Three Cheers For Australia

[Maral]

Three Cheers for Australia!

 

 

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown.

Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state and its laws were made by parliament.

"If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you," he said on national television.

"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia, one the Australian law and another the Islamic law, that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option," Costello said.

Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country.

Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off".

"Basically, people who don't want to be Australians, and they don't want to live by Australian values and understand them, well then they can basically clear off," he said. Separately, Howard angered some Australian

Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.

 

 

AMERICA and Canada..... ARE YOU LISTENING?

 

Australia- The Right to Leave Our Country - YOU Have the right...................the right to leave !

 

 

After Sydney not wanting to offend other cultures by putting up Xmas lights.After hearing that the State of South Australia changed its opinion and let a Muslim woman have her picture on her driver's license with her face covered.

This prompted this editorial written by an Australian citizen.

Published in an Australian newspaper.

 

 

Quote:

 

 

IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.

However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia. However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.

This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom. We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, Learn the language!

Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push but a fact because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.

We will accept your beliefs and will not question why, all we ask is that you accept ours and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.

If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like " A Fair Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet.

We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means keep your culture but do not force it on others.

 

 

This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this.

But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, "THE RIGHT TO LEAVE".

If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted. Pretty easy really, when you think about it. I figure if we all keep passing this to our friends (and enemies) it will also, sooner or later get back to the complainers, lets all try, please.

 

 

Thank you!

[aSoldier]

Even I didn't know about this

[fakowski]

Pauline Hanson was right after all?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: just edited the font size & colour

Edited March 2, 2006 by vava

[Stormig]

Nothing to be happy about. There can be no legal basis in a democratic country for the system to get inhabitants with dual citizenships "cleared out" for making things with ID photos and the like difficult because "they like Sharia and we don't" when the clearest course of action is denying these people their ID's and making them suffer the consequences of their irrationality... There are plenty of Christian looneys - where do they go? Is the "fact" that Australia was "founded on Christian principles" (read "stolen from the aboriginals" for the sake of consistency in how folks are conducive to approach matters a certain way) in favour of the Christian looneys and not the Muslim ones? So what happened to the secularity, then? And spewing this kind of nonsense is not going to ward off any attacks. Don't people learn? Countries have the right to sieve immigrants - this is where the "right to self-defence" can be exercised, NOT after the fact.

[hytga]

pictures taken with covered faces? ha ha ha. this is awsome. someone posted a cartoon in humor section

 

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=1565

 

isn't the point of picture to show the face of the person. What if that person is invoved in a crime or missing. How are they going to identify that person?

[BiancaVella]

Three Cheers for Australia!

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown.

Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state and its laws were made by parliament.

"If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you," he said on national television.

"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia, one the Australian law and another the Islamic law, that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option," Costello said.

Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country.

Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off".

"Basically, people who don't want to be Australians, and they don't want to live by Australian values and understand them, well then they can basically clear off," he said. Separately, Howard angered some Australian

Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.

AMERICA and Canada..... ARE YOU LISTENING?

 

Australia- The Right to Leave Our Country - YOU Have the right...................the right to leave !

After Sydney not wanting to offend other cultures by putting up Xmas lights.After hearing that the State of South Australia changed its opinion and let a Muslim woman have her picture on her driver's license with her face covered.

This prompted this editorial written by an Australian citizen.

Published in an Australian newspaper.

Quote:

IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.

However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia. However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.

This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom. We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, Learn the language!

Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push but a fact because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.

We will accept your beliefs and will not question why, all we ask is that you accept ours and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.

If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like " A Fair Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet.

We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means keep your culture but do not force it on others.

This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this.

But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, "THE RIGHT TO LEAVE".

If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted. Pretty easy really, when you think about it. I figure if we all keep passing this to our friends (and enemies) it will also, sooner or later get back to the complainers, lets all try, please.

Thank you!

 

 

Right, I'm going to pass this piece of non-sense to everyone I know... I do agree to a certain point, that immigrants EVERYWHERE must make an effort to adapt to the laws and language of the country they are living in, but I cannot agree with a country that will deny anyone of the right to practice their religion and live a certain way as dictated by their religion. After the 9/11 attacks here in the US, "patriotism" took on a new meaning and our flag, our country's values and what it stands for where taken over by A BUNCH OF NUT JOB, CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISTS who gave all of it a bad meaning... It's pretty sad because know if anyone even dare question the actions of the government, you are considered anti-American and accused of treason. Your point of views are those of a hysterical person. Paranoid. That's the problem ignorance causes paranoia and paranoia leads to the hatred of those who are not like us. It's the same here in the US for the most part. The nation is kept on their damn toes with all these unfounded "terrorist threats" that are just waiting to happen. Which makes me wonder, if there is reason to believe there will be another terrorist attack, what the hell is the point of Homeland Security? God, I hope it's not just to keep us all paranoid and afraid of our Muslim neighbors and willing to give up our precious rights and privacy... As much as I hate the things the people in power have done to my country, God Bless America because the rights of those people who come here seeking for a better life have not been hindered. God bless Australia too, your Prime Minister is nothing more than one of Bush's lap dogs...

[Sip]

I've said this before and will say it again ... religion is the tool of the devil. I have absolutely no respect for ANYONE who makes ANY demands of other people to "allow" him or her to "practice" some religion. Whatever spirituality he or she feels inside and whatever relationship with whatever fantasy God or Gods or lack of Gods one wans to have, is all just that... INSIDE.

 

Once religion becomes a show-off piece to brag about how superior one's ideologies are (isn't that what all this "oh allow me to practice my bull" all about?), then that's when I say enough is enough. Take your God and shove it where the God don't shine.

[BiancaVella]

I've said this before and will say it again ... religion is the tool of the devil. I have absolutely no respect for ANYONE who makes ANY demands of other people to "allow" him or her to "practice" some religion. Whatever spirituality he or she feels inside and whatever relationship with whatever fantasy God or Gods or lack of Gods one wans to have, is all just that... INSIDE.

 

Once religion becomes a show-off piece to brag about how superior one's ideologies are (isn't that what all this "oh allow me to practice my bull" all about?), then that's when I say enough is enough. Take your God and shove it where the God don't shine.

 

 

...Okay, I don't know where you are from, but, here in America the land of the free, peoples rights to practice their religion and live a certain way are protected, wether anyone else likes it or not. AUSTRALIA ARE YOU LISTENING? I do agree with you that whatever one choses to believe is all inside and its a personal choice. I do not feel the same sentiment as you do about having no respect for people who demand freedom to practice their religion and beliefs. In the Christian and Muslim religion, there are some sick bastards who have taken that religion and used it to their advantage. Again, here in the US the majority of those who scream for war and the destruction of Islam are all sick, Christian zionists... so yes I agree that religion can become the tool of the devil. But I'm certainly not going to bitch about not being able to put up Christmas lights and complaining about others religious beliefs because they wont adapt to mine!. That is bullcrap because that is wanting to show off ones religous beliefs as being superior to others.... and by the way, I have noticed that there are some posts on this site which really degrade the Islam religion... very nice coming from supposed "Christians", so un-Christlike.

[gamavor]

and by the way, I have noticed that there are some posts on this site which really degrade the Islam religion... very nice coming from supposed "Christians", so un-Christlike.

 

If you only knew what Armenians went through you would have (maybe) change your mind. I really wish all those Moslem or Jew lovers to go and live among them, and then we will talk. But that is not important. What is important is that the laws should be applied to everybody equally. If the law says that you need to have picture ID, what is the purpose of the picture if the one that is pictured is covered with something? Should we tolerate breaking the law in order to protect someone's religious beliefs?

[Arpa]

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is bullcrap because that is wanting to show off ones religous beliefs as being superior to others.... and by the way, I have noticed that there are some posts on this site which really degrade the Islam religion... very nice coming from supposed "Christians", so un-Christlike.

Can we cut this BS about tolerance/molerans and show us the picture of that church in Mecca?

Below is the picture of a mosque right in the shadow of Christianity’s most sacred site, the Vatican. There are mosques in every so called Christian countries, they are sprouting like mushrooms every day. Show us one church in Saudi Arabia. Talk is cheap. One sided tolerance is nothing but a demand of subservience, just like the so called “tolerance” in Istanbul as long as one keeps one’s mouth shut. Remember what happened to Hrant Dink when he opened his “big mouth”.

 

http://www.chiesa.espressonline.it/dettagl...p?id=6953&eng=y

[BiancaVella]

If you only knew what Armenians went through you would have (maybe) change your mind. I really wish all those Moslem or Jew lovers to go and live among them, and then we will talk. But that is not important. What is important is that the laws should be applied to everybody equally. If the law says that you need to have picture ID, what is the purpose of the picture if the one that is pictured is covered with something? Should we tolerate breaking the law in order to protect someone's religious beliefs?

 

 

Woaw, hang on a second, I was only making an observation and I meant nothing bad by stating the fact that there are many anti-muslim feelings prevalent on this website... I did not intend to single out Armenians, but Christians in general. But now that you've mentioned it. I know that what happened to your people is not some small thing where one can just say "forgive and forget", however, are you going to live life using that as an excuse and calling people who believe everyone has a right to practice their religion "Moslem or Jew lovers"? I agree the laws should be applied to everyone BUT what I cannot agree with is someone complaining that they cannot put up a Christmas tree and wanting others to adapt to their religious beliefs simply because they are living in a country "founded on Christianity", which is what the original poster indicates. For the record, I do agree that an ID picture should not allow anyone to cover their face, I mean that kind of completely deifes the purpose of an ID. However, and I stand by this belief no matter what, people can practice whatever religion they chose and nobody, not the government, not the people of a so called democratic nation.

[Sip]

...Okay, I don't know where you are from, but, here in America the land of the free, peoples rights to practice their religion and live a certain way are protected, wether anyone else likes it or not. AUSTRALIA ARE YOU LISTENING? ...

 

Actually that's absolutely not true. You don't believe me, go and start a harem with some goats and chickens, or walk naked in the street, or get out in the middle of the street every midnight and scream "Astvats o Akbar" and just try to claim any of it is protected under your freedom of religion in this amazing land of the free ... you'll soon realize your freedoms stop VERY quickly when you trample on the basic laws of society (as Gamavor said).

[Sip]

Woaw, hang on a second, I was only making an observation and I meant nothing bad by stating the fact that there are many anti-muslim feelings prevalent on this website...

 

I can't speak for the entire forum but as far as I am concerned, I am not too picky .. I hate most "hardcore" religions equally. But I tend to hate the ones that are more "pushy" a lot more. And you can't really get any more "pushy" than Islam.

[gamavor]

...Okay, I don't know where you are from, but, here in America the land of the free

 

I strongly disagree. I really think that you need to travel more. Go to Europe somewhere. I can assure you that the most "free" in any sense of the word part of the world right now is Eeastern Europe. America is simply the richest, but hardly the freaest.

 

For Christ's sake in America you can't even have sex in the car!

[Sip]

For Christ's sake in America you can't even have sex in the car!

 

Do I dare ask? Sounds like a great story!

[gamavor]

It was not me, Sip. Friend of mine got caught in a parking lot. He just had inocent sex in his own car, with his own girlfriend, it was dark and the parking lot was causy and far from any public building. The cop just came by and asked him to open the window, and few minutes later handed him over a citation.

[captainccs]

For Christ's sake in America you can't even have sex in the car!

Yes, you can and it is perfectly legal. You can have sex in your bed, in your bathtub, on the sofa, on the rug in front of the fireplace, in your Jacuzzi and in your car parked in your garage. The problem your friend had was having sex in public places. You wrote:

 

It was not me, Sip. Friend of mine got caught in a parking lot. He just had inocent sex in his own car, with his own girlfriend, it was dark and the parking lot was causy and far from any public building. The cop just came by and asked him to open the window, and few minutes later handed him over a citation.

The cop would not have intruded into your friend's private garage without a search warrant, would he? He was patrolling a public place.

 

I don't want to be moralistic, but it is good to be accurate.

 

But getting to the point, if you are going to move to a new country, and I did, then you have to accept that country's basic laws. Once you become a citizen of your adopted land, you should have the right to mold that country to you beliefs, by legally accepted methods but not by violence.

 

If your chosen adopted country is the USA (not my adopted country) then, IMO, asking for the abolition of the Constitution in favor of Sharia law is treason. What should be legal would be to seek constitutional amendments to incorporate your beliefs into the Constitution via amendment. The safeguards built into American law would make it very hard to get those amendments ASAP. If you think that Americans want instant gratification, you have seen nothing, Radical Islam wants instant gratification even worse.

 

Three Cheers for Australia doing the right thing to defend itself.

[Dave]

In some Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia, Christians have very limited rights. For example, Christians aren't allowed to be build churches in the Arabian peninsula, and Christians can't enter Mecca.

 

Yet in other places, Muslims demand rights not as equal citizens, but as a privileged group with unique laws and legal institutions... There should certainly be a limit.

[gamavor]

The problem your friend had was having sex in public places.

 

A-ha, so if I have strong urge to have sex with my girlfriend I have to drive back home to my garage and have sex in my car! And besides how "public" is an almost abandoned parking lot with no public buildings around and people lurking around?

[Zartonk]

Christians have very limited rights

 

Add "and all other non-muslims" next to "Christians", delete "very", "limited", insert "no" after have.

[aSoldier]

Add "and all other non-muslims" next to "Christians", delete "very", "limited", insert "no" after have.

 

Christians and all other non-muslims have no rights.