Christianity

[voghormatz]

http://www.churchofreality.org/wisdom/future_of_religion/

 

 

For example, the Jesus story. I never believed it. But I did assume that it was at least based on some guy who actually did live around that time. As it turn out, I was wrong. I now know that Jesus to 100% fictional and never existed on any real form whatsoever. I found that out by researching on the Internet and discovering things that I didn't know. Things that I probably would never have found in the pre Internet days. I found out that there were dozens of fictional figures that predated the Jesus story that had all the elements of the life of Christ. They already had a God as father, virgin mother, mass slaying of children, miraculous healings, raising people from the dead, being crucified, and rising from the dead on the third day. The writers who made up the Jesus story didn't even make it original The plagiarized the fiction of the times.

 

With this kind of information becoming more available it puts pressure on fiction based religions to explain themselves and raises doubts about if the underlying narratives are in fact true. If Christians for example figured out that Jesus wasn't real, would they still believe in him? I would hope that most of them would not. Thus if a religion is based on fiction then this information age becomes a threat to their religious foundation. I would think that if Jesus goes away then Christianity goes away with it.

[Yervant1]

Voghormatz have risen from the dead, gave up the spelling business now he's into the business of religion any takers? Edited March 18, 2006 by Yervant1

[voghormatz]

Voghormatz have risen from the dead, gave up the spelling business now he's into the business of religion any takers?

 

This Armenian forum is dead just like every other one...

[vava]

And you're here to save us?

[MosJan]

do we start worshiping him now ?? after his book will be handwritten ???

[aSoldier]

First maybe if you knew Arpa a bit better you would realize what a knowledgeable man he is and one who HAS gone a long way in his life. Somewhere where you would dream of getting to...

 

And for a journalism major you are such a man of few words. You should consider changing your major to something else as it is evident you are no writer.

 

Ha! Sasun summed up what Arpas knowledge amounts to very well.

 

Somewhere I would dream of getting to? You have no idea...

 

I hope this doesn't break your heart Azat, but I won't change my major. Do you have a problem with that? Because if you do, you can drop it in my suggestion box and I might think about it

 

Oh, and you'll get far with your attitude aswell

[vava]

Seb - stop the personal insults. There's a reason why the other thread was closed. We don't need more flame wars, that other thread was bad enough. Alright?

[Yervant1]

do we start worshiping him now ?? after his book will be handwritten ???

After we become Voghormatz.

[aSoldier]

Seb - stop the personal insults. There's a reason why the other thread was closed. We don't need more flame wars, that other thread was bad enough. Alright?

 

[insult]: abuse: a rude expression intended to offend or hurt;

[Zartonk]

Why?

 

 

WHY..?!

 

Haven't we been through this enough? No, seriously...

 

I mean, me, I rather have a slow forum than one were it's NOTHING but the Christian camp hurling their view at the non-Christians and vice versa OVER and OVER and OVER...

 

It is just SO tired...!

 

Get over it,

 

Next religion/faith/idea/topic,

 

movin' on!

Edited March 19, 2006 by Zartonk

[ED]

Zartonq jan,

 

some day you are going to grow up to be a very wiser person

among all, you said the most, which makes seance!

 

and this is for all,

respect others belives, only this way we and humanity can achive harmony and peace

but lets start from this small forum

 

anyone who offends others belives I would sudgest admistration to give warning to that person, if members need to refresh the CC of this forum, please go and read again for the sake of God, Budda, Aramazd, Krishna, satana etc........so there wont be any misunderstanding

 

one of the most imprtant bulding blocks of sociaity is TOLARANCE, and UNDERSTANDING, no one is same, no one worships the same way, more-ever no one belives in a same way, but most of all, and especialy for us Armenians, defarances in faith and how we look at them, should be put secondary.

[Azat]

I am sorry but moderators need to practice the Code of conduct before that can expect the members to even look at it.

 

When you have a moderator who continuously attacks a fellow member on this forum there is NO way I will ever follow one singe word from the Code of Conduct.

[Azat]

Ha! Sasun summed up what Arpas knowledge amounts to very well.

 

Somewhere I would dream of getting to? You have no idea...

 

I hope this doesn't break your heart Azat, but I won't change my major. Do you have a problem with that? Because if you do, you can drop it in my suggestion box and I might think about it

 

Oh, and you'll get far with your attitude aswell

 

 

who knew you were a fortune teller as well? Do you wear one of those funny hats too?

Edited March 19, 2006 by Azat

[aSoldier]

 

enough already.

[Yervant1]

http://bestbuygeorge.com/onlinecatalog/rel...eligious106.BMP

[armjan]

yeah, i have to agree that i am personally sick and tired of these dumb messages being posted to disprove someone's faith.

 

if a thoelogy works out for someone, then why is it any of your biz to tell them otherwise?

why don't u instead spend this time with your children so that they don't become a liability for rest of society.

 

the BIGGEST problem today is not chrisitanity, but the fact that parents dont' take care of their children. AMOT TZEZ. go teach your kids a thing or to before you waste a few kb of text in cyber space.

[Stalker]

Hello Voghormatz,

 

It seems you're axioms are wrong. You said « X is the myth implies X didn't exist » but is it sure that myths are totally invented and without historical bases? Some historians and philosophers like René Girard have revealed the roots of all myths through what we call the « mechanism of the scapegoat »: when a community tries to recreate its unity against the elimination of a innocent victim and finally deify this scapegoat. This mechanism is true for myths like Oedipus but also for many persecutions in history, even for the armenian genocide. Besides this mechanism doesn't apply to christianity. In facts christianity carries in its own bases the destruction of the mythological processes. From the beginning of the Bible where God condemns the murder of Abel the innocent by Cain to the end where the Passion of the Christ reveals fully this mechanism and its symptoms, proclaming the innocence of the Christ « hated without a cause ».

[aSoldier]

yeah, i have to agree that i am personally sick and tired of these dumb messages being posted to disprove someone's faith.

 

if a thoelogy works out for someone, then why is it any of your biz to tell them otherwise?

why don't u instead spend this time with your children so that they don't become a liability for rest of society.

 

the BIGGEST problem today is not chrisitanity, but the fact that parents dont' take care of their children. AMOT TZEZ. go teach your kids a thing or to before you waste a few kb of text in cyber space.

 

Well said.

[Yervant1]

yeah, i have to agree that i am personally sick and tired of these dumb messages being posted to disprove someone's faith.

 

if a thoelogy works out for someone, then why is it any of your biz to tell them otherwise?

why don't u instead spend this time with your children so that they don't become a liability for rest of society.

 

the BIGGEST problem today is not chrisitanity, but the fact that parents dont' take care of their children. AMOT TZEZ. go teach your kids a thing or to before you waste a few kb of text in cyber space.

But you didn't mind making your business to tell others what to do.

[armjan]

But you didn't mind making your business to tell others what to do.

 

Do not look where you fell, but where you slipped.

[Sip]

In facts christianity carries in its own bases the destruction of the mythological processes. From the beginning of the Bible where God condemns the murder of Abel the innocent by Cain to the end where the Passion of the Christ reveals fully this mechanism and its symptoms, proclaming the innocence of the Christ « hated without a cause ».

 

Man!!!! NOW we're getting somewhere. That is the Christianity I wouldn't mind being associated with. The philosophies, the teachings of Christ, the moral and life lessons, all the good stuff.

 

Why can't pepole focus on the good things of Christianity as opposed to trying to insist all this rediculous irrelevant nonsense about ghosts and goblins and afterlife and what God will do and what God should do and what character in what word of what verse of what page of the bible was capitalized or what puncuation followed which verse ad nauseam ad infinitum and then repeat over and over ...

 

For a long time I was quite content being associated with Christianity and trying to incorporate its moral lessons in my life. I can't recall how many times I have for example personally done the "turn the other cheek" thing. And it has worked very well for me ... I have been quite happy and satisfied with the kind of person I had become. However, the more I realized that there were so many people that actually believed all those Christian metaphores, symbols, fables, and scriptures LITERALLY, the more disgusted I became with the whole ordeal. And in addition to the nonsense, the snobish, elitist, "I am better than thou" attitudes portrayed by so many supposedly "enlightened" Christians sickens me even more ... Why do people have to take something that could be so very valuable and worthwhile, and turn it into absolute garbage with their sitgma, dogma, superstitions, arrogance, and plain old ignorance?

 

It has now reached a point where I realize I don't need all that to be a good person. And instead of trying to associate myself with something that has sooooooooo many negatives (in my opinion) in addition to some of the positives left over, I have basically made the decision to not consider myself a "Christian". If anyone out there thinks that makes me a bad person or that I am going to Hell, then screw you ... it's your problem so deal with it.

Edited March 20, 2006 by Sip

[aSoldier]

Man!!!! NOW we're getting somewhere. That is the Christianity I wouldn't mind being associated with. The philosophies, the teachings of Christ, the moral and life lessons, all the good stuff.

 

Why can't pepole focus on the good things of Christianity as opposed to trying to insist all this rediculous irrelevant nonsense about ghosts and goblins and afterlife and what God will do and what God should do and what character in what word of what verse of what page of the bible was capitalized or what puncuation followed which verse ad nauseam ad infinitum and then repeat over and over ...

 

For a long time I was quite content being associated with Christianity and trying to incorporate its moral lessons in my life. I can't recall how many times I have for example personally done the "turn the other cheek" thing. And it has worked very well for me ... I have been quite happy and satisfied with the kind of person I had become. However, the more I realized that there were so many people that actually believed all those Christian metaphores, symbols, fables, and scriptures LITERALLY, the more disgusted I became with the whole ordeal. And in addition to the nonsense, the snobish, elitist, "I am better than thou" attitudes portrayed by so many supposedly "enlightened" Christians sickens me even more ... Why do people have to take something that could be so very valuable and worthwhile, and turn it into absolute garbage with their sitgma, dogma, superstitions, arrogance, and plain old ignorance?

 

It has now reached a point where I realize I don't need all that to be a good person. And instead of trying to associate myself with something that has sooooooooo many negatives (in my opinion) in addition to some of the positives left over, I have basically made the decision to not consider myself a "Christian". If anyone out there thinks that makes me a bad person or that I am going to Hell, then screw you ... it's your problem so deal with it.

 

Hello again Sip

 

Honestly, I'm confused by what you mean, a "good/bad side of Christianity"?

 

& you know that those "Christians" who DO have the mindset that they are better than others, they're what we call 'hypocrites'. And yeah it's human nature to say Christianity has brought out a lot of these hypocrites so there must be something wrong with the faith; I hope you don't think that because it couldn't be further from the truth. Those that judge, ridicule and put down non-believers are not practising the faith at all, so don't worry what others do; focus on God and his Holiness for He will direct your path

 

We aren't perfect, but we serve a perfect God.

[Takoush]

Hi Sip:

 

If you lived your life and accepted Christianity in the form that you have accepted and liked it initially then I quite honestly hoped that you haven't gone further than that at least for a while. I am glad to hear what I heard above. Just remember one thing about Christianity and Christ Himself says it too. "NOBODY BUT NOBODY IS BETTER THAN THOU". Remember, that we are all humans and we are all to be humanly mistaken in life. If you don't like to be brought forth and reminded of the scriptures, then I really understand you; because for a long time I didn't read the scriptures myself.

 

So my suggestion is this. Go on believing and knowing what you have initially known about Christ and some of His teachings. I suggest for now to go on the same way you were doing and believing in it. Later in life when you want to probe into it more and when you feel you're ready, if you are ready and only if you want to, then worry about it when you cross that bridge. Ok pal?

Edited March 20, 2006 by Anahid Takouhi

[Yervant1]

Do not look where you fell, but where you slipped.

Is this Philosophy 101 or was it High School? Even better is it as I do or as I say?

[voghormatz]

Man!!!! NOW we're getting somewhere. That is the Christianity I wouldn't mind being associated with. The philosophies, the teachings of Christ, the moral and life lessons, all the good stuff.

 

Why can't pepole focus on the good things of Christianity as opposed to trying to insist all this rediculous irrelevant nonsense about ghosts and goblins and afterlife and what God will do and what God should do and what character in what word of what verse of what page of the bible was capitalized or what puncuation followed which verse ad nauseam ad infinitum and then repeat over and over ...

 

For a long time I was quite content being associated with Christianity and trying to incorporate its moral lessons in my life. I can't recall how many times I have for example personally done the "turn the other cheek" thing. And it has worked very well for me ... I have been quite happy and satisfied with the kind of person I had become. However, the more I realized that there were so many people that actually believed all those Christian metaphores, symbols, fables, and scriptures LITERALLY, the more disgusted I became with the whole ordeal. And in addition to the nonsense, the snobish, elitist, "I am better than thou" attitudes portrayed by so many supposedly "enlightened" Christians sickens me even more ... Why do people have to take something that could be so very valuable and worthwhile, and turn it into absolute garbage with their sitgma, dogma, superstitions, arrogance, and plain old ignorance?

 

It has now reached a point where I realize I don't need all that to be a good person. And instead of trying to associate myself with something that has sooooooooo many negatives (in my opinion) in addition to some of the positives left over, I have basically made the decision to not consider myself a "Christian". If anyone out there thinks that makes me a bad person or that I am going to Hell, then screw you ... it's your problem so deal with it.

 

Amen, brother.

 

Amen.