Travel

[Takoush]

Rostom; I agree about one thing. Wherever you go, when you mingle with the local people, that is, eat with them, converse with them and make friends with them, that's when it becomes a memorable experience and that is when you really taste the country's culture and all else.

 

Incidentally, Florence looks beautiful to me. Eve now has so many places to choose from. Eve, you're so lucky to have so many of your cyber friends here to help you choose a nice place so you'll have a memorable experience. I think it's great.

Edited April 4, 2006 by Anahid Takouhi

[gamavor]

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Fly to Munich to rent a car from there as it is the cheapest in Europe.

Drive to Salsburg then to Insuburg then to Davos to st Moritz to Lake Lugano cutting thru Northern Italy, Geneva, Bern to Zurich and back to Munich

 

This is an excellent idea Azad. Some time ago we purchased for our parents' wedding anniversary an open ticket trip to Salzburg for the Mozart festival. Needless to say they were extremely happy, but for a trip with a car, driving all over Europe you need at least 3 weeks which is not very possible with our American annual leave.

[rostom]

I would defenatly advise Argenitina, I had few friends who just came back and were very pleased, from food to music and culture seanry etccc

 

 

If anyone is interested in going to Argentina, I have an acquaintance that owns and rents out a beautiful apartment building in the center of Buenos Aires. Email me if interested.

[Anileve]

I dont know exacly when is the trip planned but if it was like new few months I would defenatly advise Argenitina, I had few friends who just came back and were very pleased, from food to music and culture seanry etccc

 

with a currancy exchange rate with Argentina you get a lot for your money

oh yes, and you can tango till early morning hours

WOW so much great input. I love it! I don't know if I'll be able to reply to all.

 

Ed, I have wanted to go to Argentina for some time, one of my closer friends is from the capital and she promised that she'll be our tour guide when we go. In fact I would love to see all of South America, especially Machu Pichu, but it'll have to wait a little. I have my heart set on Europe for now.

[Anileve]

I enjoyed Holland & Belgium... I think Eastern europe sounds fascinating - you could go to Vienna & Prague, then maybe some of the baltic states.

 

I've always wanted to do a mediterrenean saling trip with stops in Spain, Italy (Sardegna, Cicily), some of the Greek Islands and Cyprus (maybe Malta) - get yourself on a nice sailboat with an able crew.... (I will tend to the galley!)

 

There are so many wonderful places, and such little time. We have 2 weeks to travel and it's not going to be for another 5 months. I was considering Sardegna and Malta. My father has traveled to Malta and had an amazing time, judging from the pictures it would be a very interesting place to visit. In fact it was my first choice in the beginning. Greece is another romantic and historical location. Vavachka, that sailing trip you have mentioned has been twirling around in my thoughts for sometime. If I get to it before I am inviting you and your DW. You can serve the caviar.

 

By the way, for their honeymoon, my parents drove around England (literally). They were fairly broke at the time so my dad fixed up an old Morris car and they said they had a blast! It is really not where you go or what you do ... it's your attitude that will make or break a trip. If you have too many expectations, you are setting yourself up for disappointment

 

Actually that sounds like a perfect adventure. And you are absolutely right, it's the company and your attitude. But it helps when a place can be filled with memories as Gam. put it.

 

My answer is certain - Italy. I hope you make it there before the "alta stagione" (high season), though.

As for places I'd like to go, how about a trekking expedition in Nepal or Peru? Or how about Greece? Spain? I have also been wanting to go to Croatia. OK, I am Mediterranean-biased. I don't know how the Seychelles would compare with the Maldives, but the Maldives are pretty fascinating, too.

Have you been? Which cities would you recommend? We are shooting for September, so hopefully it'll be less crowded. It's funny, Nepal and Peru were also among the candidates. I have been to Spain, and although I fell in love with it and want to visit it again, I think it would be better to go somewhere we haven't been. He's been to Ireland, so that is out of the question too. I've seen photos of Croatia, it really is lovely.

 

As far as Asia... I am not interested. Seychelles islands look very exotic but I will repeat myself, I am focused on Europe and the Mediterranean.

 

Madeira. Aaaaaah so many places!

 

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[Anileve]

Tuscany, Italy should be nice or perhaps Australia or Hawaii.

 

Eve, wherever you'll go I am sure you'll have much fun!

Tuscany is on my list. Australia, maybe in the future. Hawaii... not this time.

 

Santorini (Thera) in the Aegean is out of this world. How about Malta, with an amazing

cultural mix or perhaps the art region above the French Riviera. All were relatively inexpensive when I was there.

 

In the Pacific, Bali, if the Islamic revolutionaries stay quiet, and you can stop off in New Zealand nearby.

My friend traveled to Santorini, and the other hoppin little islands. She claimed that it was the most beautiful island of all. Malta, seen photos, I would love to visit, however, I did hear that beaches are not as nice.

 

 

South Korea

 

Personally I would say Italy and Spain. You shouldn't miss out on the Costa Amalfitana no matter what. If Europe isn't your thing Thailand and China come to my mind. I've never been to mainland China, but it's definitely going to be my next destination.

I've left my footsteps in Spain. Italy No Asia.

 

 

Rostom; I agree about one thing. Wherever you go, when you mingle with the local people, that is, eat with them, converse with them and make friends with them, that's when it becomes a memorable experience and that is when you really taste the country's culture and all else.

 

Incidentally, Florence looks beautiful to me. Eve now has so many places to choose from. Eve, you're so lucky to have so many of your cyber friends here to help you choose a nice place so you'll have a memorable experience. I think it's great.

 

I am lucky aren't I? I've practically know these people for over 2 years? And I am still intrigued.

[Anileve]

I would suggest Italy. I especially liked Florence and the western coast of the country. I've attached some pictures of Cinque Terre (north western coast), which is an area of 5 adjacent villages with the ocean on one side and the mountains on the other. There is a lot of ways to see that area: take the local train from village to village, hike through the mountains to each village, bike, etc.

 

If you choose to go to Florence, there is a very unique tour which I would highly recommend. Its a small private company that offers a variety of tours in small groups. We did the cooking tour where we went to a winery for a few hours and then to a local's house where we made pasta (the old fashioned way), conversed with the owners (they spoke very good english), and then ate the pasta that we had made in the local's home. It was a memorable experience.

I am very interested in traveling across Italy, especially the south. Both of us love Museums and Architecture, and little plazas. And I love "Roman Holidays," so out of respect to Audrey Hepburn we must pay a tribute to Rome. Venice is much talked about and one of the most Romantic cities in the world, I would looooove to sit in a gondola. Even though we have them in Central Park here, it's not exactly the same.

 

I don't care about the Vatican, I can survive without see the new Dracula pope. Florence is mentioned by many including yourself as the next best thing after Venice. Eventually it would be wonderful to travel south to see Napoli and the beaches of the Amalfi coast. Assisi and Tuscany are also worth a stop. Can all of this be accomplished in 2 weeks?

 

At first I was considering the tour package. You don't really have to worry about plans, everything is taking care of and you get to see a great deal and learn a great deal. But it can also be a little hectic, the schedule is rather harsh and I do like a little bit of a free time to get lost and discover a place on your own.

 

I remember when I was looking for a tour package for Spain I saw something about a wine tasting tour or a cooking tour. That sounds wonderful, but do you think it's a good idea?

[Takoush]

I am lucky aren't I? I've practically know these people for over 2 years? And I am still intrigued.

Eve; I am sure you're much more intrigued now by your brand new husband, right?

[Sip]

... I don't care about the Vatican, I can survive without see the new Dracula pope. ...

 

That's what I was thinking until I set foot inside the St. Peter. It is absolutely the most spectacular structure I have ever been into. The only word I can come up to describe it is "magnificient". Then I worked my way into the Vatican museum. Eve, I know it'll be hard for you to believe but I actually felt all emotional and stuff in the Sistine Chapel. One cannot comprehend the beauty of that place until you are actually standing there and looking up and this true masterpiece.

 

I could have done without the zoo atmosphere down below with the countless tourists flashing their cameras even though about a billion signs on the way and inside say not to do it. I could even MORE do without the rude guards that would kick anyone out immediately if they saw them photograph anything ... but I guess if someone doesn't know how to turn off their flash, they deserve to be kicked out.

 

But as they say, that was just the tip of the ice berg. One doesn't begin to appreciate and understand how truely anti-Christ the catholic church is, until you walk in and see all these amazing riches packed so densely in such a tight little place. It makes you go WOW and kind of makes you sick at the same time. It's weird. I highly recommend checking the place out though if you are in Rome.

[Anileve]

That's what I was thinking until I set foot inside the St. Peter. It is absolutely the most spectacular structure I have ever been into. The only word I can come up to describe it is "magnificient". Then I worked my way into the Vatican museum. Eve, I know it'll be hard for you to believe but I actually felt all emotional and stuff in the Sistine Chapel. One cannot comprehend the beauty of that place until you are actually standing there and looking up and this true masterpiece.

 

I could have done without the zoo atmosphere down below with the countless tourists flashing their cameras even though about a billion signs on the way and inside say not to do it. I could even MORE do without the rude guards that would kick anyone out immediately if they saw them photograph anything ... but I guess if someone doesn't know how to turn off their flash, they deserve to be kicked out.

 

But as they say, that was just the tip of the ice berg. One doesn't begin to appreciate and understand how truely anti-Christ the catholic church is, until you walk in and see all these amazing riches packed so densely in such a tight little place. It makes you go WOW and kind of makes you sick at the same time. It's weird. I highly recommend checking the place out though if you are in Rome.

 

Sip, you were 100% right about everything you've mentioned in this post. Completely agree, we were completely captivated by the Vatican, it was one of the most amazing sights I've seen in my life if not THE most amazing one. I take what I said back. Also you are absolutely right in saying that you realize how pseudo-religious the Catholic Church, especially the Vatican is. I am very glad we went.

 

I know I didn't mention much about our honeymoon, since we've come back. After much speculation we decided on Italy, and we were so happy we did. Our trip included Rome, Florence, Venice and off-beaten path Greek Island influenced Sperlonga. We had such a wonderful and adventurous time, so many great memories. I am so glad we decided against the Caribbean. In Sperlonga we got a decent dose of sun, palm trees and seafood as well as a 5 star hotel accommodations (the best hotel we stayed in throughout our trip, not to mention the cheapest).

 

Just to summarize my impressions briefly:

 

Rome - we fell in love with. Wide streets, many trees, the Borghese Gallery and Park (loved it), the Vatican, of course the Trevi fountain the very friendly people, charming architecture and spectacular food.

 

Venice- very unique layout and architecture, loved the mask shops (we bought a few for our family and friends and for us, and I couldn't resist purchasing a Venetian lace tablecloth), very romantic at night and there are concerts everywhere at night. The bad side: Venice feels like a sardine can, and this coming from a person who lives in New York. The mobs of people were overwhelming. There are practically no Italians living in Venice. There are no cars, taxis or bikes, the street layout is very confusing. We got lost many times (it was fun). The food is way too expensive and frankly it's very mediocre. The tourists are swarming like ants everywhere and taking pictures. The gondola ride cannot be romantic unless you do it after dark when it gets more quiet. We stayed outside of Venice in Murano (an island), it was very charming. Very quiet, nothing really to do, just Murano glass shops and a few Restaurants. But there off tourist hours you can see the locals having dinners either at home (I walked around peeping into people's windows) or in the restaurants. The food was fantastic there. The ferries were fun, but I did miss the convenience of taxis.

 

Florence - historical center was too small, gloomy (not enough sun coming through), a little shabby, not many trees. Great art culture, good food, the Ponteveccio bridge was a vision. Loved the other side by the bridge. Jewelry was a work of art and so were the prices. I bought some shoes I am very happy with, wish I would have bought more. In fact Italian shoes are beginning to be made in China as well. So soon buying Italian shoes will make no sense. I was appalled at how recklessly Italians preserve their art and how they maintain their collections. Most artwork is subjected to terrible heat, lighting and packed rooms of flashing tourists, not to mention that many beautiful paintings were crooked. I was very disappointed, you won't see this in New York, I didn't even see that treatment in Spain, very sad.

 

Sperlonga- it was our gem. It was infested with tourists, mainly Italians looking for a nice vacation by the beach. The beach was white sand and the water was very clean and almost silky. There was a restaurant right on the beach were you can order cold beers and fried fish, the restaurant is right on the beach so you can either eat right there or you can just take it outside and enjoy it under your umbrellas. The food was spectacular, lots of seafood and fresh pasta and pizza. On top of the hill there is a great little town with more restaurants (there are some right by the sea and others on the hill with a panoramic view), great little plazas, a cinema, a jazz cafe and some shops. We had an aperitif at one of the quiet cafes on top of the hill, overlooking the coast and a little town below and then had a feast at a restaurant afterwards. There was also a little grocery store close to our hotel, so we picked up some cheeses, grapes, tomatoes and wine and had a picnic in our hotel room before going on a walk. This little town is definitely worth a visit. It's not popular so it's less crowded and it offers excellent accommodations. We took the train there from Rome.

 

All in all it was a fantastic honeymoon, consisting of everything, art, architecture, food and the sea. I just wish we had more time to explore. Thanks for those who've recommended the trip. We took a video camera with us, so many of our experiences and memories are captured, it's definitely a great thing to do. We laughed so much and there is a lot that's recorded which we have forgotten, so it's great we have that as our video journal.

 

These are some photos from Sperlonga.

 

 

[Anileve]

For late spring we are thinking of going to Amsterdam. Would love to see the Van Gogh collection and see the famous tulips. Also I simply love the Dutch architecture.

 

We are on a budget, so we have to keep in mind how expensive the city itself is and how affordable are the tickets.

 

Has anyone traveled or lived in Amsterdam, any suggestions?

[Stormig]

Has anyone traveled or lived in Amsterdam, any suggestions?

Nairi?

[Anileve]

That's right, nairi lives in Netherlands. Naaaaaiiiiriiiii!!!!! Where are youuuuu?

 

I was thinking that perhaps 1 week is too long to see Amsterdam. Maybe we should combine Amsterdam with Brussels or another city in Netherlands. I am just worried about the language. Italian wasn't difficult to learn since I know Spanish, but it's getting a little of a mess learning languages. Right now I am finishing up my Spanish, combined with some Italian I picked up, the russian and armenian that I speak I am afraid I will end up with a Jambalaya in my head if I attempt to learn dutch and french.

 

Sip, would a trip to Germany be a better idea instead?

 

I am confused again, Amsterdam I want to see, but I am also very anxious to see Vienna and Prague and interested in Berlin and the Black Forest (the cake, the cake!)

 

The big travelers of this forum please speak up!

[Yervant1]

I was in Amsterdam in the late seventies for a stopover for 24 hours only and at that time every single person that I asked for directions they knew English very well. They are also very polite, I loved their street cars you don't bother the driver with showing tickets, the ticket machine is in the middle of the car you purchase the ticket and just keep it, they might have random inspectors who knows.

The city was beautiful and clean at the time and because of limited time I was able to visit only one museum near the palace of the Queen can't remember the name now but the paintings were great some in vacuum chambers.

[Stormig]

Ani, I second the know-English consolation. Same with Germany.

If you decide to see Germany, Heidelberg was awesome. And if you happen by Freiburg and incidentally do not have claustrophobia AND would like a two-hour primitive adventure, I also recommend the tour to the Schauinsland silver mine-museum (do check what days/hours they have the English tour beforehand, though). Oh and like you I can find my way through the Romance languages, so I don't know if it was the case that I noticed I had bumped into a language I wasn't familiar with or whether it was because Germans are nationalists, I came out of museums frustrated like hell (ex: permanent exhibit the Gutenberg museum in Mainz - visiting exhibits at the least are a different story) because I couldn't understand what was written in those damn captions - in German!! I think I actually learned some German trying to understand what they said, I tried that hard, I did. Bad thing about not knowing the language is you also can't remember the names of food/dishes. More details available if you're interested.

[Anileve]

I was in Amsterdam in the late seventies for a stopover for 24 hours only and at that time every single person that I asked for directions they knew English very well. They are also very polite, I loved their street cars you don't bother the driver with showing tickets, the ticket machine is in the middle of the car you purchase the ticket and just keep it, they might have random inspectors who knows.

The city was beautiful and clean at the time and because of limited time I was able to visit only one museum near the palace of the Queen can't remember the name now but the paintings were great some in vacuum chambers.

Street cars? I was under the impression that they only have bicycle cars. For one reason or another I was always convinced that Austrians and Dutch are among the friendliest in Europe. I wonder if they are friendlier than Italians.

 

Did you dine there?

 

[Anileve]

Ani, I second the know-English consolation. Same with Germany.

If you decide to see Germany, Heidelberg was awesome. And if you happen by Freiburg and incidentally do not have claustrophobia AND would like a two-hour primitive adventure, I also recommend the tour to the Schauinsland silver mine-museum (do check what days/hours they have the English tour beforehand, though). Oh and like you I can find my way through the Romance languages, so I don't know if it was the case that I noticed I had bumped into a language I wasn't familiar with or whether it was because Germans are nationalists, I came out of museums frustrated like hell (ex: permanent exhibit the Gutenberg museum in Mainz - visiting exhibits at the least are a different story) because I couldn't understand what was written in those damn captions - in German!! I think I actually learned some German trying to understand what they said, I tried that hard, I did. Bad thing about not knowing the language is you also can't remember the names of food/dishes. More details available if you're interested.

Oh I do feel claustrophobic at times. You know the scariest incident I had was very recently, I think I am the only person on earth who hates car washes. I've never been to a drive through car wash, until a few weeks ago. I can't tell you how frightened I was, my heart was palpitating with fury, I felt that I was out of breath. I couldn't wait to get out, it felt as if I was being buried alive.

 

I share your frustration. That's why I have a difficult time traveling to a country without some language preparation. I almost expect to pick up certain words that have similarities to the languages I know. When I don't know how to speak anything i feel as if my tongue is numb. I found that German has certain words that sound like Russian words. My grandmother knew some German and she said that their grammar is easier than French. Probably true. Also I remember that I met some German dude online, and we used to chat through an IM, this was before translation online services were popular, and I would surprise him by translating some of the sentences to German, he was so shocked and was completely under the impression that I actually spoke the language. Memories...

 

Have you been to any other parts of Germany?

 

I think you and I would have similar perspectives when it comes to traveling. However, I have to say that I thought Spain was more beautiful than Italy, I think I am the only person who thinks so. I was enchanted by Italy but Spain for some reason completely won me over. Now I have to compare it to France when I go.

 

And speaking of languages, recently I discovered through Bergman's films that I really love the sound of Swedish. It's a softer German, very interesting, in second place of interesting languages I would pick Brazilian Portuguese.

 

I was thinking of a few days in Amsterdam and a couple in Bruges, Belgium (gotta try the famous waffles) Have you ever been?

 

[Azat]

Ohhhh I wish I had time to write a long entry

 

Amsterdam is a great city and it is NOT that expansive. In general airfare to Amsterdam is cheaper than most cities in Europe because it is such a big hub. The National Gallery and also the Van Gogh museums are 1st class(National gallery has an incredible collection of Rembrandts)

 

Belgium is fun. I was there for only 2-3 days(cant remember.) it was a very expansive city if I remember

 

Germany is awesome. Berlin is a super great city. I never thought I would love Berlin thus planned only 2 nights thee and I am so sorry for that. Leipzig was very very cool as well. Hamburg is pretty cool. Dusseldorf was ok, Munich is the bomb

 

Prague and Vienna are also 2 places you should consider

 

Ok I have to run

[Arpa]

Ohhhh I wish I had time to write a long entry

 

Amsterdam is a great city and it is NOT that expansive. In general airfare to Amsterdam is cheaper than most cities in Europe because it is such a big hub. The National Gallery and also the Van Gogh museums are 1st class(National gallery has an incredible collection of Rembrandts)

Ok I have to run

Azat, please don’t shoot me, we love you. I know it is a typo.

Come to think of it. You don't even have a gun. MosJan does.

When you say "Amsterdam is NOT that expAnsive" you are right on the dot.

Describing Amsterdam as an “expAnsive” city sounds comical, as the entire country of Holland is no bigger than a “postage stamp”.

“expAnsive” means wide and large. Without looking it out, it probably means “ex-pans-pais/out of land”. Once again, without resorting to a dictionary “expEnsive” (the correct spelling), seems to mean “ex-pense/out of thought/out of mind“. Would the Armenian variant be “arta-mit/արտա- միտ”?

Don’t mind me. I am hare/hair-brained/mazamit/մազամիտ.

 

 

[Anileve]

Azatyushkin, I just can't believe how much you've traveled. I get so excited every time I prepare for a vacation. I remember talking to you about Spain, last year I got so much interesting input from everyone.

 

So is Spain your favorite still? By the way I remember when you were trying to convince me that Madrid is worth seing and it's a beautiful city. I am so glad I listened to you, I loved it.

 

I have considered Prague and Vienna. We have only one week and a limited budget (I've never really been disciplined in the budget department, so I don't know what to expect), plus I don't have the time to learn a completely new language (the reason why we are delaying the trip to France).

 

I was told that Prague is gorgeous, people are not very forthcoming and there is a language barrier. But it's affordable.

 

Vienna is gorgeous, but expensive.

 

Brussels is definitely expensive, but Bruges is more affordable, and I was thinking to spend only 2 days there.

 

I don't know, should we just go visit Germany instead? It's just so tough, because we only have one week.

[Anileve]

Azat, please don’t shoot me, we love you. I know it is a typo.

Come to think of it. You don't even have a gun. MosJan does.

When you say "Amsterdam is NOT that expAnsive" you are right on the dot.

Describing Amsterdam as an “expAnsive” city sounds comical, as the entire country of Holland is no bigger than a “postage stamp”.

“expAnsive” means wide and large. Without looking it out, it probably means “ex-pans-pais/out of land”. Once again, without resorting to a dictionary “expEnsive” (the correct spelling), seems to mean “ex-pense/out of thought/out of mind“. Would the Armenian variant be “arta-mit/արտա- միտ”?

Don’t mind me. I am hare/hair-brained/mazamit/մազամիտ.

As expected, a very expAnsive and valuable input from you.

[Arpa]

As expected, a very expAnsive and valuable input from you.

Yes dear Ani,

How come you did not spell it "expActed"?

And.... mercifully, you did not use the plural form of "input"!

:goof:

Edited March 28, 2007 by Arpa

[Anileve]

Yes dear Ani,

How come you did not spell it "expActed"?

And.... mercifully, you id not use the plural form of "input"!

:goof:

 

And you mercifully id catch it.

Edited March 28, 2007 by Anileve

[nairi]

That's right, nairi lives in Netherlands. Naaaaaiiiiriiiii!!!!! Where are youuuuu?

 

I was thinking that perhaps 1 week is too long to see Amsterdam.

 

Depends on what you're planning. If it's just museums and walking about the canals, you'll be done quite quickly. (Don't forget to visit the Armenian Church on Kromboomsloot). Other cities of interest could be The Hague and Delft. By train from Amsterdam, The Hague and Delft are on the way to Brussels. If you're interested in a miniature Glendale in Holland, you might want to stop by Almelo (though I wouldn't recommend this ).

 

Language shouldn't be an issue in Holland or Belgium. Practically everyone speaks or understands English.

 

Be careful with drugs in Amsterdam, though, if you are planning to visit a coffeeshop. First of all, they'll rip you off. Secondly, they'll sell you crap. Thirdly, you might accidentally smoke too much (just because they roll joints with tobacco does not mean that the effect is weak -- a mistake many American tourists make).

[Anileve]

Depends on what you're planning. If it's just museums and walking about the canals, you'll be done quite quickly. (Don't forget to visit the Armenian Church on Kromboomsloot). Other cities of interest could be The Hague and Delft. By train from Amsterdam, The Hague and Delft are on the way to Brussels. If you're interested in a miniature Glendale in Holland, you might want to stop by Almelo (though I wouldn't recommend this ).

 

Language shouldn't be an issue in Holland or Belgium. Practically everyone speaks or understands English.

 

Be careful with drugs in Amsterdam, though, if you are planning to visit a coffeeshop. First of all, they'll rip you off. Secondly, they'll sell you crap. Thirdly, you might accidentally smoke too much (just because they roll joints with tobacco does not mean that the effect is weak -- a mistake many American tourists make).

 

Definitely about museums and canals, and want to visit a jazz cafe. Actually visiting an Armenian church wouldn't be a bad idea, although not religious I do like the architecture of old churches or cathedral. I'll never forget Alhambra.

 

So happy about the language, thanks to stormy and yerevant and you for dispelling my linguistic fears.

 

I will have to agree with you regarding Glendale. Absolutely not interested.

 

Have you been to Bruges? How about Harleem, worth it? Or should I do Amsterdam and take a train to a town in Germany? Or just Holland? Come on nairi, need your vast expertise here.

 

Rolling in the grass is another topic.