What Happened In Khojaly?

[hosank]

Hellektor

 

i know that we have had our differences, but i have to say i agree with you on most of your points

 

but yes, if they are sheep, then arn't we human? do we not accuse them of being more barbaric and mongoloid then men?

 

are we not christians? is it justifiable to kill women, children and elderly because they do it?...don't worry i do not claim that we did such things, but what i am trying to point out is that we are better then them, and we do not have to be like them to win.

 

lionheart...

 

please, do not, ever, post on this forum that we have the same bloodline with turks and azeris. i am not ignorant, and i know that turks have assimilated many armenians as well as other cultures, and that many turkish hordes have crossed into our borders across the years, thought that changes the genetic makeup of the region, it is still very slight.

 

turks are from central asia, so are their sheep cousins. armenians are aryans, or indo-europeans, or what ever you want to call it.

 

armenian genetic makeup is much closer to georgian and greek then to sheep and cows.

Edited February 23, 2007 by hosank

[Dave]

Azerbaijani-Canadians invite fellow Canadians to remember the fifteenth anniversary of the Genocide in Khojaly

 

MONTREAL, Feb. 22 /CNW Telbec/ - Monday marks fifteen years since

February 25, 1992, a date Armenian forces killed 613 Azerbaijanis, including

187 women and children. Human Rights Watch described the Armenian attack as a

"brutal annihilation of hundreds of blameless inhabitants." Renowned American

journalist Thomas Goltz saw "bodies stiffened by rigor mortis that seemed to

speak of execution; a number of heads lacked hair, as if the corpses had been

scalped." Azerbaijanis who survived the Khojaly Massacre joined one million

others forced from their homes by Armenian aggression. Most of the

Azerbaijanis forced from their homes still live as internal refugees,

suffering difficult conditions. Armenia continues to occupy 20 percent of

Azerbaijan, in spite of four United Nations Security Council resolutions

demanding Armenia immediately and unconditionally withdraw its troops from

Azerbaijan. Azerbaijani-Canadians ask Canadians to denounce these attacks and

condemn the ongoing occupation of Azerbaijan.

 

For further information: Mesud Aliev, Chairman, The Association of

Azerbaijanis of Quebec, (514) 816-5996, alievbaku@hotmail.com

 

http://www.cnw.ca/fr/releases/archive/Febr...7/22/c3593.html

 

 

So the Azerbaijanis of Quebec, who seemed to be non-existent, are getting organized?

They don't base themselves on first-hand facts, while on introspective thinking and imagination. Canadians will certainly not take their BS seriously,.

 

[Armenak]

I'm sure there will be a great turnout.

 

These people, who over the past two years have wiped out the Armenian khachkars in Nakhichevan and declared a man who axed an Armenian to be a national hero, are inviting Canada to remember.

 

Well, that one politician Maurice Whatshisname (Velacott?) can join them.

[AK-47]

Azerbaijani-Canadians invite fellow Canadians to remember the fifteenth anniversary of the Genocide in Khojaly

 

MONTREAL, Feb. 22 /CNW Telbec/ - Monday marks fifteen years since

February 25, 1992, a date Armenian forces killed 613 Azerbaijanis, including

187 women and children. Human Rights Watch described the Armenian attack as a

"brutal annihilation of hundreds of blameless inhabitants." Renowned American

journalist Thomas Goltz saw "bodies stiffened by rigor mortis that seemed to

speak of execution; a number of heads lacked hair, as if the corpses had been

scalped." Azerbaijanis who survived the Khojaly Massacre joined one million

others forced from their homes by Armenian aggression. Most of the

Azerbaijanis forced from their homes still live as internal refugees,

suffering difficult conditions. Armenia continues to occupy 20 percent of

Azerbaijan, in spite of four United Nations Security Council resolutions

demanding Armenia immediately and unconditionally withdraw its troops from

Azerbaijan. Azerbaijani-Canadians ask Canadians to denounce these attacks and

condemn the ongoing occupation of Azerbaijan.

 

For further information: Mesud Aliev, Chairman, The Association of

Azerbaijanis of Quebec, (514) 816-5996, alievbaku@hotmail.com

 

http://www.cnw.ca/fr/releases/archive/Febr...7/22/c3593.html

So the Azerbaijanis of Quebec, who seemed to be non-existent, are getting organized?

They don't base themselves on first-hand facts, while on introspective thinking and imagination. Canadians will certainly not take their BS seriously,.

 

Azeris in Canada total 1500 people, Armenians in Canada total 45000 (minimum), who's gonna take these people seriously...the current Canadian government is pro-Armenian anyway.

[DominO123]

lionheart...

 

please, do not, ever, post on this forum that we have the same bloodline with turks and azeris. i am not ignorant, and i know that turks have assimilated many armenians as well as other cultures, and that many turkish hordes have crossed into our borders across the years, thought that changes the genetic makeup of the region, it is still very slight.

 

turks are from central asia, so are their sheep cousins. armenians are aryans, or indo-europeans, or what ever you want to call it.

 

armenian genetic makeup is much closer to georgian and greek then to sheep and cows.

 

Don't speak of things which you ignore.

 

[irlandahay]

Don't speak of things which you ignore.

 

prove him wrong then..or do as you said and dont speak of such things!

Edited February 24, 2007 by irlandahay

[irlandahay]

Azeris in Canada total 1500 people, Armenians in Canada total 45000 (minimum), who's gonna take these people seriously...the current Canadian government is pro-Armenian anyway.

 

actually, theres more like 5000 azeris in canada, and some 90 000 armenians in canada (the wikipedia statistics are VERY old)

 

cheers

Edited February 24, 2007 by irlandahay

[MosJan]

Khodjalu was consequence of political disagreement in Azerbaijan

I was in charge of the Askeran direction of the front line and I state that a corridor was provided for the peaceful population of Khodjalu which was guarded by both the Armenian force and armed Azerbaijanis. It was a railroad, the shortest and safest way to Agdam. We had announced beforehand for a several times that the way would be open, said Lieutenant-General Vitaly Balasanyan, former deputy minister of defense of NKR, in an interview with the KarabakhOpen.com.

 

“The Khodjalu authorities were to take people through the corridor. However, the people were left to choose their way themselves. Some of them died of cold, but most of them were shot by the Azerbaijanis waiting for them near Agdam. Now photos of people who died at that time are exposed who are reported to have been killed by Armenians. I personally guarded the corridor and I can state that these people were killed by Azerbaijanis. At that time, it was favorable for certain people who were trying to come to power in Baku. Immediately after Khodjalu they accused the Popular Front, now they are accusing the Armenians. At that time the Azerbaijani soldiers and we gathered the bodies and returned to the Azerbaijanis. Those who were there at that time should display courage and tell the truth to stop poisoning the generation with hatred,” Vitaly Balasanyan said.

 

“I personally returned about 100 people to the commander of the Agdam brigade Allaverdi Mashirov, referred to as “Godja Gartal”. Allaverdi is not alive but his soldiers are alive who witnessed all. Let the people of Khadjalu remember how we took them to the border. I also want to remind how the mayor of Khodjalu Elman Mamedov got to Agdam. His family was in Agdam, he got there through the same railroad. Why is he lying to his own people? At that time there were 735 guns in Khodjalu, and Mamedov had to organize the defense of his people. However, the person who held people in the captured village till the last minute but ran away the first, whereas the Azerbaijanis accuse Armenians of everything. I am ready to meet with E. Mamedov and discuss all these questions,” Valery Balasanyan said.

 

Recalling those hard times, the general told that during the movement of Artsakh Khodjalu was turned into a den of bandits by the Azerbaijanis. In a few years the village was built up and Turk-Meskhetis settled here. The men were armed. “Day by day the threat from Khodjalu grew. Soon attacks on the road began – they threw stones at the cars, stopped the cars and beat people. The events in Khodjalu, Lesno, Karagava, Khodjavend and other Azerbaijani areas in 1988-1990 were directed by Baku.

 

The Armenian authorities organized a number of meetings with the Azerbaijani authorities, agreement was reached to stop attacks on civilians. However, the Azerbaijanis did not stop. On February 22, 1988 the Azerbaijani insurgents moved from Agdam towards Armenian Askeran, armed with anything they had. The roads connecting Stepanakert with some villages were blocked. It was already necessary to neutralize Khodjalu,” says the general.

 

Khodjalu, as well as many other villages in Karabakh, had originally been settled by Armenians. The Armenian population left these villages as a result of the Azerbaijani policy. The Armenian fortress or Askeran and the small village of Khodjalu did not let the Azerbaijanis capture Shushi early in the past century. This made the Baku authorities to settle the areas around Shushi with Azerbaijanis and create a chain of Azerbaijani villages around the capital of Karabakh – Khodjalu, Malibeklu, Djanhasan, Kiosalar, Molanlar, Alimadatli, Aliagha in the right, Avdal and Gyulaplu in the south. Those were far-reaching plans to capture Karabakh in a peaceful demographic way, because all the violent attempts to get hold of the country had failed.

27-02-2007 14:42:50 - KarabakhOpen

[Aratta-Kingdom]

 

 

DeFacto

2007-03-01

 

 

EYNULLA, BE CAREFUL: AUTHORITIES ARE READY FOR A MURDER

 

 

 

The employees and editor of the newspapers ‘’Realny Azerbaijan’’ (real Azerbaijan) and ‘’Gundelik Azerbaijan’’ are again being victimized in Azerbaijan. As it is known, last September the editor Eynulla Fatullayev was put on probation for two years by the Yasamal regional court by the action of Azerbaijan’s Interior Minister Ramil Usubov. Besides, the above-mentioned newspapers had to drift for a long time under the authorities’ pressure. Today the editorial office is being attacked by the aggressive people calling themselves ‘’refugees from Hojalu’’. The article ‘’Karabakh diary’’ written by the newspaper’s editor Eynulla Fatullayev, which was published in ‘’Realny Azerbaijan’’, evoked their indignation. The article’s author doubted official Baku’s version, according to which the inhabitants of Hojalu had been killed by Armenians. Learning the facts and talking to the inhabitants of Hojalu, who had left the village, Fatullayev came to another conclusion. Here are some passages from his ‘’Karabakh diary’’: ‘’I met with the inhabitants of Hojalu temporarily living in Nafatalan, who openly confessed to me that... a few days before the attack, Armenians continuously warned the inhabitants of the operation by the loud-speakers, suggested that the civil population should leave the village via a humanitarian corridor, near the river of Kar-Kar. According to the Hojalu inhabitants, they used the corridor and Armenian soldiers behind the corridor did not fire on them’’.

The Fatullayev’s conclusions became the reason for his hounding by the Azeri leadership.

‘’I know very well who stands behind it’’, Eynulla Fatullayev told Turan Agency after an unapproved meeting was organized before the editorial office of the newspapers ‘’Gundelik Azerbaijan’’ and ‘’Realny Azerbaijan’’ February 22. The meeting’s participants shouted: ‘’Fatullayev, get out of the country!’’.

Nevertheless, Fatullayev also stated neither him, nor the editorial staff’s members said, ‘’the tragedy in Hojalu was not made by the hands of Armenians, but Azerbaijanis themselves’’. He also urged ‘’the country’s citizens and, in part, the inhabitants of Hojalu, not to believe such allegations’’.

We are far from the thought to credit Fatullayev with pro-Armenian sentiments, especially taking into consideration the fact that we know he maintains the official Baku’s attitude on the Karabakh issue.

However, Fatullayev is an honest journalist, whose publications on the Azeri theme are not appreciated by the Azeri leadership, which caused his current victimization.

According to a famous Azeri journalist Mirkadyrov, it is reminiscent of the events preceding the murder of another famous journalist Elmar Huseynov. In this connection Mirkadyrov recalls that the authorities ‘’murdered Elmar Huseynov, the editor of another opposition newspaper, Bahhadin Gaziyev was beaten to death and left for the dogs to eat, Ganimat Zahidov’s brother was imprisoned for drugs!!!’’

Reading the Azeri press and using our own sources of information we arrived at a conclusion that the history with the colleague’s murder, in this case the journalist Eynulla Fatullayev may repeat in Baku. We do not want to be clairvoyants, but we just have to warn: ‘’Eynulla, be careful!’’

[neko]

Came across these by chance

 

Azeri site about Khojaly.

 

http://www.khojaly.net/index.html

 

Also, scans of 2 Azeri propaganda booklets written in English, the second one may have been produced in response to the publicity of the destrcution of the Julfa graveyard (it has allegations of destruction of Azeri sites in NK and Armenia - though without producing any evidence to prove it).

http://imgsrc.ru/karabakh/a64760.html
http://imgsrc.ru/karabakh/a64762.html

 

 

Edited March 2, 2007 by MosJan

[MosJan]

you can use CODE it will work just fine

[irlandahay]

Also see what azeri government does to it's own people!

 

Imagine what it can do or could have done to armenians in Arcax.

 

all hail democratic azeri government

[AK-47]

Also see what azeri government does to it's own people!

 

Imagine what it can do or could have done to armenians in Arcax.

 

Animals man, anasoon en. Gnochal harvadzetsin. But as long as they do this to themselves, i'll stop complaining lol.

[joseph parikian]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khojaly_Massacre

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagorno-Karabakh_War

 

This is a great black blot on our otherwise heroic victory. If Armenians are/were responsible, something should be done to about it.

 

 

 

I agree with you

 

we should honer and thank the Armenians who defended their Homeland

 

 

[hosank]

times like these make me wish i was an azeri policeman...(scratch the 'azeri' part)..

but i mean, honestly, you guys can admit it..

while watching the cops plow into the protest, didn't you wish you were charging into a croud of azeris? with armour, and a stick?...

 

ok quebecer, what do i not know of? please, quench my thirst from your deep pool of knowledge

Edited March 2, 2007 by hosank

[irlandahay]

times like these make me wish i was an azeri policeman...(scratch the 'azeri' part)..

but i mean, honestly, you guys can admit it..

while watching the cops plow into the protest, didn't you wish you were charging into a croud of azeris? with armour, and a stick?...

 

 

hahahaha

 

 

[Aratta-Kingdom]

INHABITANTS OF HOJALU DIED IN AGHDAM

 

DeFacto Agency, Armenia

March 6 2007

 

The Azeris themselves are guilty of the destruction of the inhabitants

of Hojalu, a political scientist Levon Melik-Shahnazarian stated in

the course of a press conference held in Pastark Club on Tuesday.

 

Being an immediate participant of the operation on oppression of the

firing points in Hojalu, Levon Melik-Shahnazarian noted the Armenian

party had documentary materials testifying to real events that had

taken place in Hojalu in February, 1992. He stated Armenians were not

concerned with the murder of Hojalu's peaceful population. According

to the political scientist, at that time the Armenian party did not

even have enough recourses to let the peaceful population go via a

" humanitarian corridor", start fighting against the Azeris' armed

units and then organize the persecution of Hojalu women, children

and old men to kill them on the territory controlled by the Azeris,

after which, in two days, to return, risking their soldiers' life, to

cripple the corpses. Moreover, as it is known, the Hojalu inhabitants

were killed in the suburbs of Aghdam, which was controlled by Azeris

till the summer of 1993.

 

Speaking of the Hojalu tragedy, a current anniversary of which was

celebrated February 26, the political scientist stated Azerbaijan did

its best to propagate its own version of Hojalu events, distorting

reality. In some countries Azeris held rallies, organized exhibitions,

demonstrated films devoted to the tragedy in Hojalu to convince the

world community that Armenians had committed "genocide against Azeris

in Hojalu".

 

The Azeri party's main "argument", video survey made February 29

and March 2, 1992 by the operator Chingiz Fuad-oghly, absolutely

refutes the Azeri propaganda's fabrications. As it may be seen,

Chingiz is walking by a filed dotted by corpses accompanied by

Azeris, which confirms that the territory was controlled by the Azeri

party. A supposition that Armenians seized the territories staking

their life to gibe at the corpses and then give way to the Azeri

operators is absurd. "Actually, we did not fight against corpses",

Levon Melik-Shahnazarian underscored.

 

The political scientist criticized Armenia's passiveness in the issue,

noting the Armenian party, including state structures, mass media,

had ignored the date and had not reacted on the Azeris' lie.

 

Levon Melik-Shahnazarian stated the Armenian party had video materials

and publications throwing light on the Hojalu events.

 

He also noted with regret that Armenia had actually ignored all the

memorable February dates referring to the beginning of the Karabagh

movement, pogroms in Askeran (February 22, 1988), in Soumgait and

Gandzak (February 26-29, 1988).

 

 

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the azeri-turks claim the bodies of those who were killed by the armenians were in all over.

 

only an idiot could make such a claim. one must ask how come there are no mass graves where the bodies would have been hidden?

[Error 404]

http://www.defacto.am/index.php?OP=71321485

 

EYNULLA, BE CAREFUL: AUTHORITIES ARE READY FOR A MURDER

 

 

 

The employees and editor of the newspapers ‘’Realny Azerbaijan’’ (real Azerbaijan) and ‘’Gundelik Azerbaijan’’ are again being victimized in Azerbaijan. As it is known, last September the editor Eynulla Fatullayev was put on probation for two years by the Yasamal regional court by the action of Azerbaijan’s Interior Minister Ramil Usubov. Besides, the above-mentioned newspapers had to drift for a long time under the authorities’ pressure. Today the editorial office is being attacked by the aggressive people calling themselves ‘’refugees from Hojalu’’. The article ‘’Karabakh diary’’ written by the newspaper’s editor Eynulla Fatullayev, which was published in ‘’Realny Azerbaijan’’, evoked their indignation. The article’s author doubted official Baku’s version, according to which the inhabitants of Hojalu had been killed by Armenians. Learning the facts and talking to the inhabitants of Hojalu, who had left the village, Fatullayev came to another conclusion. Here are some passages from his ‘’Karabakh diary’’: ‘’I met with the inhabitants of Hojalu temporarily living in Nafatalan, who openly confessed to me that... a few days before the attack, Armenians continuously warned the inhabitants of the operation by the loud-speakers, suggested that the civil population should leave the village via a humanitarian corridor, near the river of Kar-Kar. According to the Hojalu inhabitants, they used the corridor and Armenian soldiers behind the corridor did not fire on them’’.

The Fatullayev’s conclusions became the reason for his hounding by the Azeri leadership.

‘’I know very well who stands behind it’’, Eynulla Fatullayev told Turan Agency after an unapproved meeting was organized before the editorial office of the newspapers ‘’Gundelik Azerbaijan’’ and ‘’Realny Azerbaijan’’ February 22. The meeting’s participants shouted: ‘’Fatullayev, get out of the country!’’.

Nevertheless, Fatullayev also stated neither him, nor the editorial staff’s members said, ‘’the tragedy in Hojalu was not made by the hands of Armenians, but Azerbaijanis themselves’’. He also urged ‘’the country’s citizens and, in part, the inhabitants of Hojalu, not to believe such allegations’’.

We are far from the thought to credit Fatullayev with pro-Armenian sentiments, especially taking into consideration the fact that we know he maintains the official Baku’s attitude on the Karabakh issue.

However, Fatullayev is an honest journalist, whose publications on the Azeri theme are not appreciated by the Azeri leadership, which caused his current victimization.

According to a famous Azeri journalist Mirkadyrov, it is reminiscent of the events preceding the murder of another famous journalist Elmar Huseynov. In this connection Mirkadyrov recalls that the authorities ‘’murdered Elmar Huseynov, the editor of another opposition newspaper, Bahhadin Gaziyev was beaten to death and left for the dogs to eat, Ganimat Zahidov’s brother was imprisoned for drugs!!!’’

Reading the Azeri press and using our own sources of information we arrived at a conclusion that the history with the colleague’s murder, in this case the journalist Eynulla Fatullayev may repeat in Baku. We do not want to be clairvoyants, but we just have to warn: ‘’Eynulla, be careful!’’

IAA DE FACTO

 

Printable Version

 

[Aratta-Kingdom]

 

Committee to Protect Journalists

NEWS ALERT 2007

 

 

http://www.cpj.org/news/2007/europe/azer24aug07na.html

 

 

Supreme Court upholds Azerbaijani editor’s prison sentence

 

 

New York, August 24, 2007—The Committee to Protect Journalists denounces the continued imprisonment of Eynulla Fatullayev, editor of the now-shuttered Russian-language weekly Realny Azerbaijan and the Azeri-language daily Gündalik Azarbaycan.

On Wednesday, the Supreme Court of Azerbaijan upheld Fatullayev’s 30-month prison sentence on charges of defaming Azerbaijanis in an article. Fatullayev has been held in the Ministry of National Security isolation ward since his April 20 conviction by the Yasamal District Court in Baku. His family has been denied visitation rights, said Uzeir Jafarov, editor after Fatullayev of Gündalik Azarbaycan and Fatullayev’s trustee.

 

Neither Jafarov nor Fatullayev’s defense lawyer, Isakhan Ashurov, were notified of Wednesday’s Supreme Court hearing, Jafarov told CPJ. A four-judge panel affirmed Fatullayev’s earlier verdict in the absence of legal counsel and journalists. Fatullayev’s defense is preparing an appeal to the Strasbourg-based European Court of Human Rights, Jafarov told CPJ.

 

“We are shocked by the continued politicized imprisonment of Eynulla Fatullayev and the harassment of his staffers,” CPJ Executive Director Joel Simon said. “We call on Azerbaijani authorities to drop all charges against Fatullayev, release him immediately, and allow his two newspapers to resume work without fear of reprisal.

 

In addition to being imprisoned on a defamation indictment, Fatullayev is being investigated on a vague charge of “terrorism,” filed against him by national security authorities in May. If convicted, the embattled editor faces 12 additional years behind bars. In late May, agents searched both Realny Azerbaijan’s and Gündalik Azarbaycan’s offices for ties to terrorism, and confiscated all the papers’ 21 computers, in effect paralyzing the newsrooms’ operations. The newspapers’ staffers have been unemployed since, Jafarov told CPJ. The ministry has interrogated at least five of the journalists, according to local press reports.

 

Defamation charges against Fatullayev stemmed from an undated Internet posting attributed to him, which he said he did not write. Tatyana Chaladze, head of the Azeri Center for Protection of Refugees and Displaced Persons, filed civil lawsuit in February and a criminal complaint in April against Fatullayev. Chaladze cited the remark, which said Azerbaijanis were responsible for the 1992 massacre of ethnic Azeri residents of the Nagorno-Karabakh town of Khodjali, according to local press reports.

 

Later, press reports said Fatullayev’s April conviction was actually based on his 2005 article titled “Karabakhsky Dnevnik” (“Karabakh Diary”), in which he wrote that Armenian forces had given an escape corridor to Azeri civilians who would try to flee Khodjali. Fatullayev had published the article in Realny Azerbaijan’s predecessor, the opposition magazine Monitor, which folded after the March 2, 2005, contract-style murder of its editor, Elmar Huseynov. However, Fatullayev was convicted because of the Internet comment attributed to him, not because of this article.

 

The terror charge against Fatullayev comes from a commentary, headlined “The Aliyevs Go to War,” published earlier this year in the Russian-language weekly Realny Azerbaijan and written by reporter Rovshan Bagirov. The commentary focused on President Ilham Aliyev’s foreign policy regarding Iran. It contained harsh, critical language about the Azerbaijani government. Security officials did not elaborate on the charges or explain how the piece amounted to terrorism. The criminal investigation of Fatullayev on that charge is ongoing, according to local press reports.

 

With seven behind bars, Azerbaijan is the leading jailer of journalists in Europe and Central Asia. On August 2, CPJ expressed its concern regarding Azerbaijan’s press freedom record at a U.S. Helsinki Commission hearing on “Freedom of the Media in the OSCE Region.”

 

 

 

[Ani]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mLnkLUJOV6g

[hosank]

lol, the azeris actually beat turkey in that