover, I know a reporter who is Armenian, who insists that his last name be pronounced and written in full. I agree with this Armenian reporter, but for the internet I never mind.

 

RF

[Yervant1]

Hi, Digin Arpa

[Takoush]

Faithful:

 

Arpa is a man. He is a mature man and certainly not a female; especially when he dreams often enough times of his 70 virgins.

[Takoush]

So Arpa what do you suggest to do with my name? Like Ed has called me "Takoush" lately?

To rename myself as Takoush.

Edited November 18, 2006 by Anahid Takouhi

[Boghos]

Yervant is Hagop Baronian reincarnate.

Yervantig, would you sign my copy of Medzabadiv Mouratsganer?

[Yervant1]

Yervant is Hagop Baronian reincarnate.

Yervantig, would you sign my copy of Medzabadiv Mouratsganer?

This month I'm promoting and signing "Baghdasar Aghpar".

Edited November 18, 2006 by Yervant1

[Arpa]

This month I'm promoting and signing "Baghdasar Aghpar".

No,No!!

This week I am signing the Metsapativ Mouratskanner, The Horobale Beggars.

Do you think the era is over?

Why do some assume we are all idiotic diasporans who know nothing but that we became Chrsitians in 301 AD?

During one of my stays in Yerevan I was sitting at the sidewalk café at the then Hotel Hotel (Mariott), when, among others, a young man, clean shaven and clad in suit approached me, he may have been an “Armenian Jew”, who knows? hHe had a portfolio, he pulled out a manuscript and began to read. I forget how he had begun his theses until he, assuming that I was one of those idiotic, know nothing but our “Christian/Yahoodi” diasporas proceeded d to show what he had written. All I had to see was his mention of Noah, Moses and David. I burst. I exploded. I tried to engage him in a debate as to how Noah, Moses and David had anything to do with our heritage. He proceeded to argue that, we as “Christian “Armenians , once again assuming that I was one of those diaspiran “idiots “ who know nothing about our heritage except Loussavorich and his co-darkeners.

I told him, in as many different unmentinable words to get the F**** off my table. He would not take a NO as an answer until the manager at the café he knew him) came over and told him to get the f*** off my table.

Honorable Beggars?

I will buy whatever they may have to offer. Abraham, Noah, Moses, David?

No. Thank you!

There is another country for them. It is not in Yerevan.

Hey you guys! If you think this isAnti-S, consider that there are more than a Billion Arabic speaking people who claim to be Semites.

Edited November 18, 2006 by Arpa

[Yervant1]

No,No!!

This week I am signing the Metsapativ Mouratskanner, The Horobale Beggars.

Do you think the era is over?

Why do some assume we are all idiotic diasporans who know nothing but that we became Chrsitians in 301 AD?

During one of my stays in Yerevan I was sitting at the sidewalk café at the then Hotel Hotel (Mariott), when, among others, a young man, clean shaven and clad in suit approached me, he may have been an “Armenian Jew”, who knows? hHe had a portfolio, he pulled out a manuscript and began to read. I forget how he had begun his theses until he, assuming that I was one of those idiotic, know nothing but our “Christian/Yahoodi” diasporas proceeded d to show what he had written. All I had to see was his mention of Noah, Moses and David. I burst. I exploded. I tried to engage him in a debate as to how Noah, Moses and David had anything to do with our heritage. He proceeded to argue that, we as “Christian “Armenians , once again assuming that I was one of those diaspiran “idiots “ who know nothing about our heritage except Loussavorich and his co-darkeners.

I told him, in as many different unmentinable words to get the F**** off my table. He would not take a NO as an answer until the manager at the café he knew him) came over and told him to get the f*** off my table.

Honorable Beggars?

I will buy whatever they may have to offer. Abraham, Noah, Moses, David?

No. Thank you!

There is another country for them. It is not in Yerevan.

Hey you guys! If you think this isAnti-S, consider that there are more than a Billion Arabic speaking people who claim to be Semites.

Is this Metsapativ Mouratskanner? Or Havana gila?