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[zurderer]

EDIT NOTE: this topic was split from The Bird Flu Topic.

 

 

Zurderer in particular, the facts and our history and our past and what they did to us and how they want to conceal it to this date. Now after we explained to this guy or others as well who are reading all this; how could they still think that their history is the noblest on eath

 

should you talk instead of me?

 

every culture saw his culture and history best,I dont think armenians are much different. are they? or should I take all of your writing as joke?

 

And dont be a ...(couldn find true word) we wont harm our country so much (we killed a lot turkey. another genocide?) for ROA. She is not harming us, and I dont think she will have enough power to harm us. At least in 100 year.

 

what type of mentality is this, our people are dying, and well.

Edited January 18, 2006 by vava

[Takoush]

Listen, I said what I meant. When people interact with people even in their own nationality or with others in general, of course they have to deal with normal stuff as one goes along; btw, competition and sometimes enviousness which is among and including everyone, and not excluding any and all persons or nationalities. As humans we deal with them by talking to our friends, peers, pals and/or coworkers and associates.

 

This is a natural way of dealing with our daily aggrevations and challenges in life.

We obviously use our intellect and our psychology by dealing with our daily aggrevations and/or challenges. This is everyday life and quite normal. We're not talking about this here. You're taking things that are said in here out of friendship and out of everyday life stuff out of context and transferring it to matters of nationality. What you're doing here is taking things out of context as we say it in English.

 

Why? You Turkish people don't have any disagreements amongst you? Huh, huh, I'd lough at that. Your people in your country or elsewhere are tearing each other apart. Just recently, your so called wonderful government are wrongfully jailing Mr. Pamuk who is referring about the Armenian Genocide in a more favorable and but thruthful manner. What about all the threats and calling each other whores and bitches towards their own kind and their own intellectuals who gave speeches in Los Angeles lately and spoke about the Turkish Government's denials for the Armenian Genocide and that it shouldn't be; and other Turks like themselves are bombarding them with unlawful e-mails, hotmails and unlawful threats and the likes. And they could very well be jailed and sentenced if they keep it up. So, are you going to tell me that you people get along with each other? I'd laugh at that big time.

 

Think, rather than just talking for the sake of attacking when you have no grounds to attack. We're talking here about a nationality who annihilated and tortured before killing them more than 2 million of their own and helpless citizens. Including helpless women, children and the elderly; that is the Armenians. And since then, for 90 plus years now your Turkish government is still denying it and are trying to conceal thruthful facts by unlawfully paying enormous amounts of money to important heads of states of the American government and also threatening, bribary and corruption to the core of the European countries and governments. Your beloved Turkish government for many years now they even attacked our Churches, our Monasteries and even our cemetery stones; and they have made many of our Churches into minarehs. They have further refused to refurbish our Churches and Monasteries, so there won't be any traces of Armenians ever living in that part of the country. So that one day, no one will know that we even existed there. The same barbaric and unti-humanity and anti-cultural acts are being committed now right infront of our eyes by the barbarity of the Azeris. They have just attacked our cemeteries for that matter. And you are going to call these mass of people a nationality or a joke? I'd call it the behaviours of animals. Nothing short of that.

Edited January 16, 2006 by Anahid Takouhi

[zurderer]

Your beloved Turkish government for many years now even attacks our churches, our monasteries and even our cemetery stones and have made many of our churches into minareh, and they've refused to refurbish our churches and monasteries, so that the Armenians' traces will be diminished from the face of the earth.So that one day, no one will know that we even existed there.

 

You are talking rubish, I wont say turkey maintain them well, but Turkey dont deliberately destroy them.

 

I am at a small village of yozgat which is one of most nationalist city of Turkey. There was a small church (do you call it as chappel?) here, It is turned hospital, but most importantly It is enligthened at nights. We wont enlight our hospitals. So why do you think,it is enlightened? If you want I can sent its picture.

 

 

There is another church which turned mosque here too. This is a small village, but It consist two older church. So think about again.

 

did you ever travelled older armenian lands?you can see a lot church after 100 year.If turkey aim is to destroy every armenian trace, 90 year is enough. For exp, greece,After 500 year under ottomans, now there is almost none turkish herritage. Even cities who have large muslim majority have not any trace.

 

Armenian herritage in Turkey is not at good shape, but so ottomans and selcuks too.

 

They have just attacked our cemeteries for that matter. And you are going to call this a nationality or a joke? I'd call it animals. Sheer animals, nothing less of that.

 

You exiled one million of them, dont you think this would made them a little angry?

 

 

Why? You Turkish people don't have any disagreements amongst you? Huh, huh, I'd lough at that. Your people in your country or elsewhere are tearing each other apart. Just recently, your so called wonderful government are wrongfully jailing Mr. Pamuk who is referring about the Armenian Genocide in a more favorable and but thruthful manner. What about all the threats and calling each other whores and bitches towards your own kind intellectuals who gave speeches in Los Angeles lately speaking about the Turkish Government's denials for the Armenian Genocide; .

 

I dont know why you write this, of course my nation is divided with different ideas, this is a healthy thing.

Mostly ultra-nationalist cheer unity. Everyone should not be same.

 

and other Turks like themselves are bombarding them with unlawful e-mails, hotmails and unlawful threats and the likes. So, are you going to tell me that you people get along with each other? I'd laugh at that big time

 

 

better than bombarding them with real bombs. dont tell me armenian have no interest with mail bombarding.Remember you even accused people, because of they have different idea than you.

 

 

 

 

Anyway, this is no topic, we wont harm to our self with ilness, because we want to harm ROA.

 

This bird thing harmed a lot poor family. It looks like when you heard any thing related with Turkey you lost your link with reality.

[Takoush]

You are talking rubish, I wont say turkey maintain them well, but Turkey dont deliberately destroy them.

 

I have heard of cases that they have turned it into mosques, minarehs or animal shelters; and they did this purposely.

 

did you ever travelled older armenian lands?

Are you kidding? I'd be terrified to go there as an Armenian. My life will never be safe there as of now, I won't feel safe.

 

Armenian herritage in Turkey is not at good shape, but so ottomans and selcuks too.

 

I am glad you're the one who is saying that. And why should it be that way if your Turkish government is caring enough to take care of it's own lands?

 

You exiled one million of them, dont you think this would made them a little angry?

 

No. They have no bloody right to be angry. First of all those lands were Armenian lands not Azeri lands. Stalin gave it away to the Azeris, just like that. Secondly, Armenians over there fought with the Azeris man to man and not like the Azeris who attack minority Armenians and or women, children and civilians while they are asleep or alone and unattended. We Armenians don't do such things. I remember for many many years now, the Armenians were never safe living together with the Azeris, as the Azeris have acted in a most atrocious and a barbaric fashion with us. I remember many cases that my father used to read in the papers that the Azeris used to do horrible things to Armenian boys; like cut their genitals and horrifyingly dirty and horrible things like that. Just because the boys were Armenians. You call that civility and or humanity? You are so generously and lavishly talking about humanity; talk about both your nationalities; btw, Turks and Azeris.

 

I dont know why you write this, of course my nation is divided with different ideas, this is a healthy thing. Mostly ultra-nationalist cheer unity. Everyone should not be same.

 

Oh really? No, it is not healthy or right when you try to bribe, jail and bombard with e-mails and the likes, because you want to conceal a great and harmful huge Genocide against another nationality or nationalities, such as the Armenians for over 90 plus years now. No, this is not healthy for you people and not healthy or just for our people or our anscestors who were killed and massacred by the Turkish government. And there were others too; btw, the Assirians and as of recently the Kurds.

 

Remember you even accused people, because of they have different idea than you.

 

I didn't accuse people. I had differences of opinions and also stood my just ground as an "erkeg" woman/person. I am an individual with my own thoughts and opinions and I am not afraid to raise them every now and then and speak my mind or the thruths. Whatever the thruths at the time it may be.

 

Anyway, this is no topic, we wont harm to our self with ilness, because we want to harm ROA. This bird thing harmed a lot poor family. It looks like when you heard any thing related with Turkey you lost your link with reality.

 

You are talking here to the wrong person. I wasn't the one who thought that the Turkish government or the people might have done this to harm ROA. You are wrong, it wasn't me. I am a humanly person; and whether it's Turkish people or any other people, I would never be happy to see other people hurt, killed or suffer. When I see anyone hurt, I'd lend a hand to help them or remedy their wounds. I am not happy that you people are affected with the Bird Flu and I feel bad for the three children that died, as I love children, all children in any nationality. And I wished that this Bird Flu never happened in Turkey; because obviously it can affect also the surrounding countries. It's a shame for everyone, including your country and your people.

 

I also wish for the sake of ROA and the surrounding countries, that they all come to terms with each other and would live peacefully and harmoniously.

Edited January 16, 2006 by Anahid Takouhi

[zurderer]

I have heard of cases that they have turned it into mosques, minarehs or animal shelters; and they did this purposely.

 

 

well I heard only one case, It is turned animal shelter, It is a shame for Turkey.

 

But you dont understand situation, there are hundreds of church, Noone can maintain them as church, so they changed some useful things.

 

If others turned our old mosques to church, hospital or schools, be sure I will not be much sorry. This is better than destruction.In fact It is only way to protect, so numerous buildings.

 

 

But ofcourse turning them, stables, or other stupid things are wrong. It was a church, and respect was showed against them.

 

 

Are you kidding? I'd be terrified to go there as an Armenian. My life will never be safe there as of now, I won't feel safe.

 

 

I dont think your life would be in danger, but most probably you would afraid, no matter how people treat you.what do you thing?people are attacking every armenian, without reason?

 

 

I am glad you're the one who is saying that. And why should it be that way if your Turkish government is caring enough to take care of it's own lands?

 

 

is she? no like most third-world country, her respect to history is almost none, It was not only against armenian or greek manument but against turkish manuments too. Only large buildings are protected.(even they are not protected well)

 

 

But I hope, it is changing.

[Takoush]

I dont think your life would be in danger, but most probably you would afraid, no matter how people treat you.what do you thing?people are attacking every armenian, without reason?

 

Then what is the reason? Many years ago; again my father informed me of this; that a grand ship but not an Armenian ship, yet of another nationality, it has passed by and stopped at phosphorus. There was a prominent Armenian in it. The Turkish government knew of this and they took him down the ship and jailed him by force. Now, I know for fact that things didn't change much since then, though I am not a well known person; still, why should I risk going to Turkey myself knowing that such things may happen and actually did happen, even to normal people. I wouldn't feel safe.

 

Yet you want us to feel sorry for you people about the Bird Flu or other things; but what comes out of your mouth now about us Armenians?

 

"what do you think? People are attacking every armenian, without reason?" you said and you questioned.

 

So in your mind it's OK to attack Armenians, is that right? And are you now talking with any sense or humanity? And haven't you now lost your link and your sense of reality? It is you who lost your sense and your link with reality. Look very well in the mirror and recognize yourself; and what words comes out of your mouth and out of your heart.

Edited January 16, 2006 by Anahid Takouhi

[Azat]

To learn more of how the Turkish government is dealing with the Armenian churches please visit http://www.virtualani.freeserve.co.uk/ and read the articles from a perspective of a complete foreigner. And believe me I am not proud of the way Armenians have dealt with old Armenian churches but is is nothing compare to the mistreatment on behalf of our neighbors.

[DominO123]

To learn more of how the Turkish government is dealing with the Armenian churches please visit http://www.virtualani.freeserve.co.uk/ and read the articles from a perspective of a complete foreigner. And believe me I am not proud of the way Armenians have dealt with old Armenian churches but is is nothing compare to the mistreatment on behalf of our neighbors.

 

Here is the newer address. http://www.virtualani.org/

[DominO123]

If you want I can sent its picture.

 

I will be more than happy to accept the offer. Can you take few pictures of the outside and few others from the inside?

 

Thanks

Edited January 17, 2006 by QueBeceR

[zurderer]

I will be more than happy to accept the offer. Can you take few pictures of the outside and few others from the inside?

 

Thanks

 

 

I took picture at night when I was coming yozgat, so I have not much picture(infact only have this), It is enlightened(at least this show, they think this as a armenian church, we dont enlight our hospitals), and used as hospital, small building near to church is a private building, but I think state will buy it. In near time , a restoration is planning for church.(at least this is what I learn)

 

If I can find some time, I will take some pictures to.

 

 

 

 

This is an old mosque, infact first mosque of malatya, just for comperation. do you think turkey also have a policy against turkish heritage.

[zurderer]

Then what is the reason? Many years ago; again my father informed me of this; that a grand ship but not an Armenian ship, yet of another nationality, it has passed by and stopped at phosphorus. There was a prominent Armenian in it. The Turkish government knew of this and they took him down the ship and jailed him by force. Now, I know for fact that things didn't change much since then, though I am not a well known person; still, why should I risk going to Turkey myself knowing that such things may happen and actually did happen, even to normal people. I wouldn't feel safe.

 

There is a lot more knowledge for this occurance, If I am not wrong, Turkey have no right to interfere ships which pass bhosphorus. There are 60.000-80.000 armenian who live in istanbul, why dont you ask them, If there is a danger for their life?

 

 

 

Yet you want us to feel sorry for you people about the Bird Flu or other things; but what comes out of your mouth now about us Armenians?

 

 

Infact I dont say, you should be sorry, I said totaly different thing. But Turkey helped armenians at earth quake, and what comes from armenians mouth is much worse them from turks.

 

Barbarians, cultureless, evils ext..

 

 

 

 

So in your mind it's OK to attack Armenians, is that right? And are you now talking with any sense or humanity? And haven't you now lost your link and your sense of reality? It is you who lost your sense and your link with reality. Look very well in the mirror and recognize yourself; and what words comes out of your mouth and out of your heart.

 

 

No, I didnt, maybe I should explain it better. If you try to put armenian flag over agrı, or try to make a mass praying at a mosque(old church), some people wont like it.

 

This both think happened in Turkey, and even noone attacked them.

 

But If you try to provoke people, you can get be attacked. People are somehow defensive. If you treat normal, noone will bother you. This is what I said.

 

To learn more of how the Turkish government is dealing with the Armenian churches please visit http://www.virtualani.freeserve.co.uk/ and read the articles from a perspective of a complete foreigner. And believe me I am not proud of the way Armenians have dealt with old Armenian churches but is is nothing compare to the mistreatment on behalf of our neighbors.

 

I agree, this is a shame but this cite also show some muslim places too, their position is not better than armenian ones.It is third world mentality, not a policy against armenian churchs.

 

If It is you can nott find any of this bad shaped buildings, at greece you cannot find mosques or ottoman building even a bad shape.(except a little)

[DominO123]

I took picture at night when I was coming yozgat, so I have not much picture(infact only have this), It is enlightened(at least this show, they think this as a armenian church, we dont enlight our hospitals), and used as hospital, small building near to church is a private building, but I think state will buy it. In near time , a restoration is planning for church.(at least this is what I learn)

 

If I can find some time, I will take some pictures to.

 

This is an old mosque, infact first mosque of malatya, just for comperation. do you think turkey also have a policy against turkish heritage.

 

Zurender, we can't see much from this picture, but one thing. The cross has been removed, and the façade seems to have been scratched to remove engravings. Is this chuech still active? Also, I don't see from this picture that the church is 'enlightned.'

 

Thanks.

Edited January 17, 2006 by QueBeceR

[zurderer]

Zurender, we can't see much from this picture, but one thing. The cross has been removed, and the façade seems to have been scratched to remove engravings. Is this chuech still active? Also, I don't see from this picture that the church is 'enlightned.'

 

Thanks.

 

No as I said before, It is not active, it is now an hospital.(If I remember correct, there were only 20 armenian churchs active in Turkey)

 

For enlightning, If you look picture carefully, other buildings near to church is darker, and only front part of church have some light, because lamp is at the building which is infront of church.

 

for cross, well no idea, most probably it was removed old times.

 

 

sorry for bad english.

[Arpa]

C’mon Zur.

Fess up!

Why are you here?

My observation has been that those so-called Turks that come here may have an ulterior motive that they are afraid to confess. Are they looking for answers about their corrupted ancestry? It is obvious that many of them have this nagging question about their turkishness, as there is not such a thing, that it is an artificial invention, and that if there really is a real Turk they are in east of the Caspian, that they suspect an Armenian vestige in their ethnic heritage and they are desperately attempting to find that link.

Come out and confess. We will understand. The fact that you are from Yozgat, an Armenian town until 1915 is a strong indication that you may be searching the ethnic Armenian origin of your grandmother/grandfather.

Edited January 17, 2006 by Arpa

[zurderer]

C’mon Zur.

Fess up!

Why are you here?

My observation has been that those so-called Turks that come here may have an ulterior motive that they are afraid to confess. Are they looking for answers about their corrupted ancestry? It is obvious that many of them have this nagging question about their turkishness, as there is not such a thing, that it is an artificial invention, and that if there really is a real Turk they are in east of the Caspian, that they suspect an Armenian vestige in their ethnic heritage and they are desperately attempting to find that link.

Come out and confess. We will understand. The fact that you are from Yozgat, an Armenian town until 1915 is a strong indication that you may be searching the ethnic Armenian origin of your grandmother/grandfather.

 

arpa I am not from yozgat, from istanbul.I am here for just my job. will stay only 3 weak.

 

One part of my family fleed from edirne(bulgarian city), other part is natives of trabzon.didnt interest much. So I did not follow my blood, most probably It have some greek, bulgarian and turkish blood. But not armenian one.

 

I also dont care it, before Turkey, I was an ottoman, after it I am a turk, that is all. If one day, someone say all people who live in Turkey should call himself as ottoman again, and majority follow him I will follow him too.

 

this is not something related with blood, genes or origins.

[DominO123]

Zurender, we can't see much from this picture, but one thing. The cross has been removed, and the façade seems to have been scratched to remove engravings. Is this chuech still active? Also, I don't see from this picture that the church is 'enlightned.'

 

Thanks.

 

No as I said before, It is not active, it is now an hospital.(If I remember correct, there were only 20 armenian churchs active in Turkey)

 

For enlightning, If you look picture carefully, other buildings near to church is darker, and only front part of church have some light, because lamp is at the building which is infront of church.

 

for cross, well no idea, most probably it was removed old times.

sorry for bad english.

 

 

Oh OK, I understand. What you meant to say, is that the hospital that was once a church is enlighted. I thought you meant light inside the building at night. Here in Montreal, every hospitals have spot of light on them at night, and I think this is regulated by law.

 

Having said this, you can't say that the lights are on because it is an Armenian church, it isen't used as a church but a hospital. If you check, the engravings have been washed off, as well as Armenian texts on it..., there is no cross left. Briefly, it can not be said that the Turkish authorities are lightning this building because it's an Armenian church.

[zurderer]

Having said this, you can't say that the lights are on because it is an Armenian church, it isen't used as a church but a hospital. If you check, the engravings have been washed off, as well as Armenian texts on it..., there is no cross left. Briefly, it can not be said that the Turkish authorities are lightning this building because it's an Armenian church.

 

No, I am not saying, the Turkish authorities are lightning this building because of it is an armenian church, but because it is a historical building. we dont light our hospitals.

 

If I am not wrong, now they interest a ottoman jail, and a old armenian house, they will light them too.

 

I am sure everyone who can look this building can easyly see that, It was a church.

 

Ruler of Yozgat was hanged because of his atrocities against armenians. Most probably, cross and engraving were destroyed at that time.

[DominO123]

Having said this, you can't say that the lights are on because it is an Armenian church, it isen't used as a church but a hospital. If you check, the engravings have been washed off, as well as Armenian texts on it..., there is no cross left. Briefly, it can not be said that the Turkish authorities are lightning this building because it's an Armenian church.

 

No, I am not saying, the Turkish authorities are lightning this building because of it is an armenian church, but because it is a historical building. we dont light our hospitals.

 

If I am not wrong, now they interest a ottoman jail, and a old armenian house, they will light them too.

 

I am sure everyone who can look this building can easyly see that, It was a church.

 

Ruler of Yozgat was hanged because of his atrocities against armenians. Most probably, cross and engraving were destroyed at that time.

 

zurderer, I don't want to look like an @ss, but I am skeptical about the claim that you do not light hospitals at night in Turkey. Usually hospitals have an emergency unit, and the emergency façade is always enlighned in every hospitals I've seen, either it is this, or there are large windows in the entrance passing light to the entire façade, and even then, you'll see lighting systems on the exterior.

 

If you pay attention to the top of the building, you'll see the white covering on the rightest one, also, it appears that only one façade is left with anything from the original construction, the other walls have been reworked it appears, and I guess the entire interior has been reworked too, and there is probably nothing left in the inside that will make anyone believe that it was in fact an Armenian church.

 

That is the reason why I requested pictures taken of the inside. If the Turkish government would have lighted anything Armenian at night out of respect, as you seem to claim, don't you think that anything suggesting it to be Armenian will have been made obvious? It is like washing out anything from a Mosque that could lead people to believe it is one, deleting any scripts, carvings etc., reworking the entire interior and giving it another purpouses to a point that the building original purpouses and origine is totally unrecognizable, and then lighting it up for its historic value.

 

First, I need a confirmation that hispitals in Turkey are not lighted at night, and this each of the walls. You can bring me a confirmation by taking a picture of an another hospitals walls and we'll see then.

 

Also, I wonder if this is a typical hospital, there is a text we can't read, can you tell me if it is a specific unit (example: psychiatry unit...).

 

Thanks.

[vava]

For your benefit:

 

Light - verb, light·ing, lights or lit

1. To set on fire; ignite or kindle.

2. To cause to give out light; make luminous: He lit a lamp.

3. To provide, cover, or fill with light; illuminate: Fireworks lighting the sky.

4. To signal, direct, or guide with or as if with illumination. The building was brightly lit.

5. To enliven or animate: A smile lit her face.

 

So no you guys know that hospital facades are lit - and not enlightened, or lighted.

[DominO123]

For your benefit:

So no you guys know that hospital facades are lit - and not enlightened, or lighted.

 

[Arpa]

Before we get to the nitty gritty, maybe you can tells what your real mission here is. Why are you here at an Armenian forum? How did you find us? What were you looking for? What keyword did you use to find us? Why did you come here? To learn Armenian history and culture, or to teach us Turkish history and culture? Thanks, but no thanks, since we know all about that FICTION, aka, non-existent history/schmistory and that non-existent culture ala Turka.

Zur said;

One part of my family fleed from edirne(bulgarian city), other part is natives of trabzon.didnt interest much. So I did not follow my blood, most probably It have some greek, bulgarian and turkish blood. But not armenian one.

All that proper English grammar aside, some of our best contributors, including me can use some.

So. What you are saying is that you are not a Turk. We already knew that, as the only Turks are at the east of the Caspian.

Zur said;

I also dont care it, before Turkey, I was an ottoman, after it I am a turk, that is all. If one day, someone say all people who live in Turkey should call himself as ottoman again, and majority follow him I will follow him too.

Ottoman?

What the hell is that?

Is that another artificial identity formed by mixing Greek, Bulgarian, Bosnian, Mongolian and…. dare I say Armenian?

Is it like me being an American?

What is an American?

Is it Anglo-Saxon? Polish? Irish? Italian….. ad infinitum?

Is it Quebecois? Ontario? Mohawk? Apache? Comanche? Inca? Aztec? Canadian? US citizen? Mexican? Peruvian? Brazilian? Argentinian? …. What else?

C’mon guys, help me.

Of course! We cannot leave out the dark skinned African Americans, and the new wave of “brown skinned” arrivals.

So! Is Ottoman like being American?

You have as much ground to say that you are a Turk as me saying that I am a WASP (White-Anglo-Saxon-Protestant).

Did you hear what I said?

Turks live and belong to east of the Caspian, and all those who claim to be one will, sooner or later end up there, as they have no place west (and east) of Yerevan.

Never mind the Greeks, the Bulgarians and Bokhnians.

WE were the ones who let the likes of you set foot on these lands and WE will be the ones to see that you and the likes of you GO TO... HELL.

So! Pack up your yurt/tent and move to Turkmenistan.

Our commander Gamavor has a good saying about the matter.

I'll let him say it.

Edited January 18, 2006 by Arpa

[Takoush]

Shad lav esir Arpa jan.... shad lav.

 

You're so funny and you're great.

Edited January 18, 2006 by Anahid Takouhi

[vava]

In all fairness - i think this zurderer doesn't have bad intentions - he's obviously young, and a little misguided perhpas. I'm sure he's questioning his beliefs on matters involving Armenians... a little education and sincerity on our part, and maybe he'll become one of the "enlightened" Turks who finally understand and accept the truth behind the genocide - and become advocates for genocide recognition. That would be my hope - rather than him going to hell.

[ED]

Vava I agree with you, and I'm a very strong advicate for peace and diologe with turks, maybe some day we will live in peace with them but! it hurts every time an amature comes here without understanding the scale and the importance, the sensetivity of the AG making childish remarks.....this hurts

 

as much as they need to edjucate them selfs about AG, we have to contribute in that aspect for the sake of our future....this continues to be my wish and i see no other alternative

[zurderer]

Before we get to the nitty gritty, maybe you can tells what your real mission here is. Why are you here at an Armenian forum? How did you find us? What were you looking for? What keyword did you use to find us? Why did you come here? To learn Armenian history and culture, or to teach us Turkish history and culture? Thanks, but no thanks, since we know all about that FICTION, aka, non-existent history/schmistory and that non-existent culture ala Turka.

 

can I just come for fun? do you realy think all turks should have a mission over armenians? sorry my friend, but be sure we have much much bigger problems.

 

I dont remember with what keybord I come,It was so long, I saw this forum.

All that proper English grammar aside, some of our best contributors, including me can use some.

So. What you are saying is that you are not a Turk. We already knew that, as the only Turks are at the east of the Caspian.

 

No, I am turk, I am talking turkish langaugee, liking turkish culture, and my loyaltly lies to Turkey.

 

Maybe you should learn what is Turk,absolutely, it is not a genetic code.

 

Ottoman?

What the hell is that?

Is that another artificial identity formed by mixing Greek, Bulgarian, Bosnian, Mongolian and…. dare I say Armenian?

 

Not excatly, as we know, ottomans are muslims. I wont call greeks, armenians or bulgarians as ottomans, but minority. If converted of course, It changes.

 

So! Is Ottoman like being American?

 

Somehow, turk is also same, do you know last miss turkey is a black, she is calling himself as turk, and noone refusing it?

 

you should learn your enemy better, or it looks like you will sent some black mongol to middle asia.

 

 

 

You have as much ground to say that you are a Turk as me saying that I am a WASP (White-Anglo-Saxon-Protestant).

 

so what should I call myself? armenian? greek? mixed one? so should we rename our nation from turks to mixed ones.

 

what about you? what do you call half-blood or mixed blood armenians.

 

 

Turks live and belong to east of the Caspian, and all those who claim to be one will, sooner or later end up there, as they have no place west (and east) of Yerevan.

 

 

okey, understood.

 

Never mind the Greeks, the Bulgarians and Bokhnians.

 

I dont mind them already.

 

WE were the ones who let the likes of you set foot on these lands and WE will be the ones to see that you and the likes of you GO TO... HELL.

 

I think hell is a place, god knows, can you show us way? an otherr question, I hope it wont make you angry.

how will you do this?

 

 

So! Pack up your yurt/tent and move to Turkmenistan.

 

we are no more have yurt, we built our home to here, as you know it is much difficult to pack up, a house.

 

Our commander Gamavor has a good saying about the matter.

 

 

who is he?

 

I'll let him say it.

 

good idea, let others say it.

 

 

QueBeceR

 

If you look at picture well, you will see, its door is closed, and there is not any light inside of it.So I dont know why they should light a closed hospital.

 

First, I need a confirmation that hispitals in Turkey are not lighted at night, and this each of the walls. You can bring me a confirmation by taking a picture of an another hospitals walls and we'll see then.

 

not here, here is a small town, cant find another hospital, but when I change my place I will take some picture for you. most probably I will left place two weak later.

 

Also, I wonder if this is a typical hospital, there is a text we can't read, can you tell me if it is a specific unit (example: psychiatry unit...).

 

No It is not, it is called as saglık ocağı, they are small hospital, only basic operations can be made in it, not surgery, If illness is important, they sent people to large hospital.

 

Most probably inside of church also changed, It need change for becoming hospital, but I dont know how much they harmed it.

 

 

 

 

another picture, some night, It is an old building, now used as bank.

 

 

I think your mistake is that, you think there is a policy against historical building in Turkey, there was not, and there is not. It is mostly related with people who lead towns, some of them interest with history, and some of them not.

 

new mayor have interest at historical buildings so he lit these buildings.