Error 404 Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 (edited) Recently I came up to this video clip in internet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKlLV6211ZE It is about demolition of old head stones(not historical monuments) by armenians in Armenia. The autor is an azeri propagandist. I first thought that the pics are taken from an armenian cemetery in azerbaijan and they (azeris) want to spread lies again. But after the research I found out that those pics are from Armenia, Yerevan. Now they are using it as counter argument against the Jugha's Xachkar demolition. Claiming that we aremenians demolish azeri and our historical monuments. Allthough it is an act of vandalizm and it is done by certain individuals, azeris are trying to generalize it to whole armenian nation claiming that those head stones will be used to build a restaurant. Those words were taken from the armenian Journalist's(Edik Baghdasaryan) article from here http://www.hetq.am/eng/society/0604-tapan.html I also found out that hetq.am was spnsored by hyeforum members before. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=10764 It is great to have an independent and fair media. It is journalist's professional duty to bring the truth to the public. But I think before posting an article like that the autor should verify the political corectness of his writing. He should think about the consequences and the future impact of his "acsent". A small mistake or careless accusations and blames will make his article to food for azeri/turkish propaganda machine. The enemy is not sleeping. Especially after the recent news that turkey created "Special Bureau" for spreading misleading propaganda and lies in internet. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=15...mp;#entry189730 Our cause should unite us and not divide. EDIT: I put the link to the video in CODE tags to avoid increasing it's google rank. Edited February 15, 2007 by vava Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Errror jan hetq.am kam Edik Baghdasaryan nerkayis yete voch miyak iyl miyaknerits mekn en ov irapes nerkayatsnum e irakanutyun@. isk qareri masin - arajin voch mek@ chgity te sranq irakan hin gerezmanaqarer en te voch - - yes 2 te 3 amis araj eyi zruytsum barekamis het ov asum er te voch irakan gerezmanaqarer chen sranq. inchvor filmi hamar havaqvats en yeghel, tesaran patrastelu hamar chnayats yes arden vochinchi el chem havatum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Recently I came up to this video clip in internet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKlLV6211ZE It is great to have an independent and fair media. It is journalist's professional duty to bring the truth to the public. But I think before posting an article like that the autor should verify the political corectness of his writing. He should think about the consequences and the future impact of his "acsent". A small mistake or careless accusations and blames will make his article to food for azeri/turkish propaganda machine. Disagree. A journalist's ethical responsibility is to report the truth - and certainly truth MUST be reported regardless of socio-political consequence. Only recognition of the truth will allow us to build a better, ethical nation that is fit to face the coming challenges of future generation. Sweeping things under the rug will never help - not only is it akin to condoning undesired behaviour, it is highly hypocritical of us to not report/admit our own short-comings and problems. The first step to solving a problem is to recognize it exists. In this particular case, it's hard to even do that: The pictures of the khatchkars were simply that: pictures of broken khatchkars. The premise of the video, that Armenians don't really care for their cultural history, but only for political gain against Turkey/Azerbaijan, is quite plainly ludicrous. What is more compelling, and this would be evident to anyone who actually read Edik's article, is that Armenia has a corruption problem: A problem that facilitates, for the sole sake of profits, the unhindered disrespect of historic cultural Armenian icons. If this problem is never exposed and address, it will continue to stew beneath the surface and rot out the nation from within. I commend Edik and hetq.am for having the balls to report the reality that so many simply ignore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rostom Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 It is great to have an independent and fair media. It is journalist's professional duty to bring the truth to the public. But I think before posting an article like that the autor should verify the political corectness of his writing. He should think about the consequences and the future impact of his "acsent". A small mistake or careless accusations and blames will make his article to food for azeri/turkish propaganda machine. Our cause should unite us and not divide. This is the catch 22 with journalism. Exposing one story or fact may lead to anguish--whether it be through the community or the enemy--from another aspect. This is exactly what happened in this case, as someone used the images and story to make a detrimental video to turn the story upside down. But take any of Mr. Baghdasaryan's stories, do you not think the same can be said for nearly all of them? There is always someone out there who is going to be hurt by the truth and will try to manipulate it to their advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted February 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 As I said it is great to have someone to write the truth. My point is that he should be careful with phrases like "we are building restaurants with those headstones". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neko Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 The premise of the video, that Armenians don't really care for their cultural history, but only for political gain against Turkey/Azerbaijan, is quite plainly ludicrous. It is actually true (as true as any generalisation can be). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neko Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 As I said it is great to have someone to write the truth. My point is that he should be careful with phrases like "we are building restaurants with those headstones". What you also said was "It is journalist's professional duty to bring the truth to the public. But I think before posting an article like that the autor should verify the political corectness of his writing. He should think about the consequences and the future impact of his "acsent". A small mistake or careless accusations and blames will make his article to food for azeri/turkish propaganda machine." Sounds like an attitude that wouldn't seem out of place in the worst periods of the Soviet Union. "Millions dying of starvation, collectivisation a disaster - don't write about any of that because the capitalists might use it in their propagnda machine against us". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted February 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 neko now you are doing to my posting what the azeris/turks did to Edik's article. DO NOT TRY TO TWIST MY POINT. It is actually true that people like you can not set priorities... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neko Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 (edited) neko now you are doing to my posting what the azeris/turks did to Edik's article. DO NOT TRY TO TWIST MY POINT. It is actually true that people like you can not set priorities... You are the one exhibiting a bit of a skewed priority. You are maligning an excellent journalist, who has written a thoughtful article in the one of the best independent news outlets in Armenia, all because some turdy little Azeri places a pathetic "video" on youtube (I put"video" in inverted commas coz a series of static text and static photos can't seriously be caled a video). Edited February 16, 2007 by neko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted February 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Why don't you take a time and try to keep other people away from azeri/turkish propaganda and lies? Everyone here(hyeforum.com) already knows the truth about the Armenian Genocide and Arcax war. Try to educate others(there so many of them trying to learn something about these issues) and assure that our cause is right and that we don't exadurate anything when azeri/turkish propagandists keep bombarding them with numerous lies about us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 It is actually true (as true as any generalisation can be). I think there are cases where the above point is true - but I would think on a general scale, most Armenians would out their cultural values above those of creating propoganda for political gain. Moreso, we are witnessing that the quest for personal wealth comes first and foremost above all considerations. So much for political gain. Try to educate others(there so many of them trying to learn something about these issues) and assure that our cause is right and that we don't exadurate anything when azeri/turkish propagandists keep bombarding them with numerous lies about us. I don't think we have to worry too much about the Azeri/Turkish "propoganda" at least not the home grown variety in outlets like youtube. This video in particular is so rife with innacuracies and outright mistakes that it would be difficult for anyone with half a brain to take seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 And The Ararich toppled the 200 trees (human like Angels) which actually, according to "eyewitnesses", looked like trees. Why would Ararich, AKA Ara-Mets, Aramazd ,Ahra-Mazd, Ahura-Mazda topple trees? first,angles are nothing like Human like Those were not trees, Those were serpents between man and the Ararich Thou shell you all go to hell!!! said Ararich and thus long after Henry Thomas said "Things are not what they are, but are what they appear to be" does anybody else here understood what I just said? better yet let me ask, Why would Armenians thrush there own Kachqars? we are boulders and not destroyers I challenge anybody to show me one Kachkar, or Church stone, a fountain, which represent our culture has been destroyed. or if anybody has doubts, they also can go to Hell. Hndzats@ drants hundz chi, arantsnel drants gorts chi Aratsatsna khot et anasunneri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error 404 Posted February 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 AYO! Menq enq mer sarer@! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Martike (Tourk gam Azeri) gentani en; payts irents gentani vidjagin mech gouzen gor 'uneducated' ankrapar antsitki (Western world) irents sedaxosoutyounnere havadatsenel. Irents arararknere mer vera pagtsenelov. Meg xoskov irents geghdod verargoun gouzen mer vera haktsnel. Payts vorosh eh vor mer azke inchbes vor Ede esav; menk godorogh azk chenk ayl shinogh azk enk. Teshpaghtapar minchev polor Arevmdyan ashxarhe meds masamp hasgenan jamanag garne; payts ousoum ounetsoghe kide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazarian Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 If indeed the headstones were desecrated then it is the a citizen's and a journalist's duty to speak up against it and expose these facts. In a Stalinist manner, a lot of people will demand that the dirty laundry not be exposed. The whole issue is that dirty laundry should not exist in the first place. It is only through exposure and public shame that negative aspects of everyday life can be reigned on and corrected. As for the Azeri propaganda machine, such news do not help them much. When the source is Armenian, it is clear that the Armenians are against it. In comparison, there was never an outcry in Azerbaijan when the cemeteries in Baku were destroyed, or the khachkars in Jugha were smashed with sledgehammers and thrown in a dump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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