To Zerderer

[irlandahay]

hello zurderer

 

we havent had the chance to meet. you see, iv been busy lately...school and other forums. i forgot to look back until i realised it smelled like crap on this forum, wich means only one thing...aturk must be around.

 

indeed i was right. but one thing i am not certain of...are you turkish or a kurd? i dunno, somewhere i read that you were a kurd. if so, il say what i have to say when u answer...

 

now back to armenia.

i myself am only half armenian, i descend of two noble races, i am irish and armenian. pretty rare. my body is irish(blond hair, green eyes, small stature) but my spirit is armenian.

my grandfather walked the desert at the age of 4, he watched his family get whiped out. he was always told never to hate, he always told us never to hate.

 

but i was driven to this, i grew up thinking that the government is to blame. the people have nothing to do with it. i even managed to prove to a turk at my school that there was a genocide. it was hard to accept at first. but he managed, i congradulate him everyday for this, this guy deserves respect. recently there has been a series of articles in newspapers about armenians (independance day, french bill), HE is the one who comes and shows them to me.

 

but it is morons like you who bring my hope down. it is morons like you, who refuse to stand up to the past, and to move towards a better future.

 

i am really getting fed up with this crap! FOR HOW MUCH FREGIN LONGER AM I GONNA HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THIS? YOUR FREGIN CRAP ABOUT LIES AND NO ITS THE ARMENIANS WHO KILLED TURKS! HOW STUPID ARE YOU? GOD FUKING DAMN IT IM SO TIRED OF HEARING THIS! IM TIRED OF READING ABOUT PROTESTS, ABOUT ANTI ARMENIAN PROPAGANDA! IM SO FREGIN TIRED OF ALL THIS!

FOR HOW MUCH LONGER AM I GOING TO HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THIS?!

 

the intent was to protect turkey? by whiping out a nation? so whats your excuse? you were trying to protect your citisens? tell that to the 1.5 million armenians, or the 1 million assyrians, or the 800 000 greeks, or the syriacs, pontians, chaldeans...what do you have to say to all these people? whos lives and lands youv destroyed!

do you knot feel the pain of our people? the pictures and texts and accounts dont affect you? how do you sleep at night? knowing what the hell happened within your borders? how could you choose to turn your head and move to otherthings, without wondering. i know some who hate you to death! who wish for a turkish genocide! just so you can see what it feels like to have your culture spat on, your flags burnt, your nation destroyed! to whitness the demise of your entire family, of having to march a desert only to be led to a cliff off wich you will be shot and pushed into!

 

how could you ignore the seriousness of this event! how could you stand here today and say it never happened?

young turks never had the intent to kill armenians? so where does their fregin party slogan come in?! "turkey for the turks", where does this fit in?! if thats not a clear statement i dont know what is!

 

i am just glad i live in a free and reasonable country, that supports justice. last year, after his election to power, prime minister steven harper officially recognised the Armenian genocide. THANK YOU brave mister harper! this man is a true hero of our time! this is a man that deserves a round of applaus!

 

whilst erdogan is giving others lesons about freedom of speeche and human rights! can you believe the balls this man has?!

 

i hope he burns in hell!

long live armenia!

they are gone but NEVER forgotten! your lies will NEVER cover the truth!

i dont care if THE WHOLE WORLD lost hope, i still have it! you know why?

because 93 years later...WE ARE STILL HERE!

 

long live hyeasdan!

gamats gamats, polore bidi hasgenan, vor djisht mer cove, ge mena sadanan!

Edited October 16, 2006 by irlandahay

[zurderer]

we havent had the chance to meet. you see, iv been busy lately...school and other forums. i forgot to look back until i realised it smelled like crap on this forum, wich means only one thing...aturk must be around.

 

so armenians are immune to craps? Infact I totally think different except some sensible guys(phantom, ext), most of forum armenains are talking without much sense.

 

indeed i was right. but one thing i am not certain of...are you turkish or a kurd? i dunno, somewhere i read that you were a kurd. if so, il say what i have to say when u answer...

 

I said I am Turk, I dont know why It is much important.

 

I am maybe an asimilated greek, or bulgarian. (Absolutely not kurd.), so will this change anything? do you talk people with acording to their nation?

 

now back to armenia.

i myself am only half armenian, i descend of two noble races, i am irish and armenian. pretty rare. my body is irish(blond hair, green eyes, small stature) but my spirit is armenian.

my grandfather walked the desert at the age of 4, he watched his family get whiped out. he was always told never to hate, he always told us never to hate.

 

so why did not you listen him? If he is such a good guy, why dont you follow his way?

 

but i was driven to this, i grew up thinking that the government is to blame. the people have nothing to do with it. i even managed to prove to a turk at my school that there was a genocide. it was hard to accept at first. but he managed, i congradulate him everyday for this, this guy deserves respect. recently there has been a series of articles in newspapers about armenians (independance day, french bill), HE is the one who comes and shows them to me.

 

I dont know why do you blame people, because of their lack of history knowledge? I dont think this is not a real accusation, after all noone know about murdered turks too.(Including you.)

 

If It is a crime, so you are a criminal.

 

 

but it is morons like you who bring my hope down. it is morons like you, who refuse to stand up to the past, and to move towards a better future.

 

I think you(Armenians) are repeating yourself, I said I accept ethnic cleansing, genocide(with intent or not.)

 

I also dont think following past enemity will reason for a better future.Accepting genocide(Formally) wont change anything. Specially If this acceptance happened with force of out side.

 

As I asked before, what is practical benefit of accepting genocide for armenians?

 

OR HOW MUCH FREGIN LONGER AM I GONNA HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THIS? YOUR FREGIN CRAP ABOUT LIES AND NO ITS THE ARMENIANS WHO KILLED TURKS!

 

do armenians are not capable of killing? Infact french army had armenians soldiers, or armenians attacked patisah of ottomans. So absolutely armenians killed people too.

 

Do it justify genocide? No It doesnot,

 

but denying murdered turks make you like these armenian killers.(I know you remember these words from somewhere.)

 

the intent was to protect turkey? by whiping out a nation? so whats your excuse? you were trying to protect your citisens? tell that to the 1.5 million armenians, or the 1 million assyrians, or the 800 000 greeks, or the syriacs, pontians, chaldeans...what do you have to say to all these people? whos lives and lands youv destroyed!

 

I am not justifying their crimes, I am just understanding reason of crimes.

 

I am sure you will also understand reason of Asala crimes.(And I hope you wont justify that crimes.)

 

do you knot feel the pain of our people?

 

do you know what, I think pain of your people dont comes from Turks, but most of your own culture. It is not only your people who is genocided, butchered or killed, but It is only your people who still feel that pain. I can accept Turks genocided armenians, but I cannot accept we are still reason for your pain.

 

It is you who built this masosist culture.

 

 

 

 

the pictures and texts and accounts dont affect you? how do you sleep at night? knowing what the hell happened within your borders?

 

Again you are trying to enforce me, some guilt that is not done by me. How do you sleep at night? with knowing what the hell happened withing your world?

 

 

i know some who hate you to death! who wish for a turkish genocide! just so you can see what it feels like to have your culture spat on, your flags burnt, your nation destroyed! to whitness the demise of your entire family, of having to march a desert only to be led to a cliff off wich you will be shot and pushed into!

 

some? I think It is more than some. My friend, I read some armenian forums, I saw how armenians are proud of hating from Turks. So dont tell me some.

 

when I have great sypmaty for your ancestors(I said before, I had power or chance, I will fight against genocide), I have zero sypmaty for your people(now). why do you think?

 

how could you ignore the seriousness of this event! how could you stand here today and say it never happened?

 

I did not say It never happened, I said If It is genocide, so what happened algerians too, but It is interesting It is armenians who did ignored it.

 

young turks never had the intent to kill armenians? so where does their fregin party slogan come in?! "turkey for the turks", where does this fit in?! if thats not a clear statement i dont know what is!

 

Yes It is a fasist slogan, A lot Turks still say it, but I dont see anyone of them want to kill all armenians.

 

i am just glad i live in a free and reasonable country, that supports justice. last year, after his election to power, prime minister steven harper officially recognised the Armenian genocide. THANK YOU brave mister harper! this man is a true hero of our time! this is a man that deserves a round of applaus!

 

why did he accept this? If Reason was same with france, He is not hero but a trader of sufference.

[mx5]

This reminds me of something happened,some long time ago me and my wife decided that we go and see western armenia and try to find my grandfathers home!!while we there we went to visit city of Anni,there were so many churchus most of them in ruins..one Turk was sitting there when my wife said that I ask him with whatever turkish I speak that if he was a turk,so I did, he replied yes I asked him if turks are christians he gave me a disgusting look and said of course not Hamdoulillah we are all Muslimans then my wife told me to ask him why they have built all these churches instead of mosques than!! he replied that there was once a people called Ermeni here and that they have built them,and in reply to my question of what happened to them he put the tumb of his right hand near his throught and with a hand movement said:SLAUGHTERED..!!not knowing that in the ussr next to him few kilometers there were over 3 million of Armenians living and as much ,and much more all over the globe,and that one day they will come back from the grave of their ancestors and demand the truth justice and what belongs to them..

 

jack

[irlandahay]

so armenians are immune to craps? Infact I totally think different except some sensible guys(phantom, ext), most of forum armenains are talking without much sense.

I said I am Turk, I dont know why It is much important.

 

I am maybe an asimilated greek, or bulgarian. (Absolutely not kurd.), so will this change anything? do you talk people with acording to their nation?

so why did not you listen him? If he is such a good guy, why dont you follow his way?

I dont know why do you blame people, because of their lack of history knowledge? I dont think this is not a real accusation, after all noone know about murdered turks too.(Including you.)

 

If It is a crime, so you are a criminal.

I think you(Armenians) are repeating yourself, I said I accept ethnic cleansing, genocide(with intent or not.)

 

I also dont think following past enemity will reason for a better future.Accepting genocide(Formally) wont change anything. Specially If this acceptance happened with force of out side.

 

As I asked before, what is practical benefit of accepting genocide for armenians?

 

 

 

do armenians are not capable of killing? Infact french army had armenians soldiers, or armenians attacked patisah of ottomans. So absolutely armenians killed people too.

 

Do it justify genocide? No It doesnot,

 

but denying murdered turks make you like these armenian killers.(I know you remember these words from somewhere.)

I am not justifying their crimes, I am just understanding reason of crimes.

 

I am sure you will also understand reason of Asala crimes.(And I hope you wont justify that crimes.)

 

 

 

do you know what, I think pain of your people dont comes from Turks, but most of your own culture. It is not only your people who is genocided, butchered or killed, but It is only your people who still feel that pain. I can accept Turks genocided armenians, but I cannot accept we are still reason for your pain.

 

It is you who built this masosist culture.

Again you are trying to enforce me, some guilt that is not done by me. How do you sleep at night? with knowing what the hell happened withing your world?

some? I think It is more than some. My friend, I read some armenian forums, I saw how armenians are proud of hating from Turks. So dont tell me some.

 

when I have great sypmaty for your ancestors(I said before, I had power or chance, I will fight against genocide), I have zero sypmaty for your people(now). why do you think?

I did not say It never happened, I said If It is genocide, so what happened algerians too, but It is interesting It is armenians who did ignored it.

Yes It is a fasist slogan, A lot Turks still say it, but I dont see anyone of them want to kill all armenians.

why did he accept this? If Reason was same with france, He is not hero but a trader of sufference.

 

 

yes...armenians are talking without much sense...of course, none of us know. whilst turks are claiming to have colonised mexico before the vikings, saying to have created the greatest empire in history. whilst your government changes history as much as it wants...jeez, i feel like im in fregin 1984...in fact, the probably dont publish it in turkey because it mention the words freedom and democracy...in any case.

 

i asked if you were kurdish...i should have known, no kurd (or any non turk for that matter) in his right mind would defend such a discusting excuse for nation that is turkey.

 

why dont i follow my grandfathers way? because of you! because of mordoth and prot on other forums, because of richeous...abunch of turks like you. it didnt take me too long to realise i truly despised youa nd your kind. this hibrid of sheep and tatars. this stain on humanity. my talking may be a little extreem for my age, but i assure im no maniac, i know what going to far is. and i know that you have!

 

who are you to preeche forgeting and forgiving? what will it accomplish? first off, i want our lands back! i want them! they are ours! we have our beautiful lands, who would live there? i dont care, i just want your facist government to stop destroying all thats left of our 3000 year old culture!

 

i have come across many turks like you! your not the only one who visits other forums. its kinda funny tho, how all of you speak the same way, how none of you can ever really grasp the concept of genocide

the usual excuse is "turks died too". what id like to know is, how can some 5 million poorly commanded turks die in a war they faught in so miserably...and then have the balls to call it genocide?

they refer to heroic rebellions such as musa dagh and van...as some sort of petty rebellion! who the hell do you think you are? we have every right to justice! w have every right to have our heroes commemorated without you calling them terrorists! these men had fight or die in their heads and they faught with honor!

 

genocide is a plan from the highest point of government down to the last pathetic soldier. in order to commit genocide...there has to be public support. all this is exactly what happened in turkey to the armenians!

some idiots couldnt fight a war and died like sheep...doesnt make it genocide (1 million killed in combat in gallipoli alone). dont even dare give me crap about armenian gangs...its all crap, dont try to pull anything!

 

honeslty...do you think i give a flying crap about algeria? i dont know enough about it to condemn france or take sides in this, what they have to resolve is between them!

 

i dont justify ASALA. but what they did was but a fragment compared to what you guys pulled.

those commie idiots only made us look stupid...but im beggining to understand what pushed them to this. do you have any idea what its like?

 

now you ask are you guilty of anything...

 

a crime un punished is a crime encouraged!

[skhara]

i dont justify ASALA. but what they did was but a fragment compared to what you guys pulled.

those commie idiots only made us look stupid...

 

They just got a bit sloppy and undisciplined. Other than that, they did at least 39 good deeds.

[zurderer]

yes...armenians are talking without much sense...of course, none of us know. whilst turks are claiming to have colonised mexico before the vikings, saying to have created the greatest empire in history. whilst your government changes history as much as it wants...jeez, i feel like im in fregin 1984...in fact, the probably dont publish it in turkey because it mention the words freedom and democracy...in any case.

 

So we have both Turkish and armenian stupidy. Should we decide which is more stupid.

 

i asked if you were kurdish...i should have known, no kurd (or any non turk for that matter) in his right mind would defend such a discusting excuse for nation that is turkey.

 

Kurds or other non-turks had their own ideas, and It is not complately same with you.

 

why dont i follow my grandfathers way? because of you! because of mordoth and prot on other forums, because of richeous...abunch of turks like you. it didnt take me too long to realise i truly despised youa nd your kind. this hibrid of sheep and tatars. this stain on humanity. my talking may be a little extreem for my age, but i assure im no maniac, i know what going to far is. and i know that you have!

 

weird, your ancestors were suffered, but It is you who hate Turks. I am sure, dont knowing history(Acording to you) is not a worse crime than genocide itself. So your nation is becoming more and more hateful than your ancestors. So why do you think we should have some sypmaty against you. Because you hate us.

 

It is interesting also like always you accuse turks for your hate too. I am begining to think, you armenians have an other religion than christianity, and your satans are Turks.

who are you to preeche forgeting and forgiving?

 

I didnot say such thing.

 

what will it accomplish? first off, i want our lands back! i want them! they are ours! we have our beautiful lands, who would live there? i dont care, i just want your facist government to stop destroying all thats left of our 3000 year old culture!

 

Who is you? If It is ROA, I am sure Turkey wont give even one stone to ROA. (And I am totally against it.)

 

If It is people who want they land,You should follow your campaing to take your lands back. It is totally acceptable wish.

i have come across many turks like you! your not the only one who visits other forums. its kinda funny tho, how all of you speak the same way, how none of you can ever really grasp the concept of genocide

the usual excuse is "turks died too". what id like to know is, how can some 5 million poorly commanded turks die in a war they faught in so miserably...and then have the balls to call it genocide?

they refer to heroic rebellions such as musa dagh and van...as some sort of petty rebellion! who the hell do you think you are? we have every right to justice! w have every right to have our heroes commemorated without you calling them terrorists! these men had fight or die in their heads and they faught with honor!

 

so your angels were your ancestors. They did not do any crime. Of course, It is turks who attacked patisah and killed some people, and armenians were loyal to Ottomans. It is absurd, you are talking like almost a turkish nationalist.

 

They are terrorist they killed us, and we fought back. Bla bla, always same terane.

 

genocide is a plan from the highest point of government down to the last pathetic soldier. in order to commit genocide...there has to be public support. all this is exactly what happened in turkey to the armenians!

 

Public support? were they living at democracy? how can you know there was public support? If there was public support, you can say this for armenians too. Infact armenians were supported Young Turks.(More than Turks.) So armenians supported their genocide too.

 

Bullshit. dont built a history from your ass.

 

By the way, If you can show me any proof(And You couldnot show any proof until now.) about intent of destroying all armenians, I may accept this.

 

But please dont tell me again, 1.500.000 million people died, armenians exiled ext ext. This is result, not intent.

 

That moron named talat, reasoned 70.000 Turkish soldier to die(because they have not winter cloths.) Can we say, he intended to kill all of them?

 

By the way, why are you so interested with intent of Talat?

 

honeslty...do you think i give a flying crap about algeria? i dont know enough about it to condemn france or take sides in this, what they have to resolve is between them!

 

Indeed, but most of your people take side at this. Why? Because they have knowledge about it? or because of France. So becoming denier is not only Turkish tradition.

 

 

dont justify ASALA. but what they did was but a fragment compared to what you guys pulled.

those commie idiots only made us look stupid...but im beggining to understand what pushed them to this. do you have any idea what its like?

 

So you said excatly what I said. I dont justify genocide, but I can understand what pushed them to this.

 

 

now you ask are you guilty of anything...

 

a crime un punished is a crime encouraged!

 

who should be punished? Me? Turkey?

 

As I said you before, sufference, punishment, innocence(in armenian situation.), and guilt(In Turkish situation) dont pass next generations.

 

 

 

You are talking about fasism of Turks, find a third person, and let them to read your forums. Than as him, Are we racist or not?

[Johannes]

Donkey head, you parallel between dead of soldiers, who went to fight, and dead of families because of their ethnicity.

[Johannes]

You parallel between a strong empire and its citizens, you parallel between 30 people killed by terrorists or freedom fighters, and between millions. You do not see anything wrong with relegating millions.

[Boghos]

Look, Sooder, if you are looking for a playground, go somewhere else. If you want to be serious about this subject, you are most welcome. Of course, comparing the Armenian Genocide, something that Ataturk himself lamented, to Asala, is a non-starter. So, it is up to you: behave like a hooligan or use your brains.

[zurderer]

I am not comparing them, I just gave asala as an example.(example of not justify a crime , but to understand reason.).

 

Please spare me with more bullshit. It is becoming realy realy boring. Are you fighting with yourself?

 

Also what is relation between Ataturk and armenian genocide? It happened at 1915, and Ataturk has no power neither to stop nor order it..

[Boghos]

Sooder,

You seem to be at a very low level of reading comprehension, at least in English. So, come back in a few years.

[Johannes]

If you eager in discussion let us discuss about dolma, sarma, but please let us all to live in peace do not discuss me about Armenian Genocide, because it is confirmed, but if you are frank, ok I can discuss with you, but please do not befoul the memory of our victims. Covered history of you is well known. If you eager in discussion let us discuss about dolma, sarma, but please let us all to live in peace do not discuss me about Armenian Genocide, because it is confirmed, but if you are frank, ok I can discuss with you, but please do not befoul the memory of our victims. Covered history of yours (our) is well known. Let me remind you, before some years how some Turkish writers and thinkers there in Sivas had been burned? Because of their belief (atheism, socialism) Are you proud of Aziz Nesin? Who killed him? Do you know the story of "kuyudju Murat Phasha"? Once there was Turkish revolt against the government. That Ottoman general (K.M.P.) could not found the mutineers he decided to bury all the inhabitants of that village. Do you know why some Armenians carry guns? To save their families. Do you know why some (very little) Armenians carried guns? Because the rate of Armenian population decreased from 70% to 23 % or 43% or 38 % during 30 years. Because the rate of Armenian population in their own home decreased from 99 % to 23% or 43% or 38% during 200 years, comparing in which province they lived. Do you know how the rate decreased? Let me do not tell you. It was the policy of empire, to decrease the rate of Armenian population in eastern provinces. Do you know that there is a map, Ottomanish map where eastern provinces are mentioned as Armanistan? Where had gone that Armanistan? Who is good Armenian for you? Who gives you his neck while you want to cut it? Most Armenians had done it.

[Johannes]

My grandpa was the biggest son of his parents. He did not know any Armenian word, except "Barlos" (good morning). Although he belongs to a famous family, but the economic situation was not fine. He went to a Turkish craftsman and worked within his workshop, as a copper bucket maker (kazandji). He did not belong to any political party. When First World War began, he mobilized to defend his country, the Ottoman Empire, his own country. Three years of fighting against the British in Baghdad then 3 years of captivating in Egypt. He never asked his chiefs any opportunity for any vacation. He asked his chiefs, who are those? When he saw convoys of wretch people. They said that those are gypsies. Do not care. After cease fire and negotiations between the alliance forces (Britain, France) and the Ottoman empire My grandpa turned back to his town, Antep. He did not found his parents, six little brothers, his uncles, aunts, and their sons. All of them went to desert, but they did not turn back. Later he knew how the guardians of convoys killed them.

[Johannes]

I know that there are respectable turks, kurds. I believe to peace. But please do not tell me to forget. I will die with my pains. Allow us, remember our victims our pains.

[irlandahay]

I know that there are respectable turks, kurds. I believe to peace. But please do not tell me to forget. I will die with my pains. Allow us, remember our victims our pains.

 

agreed.

 

but johannes...whats with the celtic symbols and clover on your avatar...you wouldnt happen to be a fellow irishmen would you?

 

cheers mate

[Johannes]

Dear Irmen,

The Avatar is from Corel draw. I know it is Celtic symbol. I can give you it if you want. However, I will change it from time to time. I do not have European ancestors, but I look alike them.

 

A little more to my Turk friend,

You want me to forget because you won by the Armenian Genocide, but i lost much, too much. You won what does not belong to you, but I lost what belongs to me. I do not hate you, but I am sad because of lovely neighbors I have like you. I am not happy because I belong to a genocided people, and I am not happy with talking sad realities.

I can not forget, because some one pinched my sky, someone filched my land, my soils, my gardens my forests my mountains my valleys my rivers my lakes, my nature. I lost my expanses my aerospace. I lost what is underground and what is upper ground. You captured my future. You kidnapped my happiness. You annihilated my heritage, you destroyed my houses, and you exterminated my beautiful monasteries, my scripts. You took my opportunities in life; you took my chance of prosperity. You made generations be sad, you made my people forget his own language. You made my boys far from my girls and my girls far from my boys. You separated kids from their mothers, and mothers from their kids. You separated men from their wives, and wives from their men, you made parents to watch their children slaughtering. You made grandfathers and grandmothers die after the killing of their grandchildren. You made mothers to throw their kids to rivers. You made mothers to let their babies at edge of roads. I know what you think, and how you think. I know the way of thinking of your. I know what you will say, and what you want to say. I know from where you came, and where you want to go. I know your history, which is covered to you. Your acceptation of Genocide may will not give me anything personally, but may be that make your neighbors are with more comfort. You want me to forget, but you are still giving me applications that we must forget, we must leave Artsakh, what else? You are living in my house, you are gathering fruits from my gardens, you owned my kids my girls my arts. You changed my churches to other things; you are still damaging my feelings with your silly demands. You do not have license to talk or discuss about human rights, about democracy, about peacekeeping, about negotiations, about international society, about humanity, about faiths, about values until you admit, until you apologize, until you regret, until the contrition. Then may be my folk forgive you.

[zurderer]

Do you know the story of "kuyudju Murat Phasha"? Once there was Turkish revolt against the government. That Ottoman general (K.M.P.) could not found the mutineers he decided to bury all the inhabitants of that village.

 

Well cruelty of ottomans was not only aimed armenians but everyone who rebelled them.

 

Because the rate of Armenian population in their own home decreased from 99 % to 23% or 43% or 38% during 200 years, comparing in which province they lived. Do you know how the rate decreased? Let me do not tell you. It was the policy of empire, to decrease the rate of Armenian population in eastern provinces.

 

This is a new accusation, and unreal one.

 

Ottomans had not an ethnic politics and most probably ottomans killed more turks than armenians.(It was turks who rebelled at anatolia a lot times.)

 

 

Do you know that there is a map, Ottomanish map where eastern provinces are mentioned as Armanistan?

 

I think there were more than one maps, ottomans have no problem calling lands with the name of people. They used ermenistan, kurdistan, lazistan, or gurcistan.

 

Where had gone that Armanistan?

 

Ethnic cleansing.

 

Who is good Armenian for you? Who gives you his neck while you want to cut it? Most Armenians had done it.

 

Then they should not.I dont need any cattle.

You want me to forget because you won by the Armenian Genocide, but i lost much, too much.

 

where did I say forget? but your ancestor sufference is realy, your sufference is not.

 

one part of my family fleed form balkans, I didnot like this reality. Infact I accuse bulgarian goverment for it to, but neither I hate bulgarians, nor I suffer from it. It was sufference of my ancestors.

 

There is a lot nation genocided, killed, but It is only armenians who inherited their ancestor sufference.

[Johannes]

Also a little more,

You are the traitors not we, you gathered the males to send them to war, which you entered in it, and then you killed the others by different ways.

You caused what happened to the country not we. You were the reason you were the actors, you were the players not we. We were citizens you were state, we were farmers, you were army, we were craftsmen, and you were senors. We were artisans you were soldiers. We owned our jobs, our fates you owned guns, ammunition, naval, gendarmeries, posts, communications.

We wished better life, safety, you wished grandeur. We wished our daily bread, you wished more wars that translated by amissions, by ruins. Do not blame us if we cannot forget, because we are still carrying the ballast.

[Johannes]

It is not ethnic cleaning. In normal situations we would be about 25-30 millions.

It is Genocide.

[DominO123]

Sooder,

You seem to be at a very low level of reading comprehension, at least in English. So, come back in a few years.

 

I disagree, this guy has a very good comprehention skills of English. Boghos, read everything this guy writes, by moments you'll see English skills then continued with BS. Read his post just under yours, the two first lines and then the third line(he's faking). This guy is faking his English and faking a low intelligence to achieve something.

 

This guy knows and believe the genocide did happen, and anyone following carefully the history of his presence on Hyeforum and reading between the lines and his intends will see that. I'll say it again, he is probably on the highest IQ range of Turks whom I've seen in forums, probably on the over 120s. Also, follow the news and Turko-Armenian relation and draw a correlation with his presence at hyeforum. (say for instance news coverage on groong and the probability of his presence here)

 

I will advice everyone to ignore him.

 

EDITED: I meant his post under your post.

Edited October 19, 2006 by QueBeceR

[Boghos]

I will advice everyone to ignore him.

 

Thanks. That´s not hard to do.

[Yervant1]

I disagree, this guy has a very good comprehention skills of English. Boghos, read everything this guy writes, by moments you'll see English skills then continued with BS. Read his post just under yours, the two first lines and then the third line(he's faking). This guy is faking his English and faking a low intelligence to achieve something.

 

This guy knows and believe the genocide did happen, and anyone following carefully the history of his presence on Hyeforum and reading between the lines and his intends will see that. I'll say it again, he is probably on the highest IQ range of Turks whom I've seen in forums, probably on the over 120s. Also, follow the news and Turko-Armenian relation and draw a correlation with his presence at hyeforum. (say for instance news coverage on groong and the probability of his presence here)

 

I will advice everyone to ignore him.

 

EDITED: I meant his post under your post.

Good luck, I hope they listen to you this time. I already said it several times to ignore him, I also said that he is not a Turk probably a Kurd. All his responses are calculated and measured to irritate and anger us.

[Arpa]

Good luck, I hope they listen to you this time. I already said it several times to ignore him, I also said that he is not a Turk probably a Kurd. All his responses are calculated and measured to irritate and anger us.

Is that o-Zurukderer, that zird, that turkey/bird kaka still here?

What will it take for that birdbrain to understand that we will not engage his kind in debate.

There is nothing to debate. Let the record speak. And if he does not like the historical record he can go back in history, to his historical lands at the Gobi Desert. Or better yet he and his ilk can get the hell out of our lands go to Paris, Berlino or Hellsicki.

Edited October 20, 2006 by Arpa

[Zartonk]

My friends, the thread is on page 2... Enough.

[zurderer]

It is not ethnic cleaning. In normal situations we would be about 25-30 millions.

It is Genocide.

 

That is why us(Turks) dont believe you. You are giving some truth and than lying.

 

You firstly talk about 200 years of ethnic cleansing of Western Armenia, and did not proof it.

 

Than talking about 25-30 million. What was the armenian population at 1915, and what is now. what is growth rate of armenian population, what is asimilation rate of armenian community.

 

Calculate this, than talk about 25-30 million.It is absurd, you think accepting genocide also mean accepting all of your lies.

 

 

I disagree, this guy has a very good comprehention skills of English. Boghos, read everything this guy writes, by moments you'll see English skills then continued with BS. Read his post just under yours, the two first lines and then the third line(he's faking). This guy is faking his English and faking a low intelligence to achieve something.

 

I have enough english, but I am not faking. I just write quick and dont control much what I write. No need to consiperacy teories. what can I achieve at a forum less than 100 people attended.

 

I'll say it again, he is probably on the highest IQ range of Turks whom I've seen in forums, probably on the over 120s. Also, follow the news and Turko-Armenian relation and draw a correlation with his presence at hyeforum. (say for instance news coverage on groong and the probability of his presence here)

 

I will advice everyone to ignore him.

 

It is realy an interesting approach. This guy accept genocide, this guy have enough english, this guy is intelligent. So Ignore him.

 

I am not following Turko-Armenian relations, I am following my country politics.

 

I also said that he is not a Turk probably a Kurd.

 

Absurd, what proof have you for this claim? Trabzon have no kurds, and what would be my gain to pretend a Turk.

 

 

All his responses are calculated and measured to irritate and anger us.

 

hearing truth(I did not lie.) is irritate and anger people. Anyway If irritating is so much bad, You should stop to irritiate and anger Turks with genocide claims.

 

 

There is nothing to debate. Let the record speak. And if he does not like the historical record he can go back in history, to his historical lands at the Gobi Desert. Or better yet he and his ilk can get the hell out of our lands go to Paris, Berlino or Hellsicki.

 

My lovely friend,as QueBecer said, I accept and believe Armenian Genocide happened(With or without intent). So I dont know what type of record I need to talk? I am agree with you about genocide thing.(Not all BS produced by your people.)

 

 

Also a little more,

You are the traitors not we, you gathered the males to send them to war, which you entered in it, and then you killed the others by different ways.

You caused what happened to the country not we. You were the reason you were the actors, you were the players not we. We were citizens you were state, we were farmers, you were army, we were craftsmen, and you were senors. We were artisans you were soldiers. We owned our jobs, our fates you owned guns, ammunition, naval, gendarmeries, posts, communications.

We wished better life, safety, you wished grandeur. We wished our daily bread, you wished more wars that translated by amissions, by ruins. Do not blame us if we cannot forget, because we are still carrying the ballast.

 

are you deaf? I said one millions time that I did not say you should forget, Infact I did not say you should forgive too.

 

I just said,your culture is a culture of masosists(inheriting their ancestor sufference is armenian thing.), and It is racist.(As I said before, Just find a third people,let them read armenian forums, and ask him If armenians were racist or not.) Infact I wont call this as culture, but religion. Satan vs Angel.

 

It is absurd, you can blame, attack, swear us, our culture, our people, but you never accept any type of discussion about your own culture.

 

Also That you part is boring, personal accusation is unnecesary.You are talking about an collective crime(If saying you means Turks.) That is exactly what young Turks did, collectively accused and punished Armenians.

 

But well, After all I said before, Your armenian culture is racist.(I hope Yerevan wont be angry, because armenians always accuse as racism, so I am not doing something that not happened to me.)