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Takoush Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 Shad tsavali e. It's devastating to the survivors. I hate planes because a whole mass of people just go down with that darn plane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hytga Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 this is really sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nané Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Adler is considered the most difficult airport to land in all of former Soviet Union because the runway starts right off the shore of the Black Sea. Only experienced pilots are allowed to fly those flights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 The Way Armenian & Russian Governments have Handel the situation has surprised me. I would never imagine a such organised and devoted handling of all aspects this is the first time that i can say that Armenian Government di dnot bent his neck and asked for assistants and played the i'm so hopless i need help card.... so fare the way iit's handled makes me proud.... medical and financial support + transportation and memorials + victims children chan attend any Armenian or Russian educational institutions w/ no charge for life +++++++. All of this adds up and makes me fill good.... MOvses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 The Way Armenian & Russian Governments have Handel the situation has surprised me. I would never imagine a such organised and devoted handling of all aspects this is the first time that i can say that Armenian Government di dnot bent his neck and asked for assistants and played the i'm so hopless i need help card.... so fare the way iit's handled makes me proud.... medical and financial support + transportation and memorials + victims children chan attend any Armenian or Russian educational institutions w/ no charge for life +++++++. All of this adds up and makes me fill good.... MOvses hey, even Georgians stepped in with those voice recordings of the dispatcher-pilot conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lev7 Posted May 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 even the president cheaped in ARMENIAN PRESIDENT TRANSFERS HIS MONTHLY WAGES TO FUND OF SUPPORT OF FAMILIES OF VICTIMS OF A-320 CRASH Yerevan, May 5. ArmInfo. Armenian President Robert Kocharyan has transferred his monthly wages - 318,000 AMD - to the fund of support of the families of the victims of the May 3 A-320 crash, reports the president's spokesman Viktor Sogomonyan. Parts of the wages of the presidential administration employees will also be transferred to the fund. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armjan Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 have there been any other reports of armenian planes crashing in the past? is there something to be learned about the flight schools or types of planes we are using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sen_Vahan Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 Shnorhakalutyun tsavakzutyunneri hamar, hargeli HyeForum andamner ev @nkerner. Vahan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MosJan Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Russia To Seek French Aid Over Armenian Plane Crash AFP Moscow is to ask France for specialist help in retrieving the black box flight recorders of an Armenian aircraft that crashed in the Black Sea last week, a Russian minister said Sunday. "The aeronautical safety committee of the (12-nation) Commonwealth of Independent States will approach French specialists," said Russian Transport minister Igor Levitin. One of the Russian salvage team Sunday revised the estimate of the depth at which the recorders were lying to 450 meters (1,480 feet) from the previous estimate of 680 meters (2,230 feet). All 113 passengers and crew aboard died when an Airbus A320 operated by the Armenian airline Armavia plunged into the sea Wednesday as it tried to land at Sochi in bad weather on a flight from the Armenian capital Yerevan. "We need more detailed information on where the remains of the plane are. That's why we need the French equipment," Levitin told reporters after a meeting with Emergency Situations Minister Sergei Shoigu. "We have looked at the French experience at Sharm el-Sheikh," Levitin said. In January 2004 after a Flash Airlines Boeing crashed off the Egyptian resort, a Scorpio robot sent by France recovered the two black boxes from a depth of more 1,000 meters (3,300 feet). The black box flight recorders are not as far beneath the surface as previously thought, one of the rescue team said Sunday. "We can say with certainty that the objects in question are lying at a considerably shallower depth that the one estimated yesterday," Alexander Delyanov of the company operating the deep-sea research vehicle Kalmar. "French colleagues have told us what equipment they used and French companies have said they are ready to help us," Levitin said. "We can suggest to France that it take part with us in the search operation and the task of bringing to the surface aircraft parts and bodies" which have not been recovered, he said. The Armenian plane probably either came down when heavy rain forced a loss of speed, or was actually struck by lightning, according to an aviation specialist. Parts have been located at a depth of 680 meters (2,200 feet). The bodies of 32 of the dead passengers have been taken to Yerevan, Armenian Civil Aviation confirmed, with a further seven due to be sent on Saturday night. Rescuers have so far only found 51 bodies and seven of these have not yet been identified, Sergei Aristov, Russia's deputy transport minister, said. Investigators from the French government's civil aviation department were already at the scene Sunday, a standard procedure since the crash involved a French-built plane. They were not using specialist equipment of the kind employed at Sharm el-Sheikh to probe for black boxes. Russian authorities have been reluctant in the past to accept foreign technical aid in emergencies. When the Kursk nuclear submarine sank in the Barents sea in 2000 they waited a week before accepting Norwegian and British assistance. None of the 118 submarine crew was saved. (Itar-Tass-Photolur photo) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 not even 7 days after the crash and now it's open Season on Armavia it's wide open take your best shut togheq mardiq irents dardov tapakven Ehhhh~~~~~~~ http://aravot.am/2006/aravot_eng/May/5/st01.htm THERE IS NO ORDER IN THE AVIATION Aghasy Arshakian also declared that order must be introduced in our aviation; «The property of our aviation is our professionals. I have no idea about the died captain but it known that the airport of Adler was one of the most difficulty airports in the former USSR and the pilot should have a stage of 500hours of flights. I don’t know the influence of climate how strong was or perhaps the reason was bad dispatching work. There is discrepant information about it. Aghasy Arshakian informed that «Armavia» has about 2$million to Russia for air services. The deputy considered important to stress; «I say all these because I'm anxious and not for the reason that I'm from the opposition, I know all these, that's why I speak about this. And it is sorrowful for me that people who have been specialized in selling oil, or producing cement want to be specialized in aviation. Our tragedy is just this, everybody must be engaged in his business.” PARALLES «That airplane must realize Yerevan-Amsterdam flight by which my daughter must fly. I was informed about that tragedy from Moscow at 6 am and I was in airport at 7. Then I heard all news and drew parallels. At the first hours of the crash the fall of the airplane by 60 degree was being stressed. But now there is no information about it. Russian media was giving neutral information in that morning from which you would understand nothing. But when information was spread by our local media that the airport dispatchers were guilty Russian media spread a speech of a military man who had seen the exploding. Then the version of storm was spread in the news field. The 90% of the whole time the plane was in the Georgian territory and controllable by the Georgian party. The answers of the Georgian party about it aren't been given. We also learned that conversation about dispatchers of Rostov also had been. But there was no detail». VERSIONS Lack of fuel; The deputy Aghasy Arshakian also had come to a conclusion for a moment that the airplane was crashed because of the lack of fuel. The circumstance that the oil in the airport of Sochi is two times cheaper than in the airport of Yerevan gives reasons to think. Mr. Arshakian said «he is informed to such kind of outrage since 1990 when airplanes were half refueled then were fueled in other countries. We should notice that the Minister of Defense Serge Sargsian has denied the possibility of the lack of fuel and that the fuel was enough for realizing 4 flights. BLACK BOX Black boxes are usually found but there are also cases when they aren’t. According to our interlocutor it is simply impossible not find the black boxes because they have such technical structure which give signals even in the most difficult places. « I think black boxes aren't found when the information in it isn’t profitable for the more powerful side». Margaret Yesayan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 not sure if this article was already posted...but here it is... Armenian airline loses second jet Armavia has lost two of its five Airbus jets within days A plane belonging to the Armenian airline Armavia has been destroyed by fire - only two days after another of its jets crashed, killing 113 people. The Airbus A320 was in a hangar in Belgium that burned down on Thursday night. Three other planes in the hangar were also destroyed. Four workers were injured in the accident in Brussels. Meanwhile Armenia and Russia have begun periods of mourning for those killed in Wednesday's crash in the Black Sea. Most of the dead were Armenians on a flight from Yerevan to the Russian Black Sea city of Sochi, which crashed as it was attempting to land. The plane involved was also an Airbus A320. Russian searchers believe they have found the plane's flight recorders, at a depth of 680m (2,200ft) in the Black Sea. Ceremonies were held on Friday at the site of the crash, where relatives threw wreaths of flowers into the waters, and at churches in Armenia and Russia. Reserve plane It was not known what caused the accident in Brussels, where the Armavia jet was undergoing maintenance by the Belgian company Sabena Technics. It means Armavia has lost two of its fleet of five Airbuses within a few days. "This was a reserve airliner," said a spokesman for the airline. "We hope this accident will not wreck our overall flight schedule, and we will try and make up for the losses." Two other A-320s - one of them belonging to International Armenian Airlines - and a Belgian warplane were also destroyed in the fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 A-320 Flight Recorders to Be Lifted from Black Sea Bottom Soon 11.05.2006 15:39 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian /PanARMENIAN.Net/ Fragments and flight recorders of A-320 Armenian airplane will be lifted from the Black Sea bottom soon, Russian Minister of Transport Igor Levitin reported to Russian Premier Mikhail Fradkov. «The commission hopes to get exact information on the location of flight recorders and start lifting airplane fragments,» Levitin said. Besides, he reported that all necessary assistance was provided to victims' relatives, who arrived in Sochi. Search for flight recorders and fragments of the crashed plane continued in the Black Sea today, Interfax reports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Location of A-320 Flight Recorders Determined within 5 Meters 11.05.2006 17:40 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian /PanARMENIAN.Net/ Specialists have determined the location of airborne recorders of A-320 airbus within 5 meters, reported a person in charge of search at the site of wreckage. «Two measurements were done by means of French system of high-frequency direction finding, confirmed by Russian Kalmar deep-water device. The location of airborne recorders is determined within 5 meters,» the rescuer said. The data will be mathematically processed now. «Kalmar device, via which specialists hope to get exact confirmation on the location of airborne recorders, is planned to be plunged May 12,» he added, reports RIA Novosti. We remind that A-320 plane of Armavia air company, flying from Yerevan to Sochi, crashed on the night of May 3 about 6 km away of the coastline when landing at Adler airport. This resulted in death of all 113 persons aboard, including 8 crew members and 5 children. Undercarriage and tail of the airplane are found during investigation and search in the Black Sea. According to data available, the most fuselage is in depth and special deep-water equipment will be necessary for lifting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 A-320: Sochi Airport Dispatcher Disappeared 11.05.2006 14:52 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian /PanARMENIAN.Net/ Decoding and study of conversation between the crew of A-320, which fell into the Black Sea on the night of May 3, with the dispatcher are complete. However expertise returns are not subject to publication before the investigation completes. It is known that the plane fell when gaining altitude. The pilot failed the first attempt to land the plane at Adler airport due to bad meteorological conditions. However, when he was making the second approach operation, the dispatcher told him the weather conditions worsened again and gave a command to turn right and gain height. The plane fell, when making that maneuver, reports Lenta.ru NEWSru.com notes there is little hope to find flight recorders due to the complicated relief of the location. Besides, according to press reports, dispatcher, who led the Armavia flight from the Sochi airport and sent the plane that was going to land to make a second approach operation, disappeared. Nothing is known about him yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 BIG SUMS TRANSFERRED TO BANK ACCOUNTS FOR RELATIVE A320 VICTIMS On May 4, special bank accounts were opened at the Finance and Economy Ministry of Armenia to raise money for the relatives of A320 crash victims. By 3.45 pm on May 6, the total sum on the accounts amounted to 22 million 521 thousand drams. Armavia air carrier also has opened accounts at Armsavingsbank, Inekobank and Armeconombank but the latter refused provide information on transferred money saying they can tell it only to Armavia representatives. Soon after speaking to the company representatives Inekobank told daily Azg that by 4.00 pm on May 6 there was 2 million 357 thousand drams on the account. Armavia assured that it will provide information on the size of donations and will disclose the names of benefactors if allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Georgia Tries to Politicize Tragedy in Black Sea 06.05.2006 15:10 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian /PanARMENIAN.Net/ Georgia is trying to politicize the tragedy of the Armenian airbus in the Back Sea, former Chair of General Department of Civil Aviation of Armenia, Chair of the National Aviation Union, USSR honored pilot Dmitry Atbashyan told journalists in Yerevan. “Official Tbilisi tries to divide Russia and Armenia,” he said, when commenting on statements of Georgian dispatcher services that landing the A-320 plane in Sochi airport was not possible due to bad weather. According to Atbashyan, the data of Sochi dispatcher service could not be less reliable than those of the Georgians. «During the flight constant communication is present between the pilot and dispatchers of the taking off location and the destination,» he said, reports Novosti Armenia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 OU T@gheq@ yekan IDLE TALKS ON A320 CRASH Oppositional deputies of the Armenian Parliament are going to gather necessary 44 signatures to put on the parliamentary agenda the issues of examination of Armenian civil aviation’s condition and creation of a parliamentary commission to study the causes of A320 crash. In Viktor Dallakian words, our nation has the right to know the truth about the crash. Another legislative initiative will suggest rendering aid to the families of the victims in form of, say, monthly allowance or tuition fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 STORMY WEATHER HINDERS SEARCH IN BLACK SEA The search for Armavia’s A320 jetliner airbus has stopped, as the weather forecast promises a storm of 4 degrees in the Black Sea basin. RIA news agency informed that the French specialists arrived in Sochi. Their equipment will help carry out search works in deeper layers of the seabed. The new equipment will be installed on "Navigator" ship that arrived from Novorossiysk. Several items are revealed on the seabed, where the French specialists managed to get signals from. It is supposed that the signals come from the "black boxes" that are in the dept of 400-450 meters. The specialists believe that a more powerful equipment than they have at present is required for carrying out more effective search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 FINANCIAL AID TO FAMILIES OF A320 VICTIMS CARRIES ON Kemorovo region of the Russian Federation assigned 300.000 ($11.000) rubles for the families of Yerevan-Sochi flight victims. By May 10, the special accounts at the treasury of Armenian’s Finance and Economy Ministry had transfers of 43 million drams ($95.500). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 VOICE OF PEOPLE The reasons of air crash, which happened on 3 of May, haven't been officially declared yet. The truth will be appeared if the Russian part wants it. But if the investigation is delayed and is so called "died" we can say surely that the main guilty part is Russia. The awful disaster was a shock for us, the citizens of Armenia. For finding out how our society beared that shock "Aravot" ordered to its APR Group company to make a Gallup poll from 6-8 of May among 652 Yerevan citizens. First of all we were interesting from what sources our compatriots have got information. 6,6% has got that information from the milieu. Only a person from 652 members mentioned Internet as the source of information, which is pitiful, of course. It is also pitiful that radi? has 2,6% in this list. The main part has got information from TV companies; 30,4% from "Armenia", 10% from H1, 5,7% from ORT, 5,2% from RTR Planeta, 3,2% from "Shant", 2,6% from "Armnews". The percent of other TV companies is less than 1%. Nobody among 652 mentioned any newspaper as a source of information. But TV Companies can't be glad because only 12,6% trusts in information given by mass media, 71% "trusts partly", 16,4% doesn't trust at all. And what or whom those 652 citizens consider guilty for the air crashes. A part of Yerevan citizens are careful in their answers, "find difficulty in answer", it will become clear after finding the black box. And the first place among certain answers is the 'Russian dispatchers" answer, 29,6% which I consider reasonable. Second is "organized air crash" answer which is surprising for me a little /10,6%/. Perhaps a part of people is inclined to believe in sensational versions full of intrigues. Other versions are "use of weapon inside the airplane" /4,3%/, "conspiracy of foreign countries against Armenia" /3,8%/ , "terror" /1,8%/ Weather /8,4%/ and"Armavia" company 4,8%/ are also mentioned. And finally a result of polling which inspires optimism; "Are you or your family members going to use of air services during 2006". 23,2% answered to that question positively, 49,5% gave negative answer and 27,3% didn't know. So people haven't been frightened so much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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