What do you find about HOKIS????

[Pilafhead]

Welcome AG83!

 

I like Hokis. Especially "Dariner Antsni." The phone calls get old though (I had someone roughly translate for me).

 

They recently played in Los Angeles. I was going to go until I saw their appearance at the AMA. Sounded horrible! Hip hop seldom sound good live anyway, I guess.

 

Mike

[dragon]

Never heard them (yet), only read an article (AIM-Hratch Tchilingirian) abot their ''art'', which wasn't encouraging.

 

For me songs must have poetic atmosphere and musics must give some inspiration...

 

-Datevik (any time)

-Rayissa (specially her new songs)

-All work of Robert Amirkhanian

-Ruben Hakhverdian (for his synical lyric)

-Harout P. (who sometimes sings better than the ''original'' singer)

-Arthur Mesjian (philosophic approach-but not all the time)

-Armenag Shahmouradian - for Sayat Nova's songs

 

- Noune Yessayan-NIET! I cannot hear her! She is very much fake!

[armeniangirl83]

Know anybody the group HKIS from the UK? They tours over the world to give concerts. I was never on a concert of them, but i have bought a cd. The music is good, that's mine opinion. I can't understand what they say, because i don't understand armenians,unfortunately.

Go to them page: www.hokis.co.uk

 

You can watch little films, from armenian friends from all over the world!!

[TigrannesIII]

Whoever sings the opening to that song 'overprotective dad' needs to be shot. That's just my opinion.

[armeniangirl83]

hello,

 

i have heard that overprotective dad not a good song is. I can't understand Armenians, so anybody have told to me.

The songs who i lik is karine and genocide.

And i like the music, i don't know what the text is saying.

 

oke, baay undefined undefined

[Nvard]

The only 2 good songs that I heard were KARUNE and GENocide.

I heard some comments to the overprotective Dad...well..gotta hear it myself so that I can judge

 

Actually I think Amenians need more modern music.Like rock, pop, hip-hop in Armenian.

We do belong to this planet, you know

[Artur]

Agree!

[ March 10, 2001: Message edited by: Artur ]

[Pilafhead]

Yikes, Aneta! I better check that song out a little closer!!!

[a few minutes later...]
OK, I now know which one that is (I've become terrible lately with song titles).

I'll trust your opinion that lyrically it's an abomination. Musically, it isn't so hot, either. In defense of the CD, it is a collaborative effort, so maybe just Rugged Expression (the rapper/producer of that track) is the offender.

Have you heard all of it???

[ March 10, 2001: Message edited by: Aghmug ]

[Pilafhead]

Aghjigs Respond to 'Overprotective Dad'

--Written by Maria Shakelian, Talyn Mirzakhanian & Maral Kojayan --

Hye Dghaknera

 

Mamman:

Agcheegs, mdeeg ureh

Hasgutseer vor garevor eh

Kdnal dgha muh vor oonee

Harkank, khelk yev madanee

Haroost ullaneh lav gullah

Paits amena garevoruh: togh Hye ullah!

 

Aghjiga:

Lseh maireeg, yes all goozem

Shnorkov, hye, dgha muh kdnem

Paits hye dghaneruh vor guh janchnam

Eerents shoorchuh ullam-neh shad gamuchnam

 

Nakh yev arach shad hbard eh

Guh gardzeh vor takavor eh

Guh gardzeh vor badeevuh guh veeravorvee

Yeteh aghchgah hed lav varvee

 

Yerp hedus guh khosee meedkeen mech meg pan

gah

Hedus ullaloo eencher guh khosdanah

"gllam seerov, vsdahelee, yev havadareem"

Paits achkert eenchoo ooreesh degh guh

bududeen?

 

Morut oton yerp guh kushess

Radio-een tsainuh guh partsratsness

Kezee gullah shad lav tass

Yerp hing daree-en khool tarnass

 

Pager-ut, Cellular-ut dapadet gakhvadz

Dsanrootyunuh vorut eh patsadz

Keesheruh arevagnotsut hakadz

Vosgee shughtan veezet gakhvadz

 

Nerss guh mudnass eenkzeenkut havnadz

Tegheen agranerovut eendzee guh jhubdas

Aynkan cigarette ess dskhadz

Vor agraneroot gesunen pttadz

 

Yerp kezee desnem, goozess vor haleem

Paits eeraganootyan mech, kezmeh guh kaneem

Guh gardzess vor mgan oonees

Ayt mgan cheh, paits lkhgadz meess

 

Keetud shad medz, yev marmeenut mazod

Peraned gookah basturma-ee hod

Aynkan sood guh khoseess, bedkt che

zarmanass

Eenchoo Pinocchio-een chap medz keet

goonehnass

 

Goodess koefte guh khmess oghee

Yertalen porut avelee gooree

Heduss guh khossees shad keenovtsadz

Yev achkerut all shad garmuradz

Eenchbess gurnam kezee loorchee arnel

Yerp noyneesg chess gurnar sheedag kalel?

 

Ooremun Mayrig, heemah guh dessness

Eenchoo Hye dgha tjhvar guh kdness

100-en meguh shnorkov gullah

Anor guh kdnam eesh Allah!

[TigrannesIII]

Only decent hokis song is Genocide, and since I grabbed it off of Napster, I'm not helping them out.

[Nané]

After hearing that song I was ready to break every single HOKIS CD that ever got produced. I don't think any Armenian with dignity and self-respect can listen to their music after hearing the lyrics of that horrible song.

[Nané]

Rugged Expression (I did not even know he had a name) looks like a choban Do you know what that is? A SHEPHERD !!! When I saw him at the Armenian Music Awards I got the feeling he had just walked down from the mountains !!! He is a miserable excuse for anything (including a rapper)

Now, I have not listened to the whole CD (there are better things I can do with my money) but I did listen to a few of their songs which I downloaded from Napster. The only one I sort of liked was "Garun" (it was OK). I did not like the Genocide song too much.

Is "Overprotective Dad" on the CD? If it is the AMA committee members should be shot. I can't believe they could have nominated a CD with such a song for an ARMENIAN MUSIC AWARD.

[MJ]

I haven't heard anything by them, but I am sure Sualmita is right.

[Nvard]

The "Overprotective Dad" song is disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mama jan....I did not expect a thing like that from the UK Diaspora...

[Kazza]

Hey hey guys, hold on! Would someone PLEASE give me the lyrics in english , then I'll understand why everyone is getting so mad! Then I might even give MY opinion..

[armeniangirl83]

Jes, kazza is right, i will also give mine opinion when anybody the songs says in english!

Oke baay

[Kazza]

Hye,

 

I am still trying to find the lyrics online in English...it is definatley not easy. But I've left this link to keep you amused until I find them.

 

I think It would either be good to read the lyrics in english, I hvae heard it is the most controversial song in the album. There's nothing wrong with controversy. Then I can discuss them with you...otherwise I can contribute!

 

Half Breed where are your armenian lessons when I need ??

http://www.hokis.co.uk/Features/02_01_01_H...nera_Lyrics.htm

[shiner]

In most cases, unless you live in a place heavily populated by Armenians, you will have to desire and make somewhat of an effort to marry an Armenian (it is not likely to happen by pure coincidence). The desire to specifically marry an Armenian, in most cases, is driven by love of Armenian culture, thinking that a similar cultural background will improve chances of getting along and understanding each other, a sense of belonging to the Armenian ethnicity, etc. (even though marrying an Armenian is not a necessary requirement to any of the things mentioned above). It is true that the more isolated you are from your own heritage and the less you are aware of it, the lesser are the chances of having the desire to specifically marrying an Armenian.

 

It is also true that there are many stereotypes and obstacles. That is natural. Fortunately when getting married you only have to find one person. So even if you are surrounded by negatively stereotypical Armenians, all you need is to find one that is not like that, and fits your requirements. If you are a classy person,for example, a classy odar is more likely to fit your needs than an extremely low class Armenian. But the comparison should be made between a classy Armenian and a classy odar. Even if you feel it is better to marry an Armenian, there must be other things you have in common than just that.

 

In the end it all depends on the individual.

That's just my opinion, but I think the article is trying to say the same thing (to a certain extent)unless I misinterpreted.

[Gayane]

I found it amusing how the entire discussion on Hokis drifted to the "overprotective dad" song...

 

Now, let me say that I think that Hokis as an artistic endeavor is worthless. If you don't believe me, I'll refer you to my original reaction to Hokis a few months back

 

That said, all this nationalistic fuss over the song makes me smile. I think the song correctly pinpoints the armenian fathers' collective state of denial about their daughters' sexuality. What exactly is making you all so upset? Is it the utter and complete disrespect the guys in the song have towards the girls in the song? Or is it the overt sexuality of the girls? Well, welcome to the real world, boys and girls.

 

This song is a perfect example of the effects of the repression of a woman's sexuality in our culture. Think about it. If the culture was a little more permissive of this, the girls wouldn't have to hide anything from their parents. And if the culture was a little more permissive, the guys would know they can't treat a woman like that, because then she'll have some sort of means of retaliation to being seen as a sexual object. Why do we react to this song in such a manner? I will be the first to say it's horrendous, but it's to a large extent nothing less than the truth. We need to get upset not over the fact that this is presented to us in such a distatesful manner by such low class people, but rather because it's our culture that gives rise to situations depicted in this song. Believe me, it's not Hokis' fault. It's only "art" imitating life.

[dragon]

Teyev veru nshvadz yerku lselou aritu chounetsa dagavin, payts HOKIS-in arachatradz hartseru haygagan gyankin ungerayin yeresu gu nergayatsne ir unthanroutian mech. Mishd harkelov patsaroutiunneru bedk e usel, vor haygagan-azkayin gyanku arten shadonts gorsuntsoutsadz e ir hmayku` arjanabadvoutian, badivi, partsr idealnerou, IRAGAN ARACHNORTNEROU patsagaypoutian badjarov.

 

-Hayu aysor aveli ''charchi'' e, kan azniv vajaragan.

 

-Hayu aysor aveli mageresayin e, kan khorki mart.

 

-Hay gineru aysor aveli tetevamid en, geroukhoumov, hakousd gabousdov pavararvogh, kan irents undanikin ou zavagneroun hokevor arjeknerou ajoumov.

 

-Hay dghamartig aysor aveli yesagetron ou ampardavan en, kan nvirvadz irents undanikin ou azkin. Isg yete kani mu ghroush al tram ounin, ouremn` Asdvadz okne irents tserku ingoghin...

 

-Hay harousdu aysor aveli paraser e, kan iragan parerar. Portsetsek vorpi mu, gam ousanoghi mu hamar oknoutiun khuntrel ou bidi desnek, te vorkan arkahadagan bidi ulla irents badaskhanu. Payts yete arachargek BADVO HIUR gam ORVAN NAKHAKAH ullal tsernargi mu gam barahantesi mu, anonk sirov bidi untounin` mughvadz irents parasiroutenen (teyev yerpemun al chvjarelov irents khosdatsadz koumaru, gam al payment-i veradzelov zayn...)

 

- Hay ggheraganu aysor aveli MEDZAPERAN e, kan iragan voghormadz ou oknoutian poutatsogh. Daregan yergou merelotsnerou dzkhader kahanan gaytsele ir hodu...miayn tram havakelou nbadagov. ''Hayr Mer'' mu agraneroun mechen (achgu chors goghm tartsunelov...) aba anmichabes usdatsakiri dedrag!

 

Ays poloru mas gu gazmen aysorvan hay-anmshagout mshagouytin! Ungerayin tsaver ou parker miajamanag, voronts harazad dznountneren megn al HOKISn e anbayman...

 

Yereg Paul Baghdadliann ou Pierre Shammasiann eyin, Garo, Maro, Noushig ou Ara Kekejian, aysor HOKISn e ou Aram Asadrian, Tata ou kich mun al Noune, voronk shoudov gu tarnan mer mshagoutayin arjekneru, kani vor noreru bidi kan, ayt al aveli anmagartag...

 

Tujpakhdapar, jamanagu bidi usdibe mez untounil anuntounelin, minchev ayn aden vor Mer Joghovourtu chi partsranar hay hokevor irav arjekneru knahadelou magartagin. Hos yevus knnatadoutian slaku gerta mer azkayin GHEGAVAROUTIAN...vor medz patsaga mun e sagayn...

 

OV E IRAV GHEGAVARU??? Hartsoumu arten gu bardatre inkzink.

[Nané]

Yes.



No.





Lack of taste.



Why is it horrendous Gayane? After all it is the truth according to you. And we should "not get upset over the fact that this is presented to us in such a distatesful manner by such low class people" ? Then why is it so horendous?

I reserve the right to get upset over the fact that "our culture ... gives rise to situations depicted in this song." I also reserve the right to get upset when the depiction is done in LOW CLASS. Thank you

[Gayane]

I meant it's horrendous BECAUSE it's the truth! That's what gets to me personally. Not the song itself, but the reality behind it. What I'm always trying to say and what I'm saying in this case in particular is let's look at our culture and the social forces that allow for this kind of depiction (of the truth), and focus our dissatisfaction and energy on changing the culture.

 

Getting upset over the song does nothing; pushing for change, even if it's one step at a time, does a lot. That's all I'm saying.

 

And you're welcome...

[Pilafhead]

How can you not like Karune, Dariner Antsni, or Bare Aghjig???

Karune: a good attempt at modernizing an old song. You have to at least give them credit for trying on this one.

Dariner Antsni: This is a good "slow jam" kind of song. I think this one is great.

Bare Aghjig: The way they put the modern beat behind traditional instruments is great! A whole album that sounded like this song would never leave my CD player.


Some of the songs on the CD are lame, but these three are good stuff. Something new in the very, very stale world of Armenian pop music.


Mike
Patron Of All Tastes: The Good, The Bad & The Ugly

[art]

Overprotective dad is just grotesque (new word ) The first time I heard that song I felt disgust toward Armenian girls. Most of the time I think of our beautiful girls as pure in all manners. This song could depict some girls but not all. Nice reply Sulamita jan.

[dragon]

I came accross to this article posted by HOKIS (new volume) and wanted to share it with you. Comments will be welcomed.

 

Dragon

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Let's be serious- do you see yourself with an Armenian? Does one of the qualifications for the guy or girl of your dreams happen to be that he or she is an Armo? It seems impossible to find someone who is everything you want AND Armenian. Look back at all of the people you have had a relationship with. Howmany of them were Armos? It's true; a lot of us around the world are turning to odars

when it comes to dating and the love scene. Why? Why don't all of us expect to marry an Armenian man or woman? We have to face the facts and take into consideration the blatant truth. With our community so spread throughout the Diaspora, it doesn't seem likely to date an Armo. It's easier to come across guys or girls who are the nationality of the place we live. It's likely to fall for odars when they lighly outnumber us.

Ask any Armenian girl, "How are the Armenian guys in your life?" I would bet you their clichéd automatic response would be, "What Armenian guys?" The sarcastic reply sounds so familiar. I think all us Armo girls, including myself, have heard and said that too many times to count. So where are all those sought-after, unseen Armenian guys? Well, they're somewhere. And they are readily looking for a "nice Armenian girl." It's possible that expression is even more overused. Girls say the guys are too possessive and controlling. Guys say the girls are too materialistic and gossipy.But fellow Armos, these are mostly stereotypes. Stop focusing on the negative and find the beautiful things like those "sev sev acher" and of course the incredible feeling of being with somebody who you can share your culture with!

Some people who have never even seriously thought of being with an Armenian guy

or girl consider it quite disturbing to actually be with one. The girls think that hearing guys speak in Armenian is a huge turnoff because it's like hearing their own fathers!

On the contrary, some people think it's a turn on. The sound of hayeren coming from

a guy's lips is sweet and hits the spot.

Getting further into the issue, views are very different, especially in the US for

example. This is what we know as type A: Armenian guys want a nice Armenian girl

for their future, but meanwhile they screw around with odars (for lack of better

phrasing). They say it's to respect the Armo girls as to not "ruin" them. "Ruin"? What century are we in? Some girls would rather believe that guys just can't control their physical "needs" so they go out with odar girls and convince them to put out. These odar girls have no idea that these guys have no intention of having meaningful relationships with them. They are then blamed and labeled sluts at the end for giving in. Well, of course this is not all of the guys. However, there's enough to be making a bad name for the rest of them.

Not long ago, I was enlightened with a new point of view - Type B: Armenian guys who mess around with Armenian girls and then end up marrying odars. Ok, what's better- type A or type B? It confuses the hell out of everyone. Most type A's seem to be hayastansis and most type B's seem to be spyurkahyer. Once again, there are plenty of Armenian guys who are not type A or type B. It's just that same old Mars and Venus story... From a guy's point of view, they don't want the "typical" Armo girl. The typical ones are obsessed with gossip and getting a guy with an expensive car and money falling out of their pockets. The females who aren't like those seem to be too independent-minded, and want to be domineering forces. They don't want serious

relationships, or only would because everyone is asking, "When are you going to get married?"

There's no doubt that Armenian parents pressure us to some degree to get involved

with an Armo rather than an odar. Whether you're 16 or 40, parents would internally

jump for joy if they know that you were going out with an Armenian. For those of us

who don't see what the big deal is, it makes no difference what they want. If you don't

value the Armenian culture, there's no way you're going to end up with an Armo.

Fortunately, there are many of us who actually hold high the meaning and significance of being with someone of our culture. Especially after having an at least semi-serious relationship with an Armo, it's hard to turn back. This is because you have gotten a taste of how priceless it is to be able to connect with someone on a cultural level when you're going out with them. Odars then seem a little bit like strangers in your eyes. It must be admitted that it becomes more difficult to bring oneself to fall for an odar after that. An absence is felt - most say - and there's a loss of connection with the person.

However, one bad experience with an Armo can turn someone off completely of having further relationships with Armenians. An unpleasant episode can surely scar someone and lead him or her to swear off of Armos. How many of the marriages you hear about lately are Armo-Armo? Mostly, it's Armo-odar. That's just the way it seems. It's also true that the longer your family has been living away from Armenia, the more likely it is that you'll date an odar. If you're the first or second generation, then there's a much higher chance of having your heart set on a dreamy Armenian man or woman. That may be the reason why so many more spyurkahyes rather than

hayastansis get occupied with odars.

One thing for sure is that Armos' views on the subject vary greatly from one person to

the next. Guys see it differently from girls, spyurkahyes from hayastansis, generation

from generation. Some of us think being with an Armo is the greatest thing, while others debate that it's just as good if they date an odar. Perhaps the best (and only) thing to do in this situation is whatever tickles your fancy. Feel more comfortable with an odar? Then that's your thing. Prefer an Armo? Then by all means, go for it!

Why not put your views across on this topic on the Hokis Discussion board?